2010-07-13, 15:37 | Link #3022 |
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I was surprised by the fact Kyrie had a dark side to her and the fact she was jealous enough to kill Asumu surprised me. Another thing out of all the other surprising things is that how Kannon rescued Battler than... yeah... but there is one thing I don't understand, it's that why was Battler so naive and overconfident? He underestimated the cruelty of Erika (again) and what happened to the elder beato.....
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2010-07-13, 15:38 | Link #3023 |
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Well, there are basically two theories on that:
1) He is incompetent, and too nice for his own good. 2) He fell for it on purpose for Beato's sake. As to the elder Beatrice, she, uh... disappears entirely from the narrative. Your guess is as good as mine!
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2010-07-13, 15:43 | Link #3025 |
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Isn't it... implied that Elder Beatrice had successfully connected with Moetrice in the end scene? From the fact that Beatrice regained her old expression set?
Battler supposedly gave her the tape to make up for the "disadvantage" of her not making a detective proclamation. As it turned out, not a disadvantage at all... Although it suggests that the best strategy in the game would be to immediately kill everyone before committing suicide, so there's no way for the witch to make any impossible murders :/. |
2010-07-13, 15:48 | Link #3026 |
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Well Battler could've prevented everything by including Erika in this red. Krauss, Rudolf, Hideyoshi, and Gohda were not involved the the murders of the six people
And the Blue Erika gave was basically that after discovering the corpses somebody killed them after breaking the closed room. She never said who did that. So as far as I'm concerned there is no way Battler didn't know Erika could've been one of the people who could do that. So then the only explanation I can think of is that he purposely left Erika's name out of the red. But he wouldn't do that he if he was suspecting a detective's proclamation.
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2010-07-13, 15:56 | Link #3028 | |
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Speaking of timing, Kyrie, Battler and company.
So did Battler attend the 1980 conference or not?...
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2010-07-13, 15:59 | Link #3030 | |
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Everyone who accepts Shkanon must accept the possibility of Battler essentially lying to himself or he is aware that someone is listening to his thoughts and wants to fool them. Or is there a better explanation for this?
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2010-07-13, 16:04 | Link #3031 | |
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It seems pretty apparent what happened, but it's somewhat unusual that it wasn't shown. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but Big Beato just sort of poofs without so much as a disappearance cutaway.
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2010-07-13, 16:04 | Link #3032 | ||
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A possible explanation is that his thoughts were written in by Hachijo, who still doesn't know how about the Shkannon thing. And, however silly the theory I proposed earlier is... I can't think of any other way for Kanon to vanish into thin air. |
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2010-07-13, 16:13 | Link #3034 | |
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EDIT: Well you could argue Erika's seals, but that doesn't really prevent murders it just fabricates an alibi where there wasn't one before, and Erika admits that herself.
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2010-07-13, 16:15 | Link #3035 |
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I actually think they weren't supposed to become one in the first place, but would remain as a team forever. Hence the separate existence of Dress-Beato and Suit-Beato in EP2 and EP4. Both Beatos were "reset", so they weren't aware of this.
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2010-07-13, 16:30 | Link #3036 | ||
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He could've wrongly assumed that, fundamentally, the detective was opposed to the murderer in this way. And I thought suit-Beato represented a Beatrice who was actually being observed, or at least who was being claimed to be observed. As in, the "19th guest" who was supposedly in episode 2. Come to think of it, who the HELL invented this 19th guest? I mean... it must've been on Krauss and Natsuhi's orders, right? |
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2010-07-13, 16:42 | Link #3038 |
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The "19th Guest" does benefit Krauss and Natsuhi in ep2, as it deflects the angle of attack. On the other hand, at some point her identity has to come to light, and at that point it doesn't benefit her at all. Furthermore, if we believe the chapel confrontation happened, she remained commandingly in control of everyone including Krauss. So her position is apparently not greatly subordinate to his at that time.
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2010-07-13, 16:42 | Link #3039 | |
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Notice Battler never sees or interacts with Sister Beato once, even in scenes she was supposedly in and was never shown leaving. Like the cookie scene. She was there and even complained about having to make cookies for Battler right before Battler showed up. Why would she have to make him cookies in the first place if they were completely separate entities? Nevermind Kumasawa and everyone else acting like Moeto was the only one that made them...
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2010-07-13, 16:47 | Link #3040 |
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That's possible as well; I just don't think they ever were supposed to "unify" in the sense they talk about in EP6. If they were always two sides of the same person, that's acceptable, but in that case I think the original Beato also had these two sides.
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