(L) Freezing [Manga]

[Panzerklein]

Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

There were three Novas that attacked the Alaskan base. The first one was Amelia and the Maria clones combine after Amelia went berserk. The other two were created from Chevaliers and Students after their stigmas went out of control due to Amelia going berserk. Remember, all of these Novas never came from the Nova Dimension.

As for the E-Pandoras, they were already defeated by the Chevaliers by the time Amelia became a Nova.

Ask I said "Nova is Nova, no mater where are they come from or made from, but they only share same goal, because even when they are combined from many clones but they are really aim the research facility and project. ". When the clones, students, che-pandoras turn to massive Nova, they're no Nova, and they share same goald and target, they not attack randomly. Ex: Lana and Saterlite, after lost self-control, they target Chiffon but not Aoi or Chiffon's partner, and all massive Novas attack Research Facility, not spam beam on pandoras randomly.

[Azure-Priest]

Originally Posted by Panzerklein

Ask I said "Nova is Nova, no mater where are they come from or made from, but they only share same goal, because even when they are combined from many clones but they are really aim the research facility and project. ". When the clones, students, che-pandoras turn to massive Nova, they're no Nova, and they share same goald and target, they not attack randomly. Ex: Lana and Saterlite, after lost self-control, they target Chiffon but not Aoi or Chiffon's partner, and all massive Novas attack Research Facility, not spam beam on pandoras randomly.

We can NOT be certain the e-pandora "Nova" have the same, or even similar goals.

The TRUE intentions of actual Nova are not known. All we know for certain is when they show up, they kick up a lot of dust, cause major damage, and people die.

Just because the "NOVA" in this current arc had similar abilities to actual NOVA does not mean they are the same thing, unless you want to say EVERYONE who puts on a blue outfit and drives around in a car with red and blue lights is an actual police officer, and we know that's not true.

As for all the Kazuya hate, I've seen recently.

It seems some people have, like many anime and manga characters, conveniently forgotten the large mallet which keeps hitting them on the head. The following are points the author has been hammering on us since page 1.

1.) Limiters get no combat training of any kind. They have one role and one role only, temporarily negate a Nova's "freezing" field so the Pandora can move and fight.

2.) Kazuya is a novice of novices. Not only is he a "first year" Genetics "student," but he's been exceptionally unlucky in the fact that so much has happened to interrupt his OFFICIAL powers training, and has had to learn everything "on the fly."

3.) Limiters like pandora, have a certain "synch" ratio with their stigma. The higher they synch, or the more stigma they have, the higher their power level, but the greater the strain on their bodies, and the higher the risk inherent to using their powers. Kazuya's body is made up almost entirely of stigma. The drawback from using his powers has been so immense it hospitalized him on several occasions.

In fact, it's a minor miracle that this arc hasn't put him in a coma already.

As for Kazuya running to go meet his grandfather...

HELLO! WARZONE! Gendo Aoi has a great many lives in his hands right now, he can't just drop everything to go see his grandson. It would also be extremely IMMATURE for Kazuya to abandon both Stella and Lala, IN COMBAT, to go see Gendo, unless Kazuya was specifically ordered to do so. Kazuya's place is watching their backs, providing support, and that's what he's doing.

[Alhazad2003]

Spoiler:

In other news, the next issue of Comic Valkyrie will have up to chapter 100 of Freezing, if not more. Five new characters will appear, shown here: http://forums.mangafox.me/attachment...9&d=1337404893 I'm betting one of them will become Ticy's vice-president while at least one will join Team Arnett. And the school will move into summer uniforms, which means more fanservice for us. ^^;;

On a more serious note, with the debacle of the E-Pandora project, another Anti-Nova program has risen in its place. It's the Valkyrie project, which was originally shelved by Dr. Aoi in favor of the Pandora project over forty years before. Who's starting it up, and how'd they find out about it? Can't wait to find out myself. Until then...

[faiz blaster]

^Can't see anything from the link above.

[Mura]

Originally Posted by Alhazad2003

Spoiler:

In other news, the next issue of Comic Valkyrie will have up to chapter 100 of Freezing, if not more. Five new characters will appear, shown here: http://forums.mangafox.me/attachment...9&d=1337404893 I'm betting one of them will become Ticy's vice-president while at least one will join Team Arnett. And the school will move into summer uniforms, which means more fanservice for us. ^^;;

On a more serious note, with the debacle of the E-Pandora project, another Anti-Nova program has risen in its place. It's the Valkyrie project, which was originally shelved by Dr. Aoi in favor of the Pandora project over forty years before. Who's starting it up, and how'd they find out about it? Can't wait to find out myself. Until then...

Damn, their faces are blacked out so its hard to tell anything from about them. Valkyrie project sounds interesting as well.

[vg166]

Originally Posted by Alhazad2003

Spoiler:

In other news, the next issue of Comic Valkyrie will have up to chapter 100 of Freezing, if not more. Five new characters will appear, shown here: http://forums.mangafox.me/attachment...9&d=1337404893 I'm betting one of them will become Ticy's vice-president while at least one will join Team Arnett. And the school will move into summer uniforms, which means more fanservice for us. ^^;;

On a more serious note, with the debacle of the E-Pandora project, another Anti-Nova program has risen in its place. It's the Valkyrie project, which was originally shelved by Dr. Aoi in favor of the Pandora project over forty years before. Who's starting it up, and how'd they find out about it? Can't wait to find out myself. Until then...

Spoiler for Spoiler for the new twist:

Back in Chapter 93, Dr. Aoi and Satellizer's father were plotting something to take over Chevaliers. I wouldn't be surprised if Valkyrie is what they're using to get control, since we know Satellizer's father knows about it.

At least Dr. Aoi is now doing something that might stop the Novas.

[germanturkey]

that's a bit fast. "lets transition from killing one of the major characters into new characters and fanservice." screw you.

[Mura]

Originally Posted by germanturkey

that's a bit fast. "lets transition from killing one of the major characters into new characters and fanservice." screw you.

I hope there is gonna be a proper funeral for Chiffon before going to the next arc at least.

[surerman]

Originally Posted by Mura

I hope there is gonna be a proper funeral for Chiffon before going to the next arc at least.

Uhm, a soldier supposed to die in the battle field and Chiffon achieve that, is that not satisfactory?

She even blown off to smithereen and scattered like a glowing snow shower to make some cleaning service personnel some job to do

I think its good enough (this is my honest and neutral opinion, and I'm aware some may think this is irritating, but no ill intention here)

[Azure-Priest]

Originally Posted by surerman

Uhm, a soldier supposed to die in the battle field and Chiffon achieve that, is that not satisfactory?

She even blown off to smithereen and scattered like a glowing snow shower to make some cleaning service personnel some job to do

I think its good enough (this is my honest and neutral opinion, and I'm aware some may think this is irritating, but no ill intention here)

Sadly, no it's not satisfactory.

When a soldier goes WAY above the line of duty and gives her life protecting friends, family, country, world like that she deserves not just a funeral but a huge freaking memorial.

If Chiffon doesn't get any of these things, then it will be a serious "F-U" from Chevalier and both branches of Genetics will revolt to the last Pandora plus there's no way even Chevalier can keep this quiet. So give Chiffon the service due, or else.

[surerman]

Originally Posted by Azure-Priest

Sadly, no it's not satisfactory.

When a soldier goes WAY above the line of duty and gives her life protecting friends, family, country, world like that she deserves not just a funeral but a huge freaking memorial.

If Chiffon doesn't get any of these things, then it will be a serious "F-U" from Chevalier and both branches of Genetics will revolt to the last Pandora plus there's no way even Chevalier can keep this quiet. So give Chiffon the service due, or else.

let see:
Maria Lancelot:
- Mother of all PANDORA,
- died saving Humanity,
- introduced weapon to fend off NOVA
- Died in battlefield against NOVA
- Cloned, with the last of them is in Oohara lab
didn't have huge memorial

Kazuha Aoi:
- Designated with Outstanding Service
- hold a feast no one can achieve till Kazuya timeline (hold 21 stigma)
- Grand daughter of Top Researcher for PANDORA
- create Anti NOVA high skill (which Chiffon also use)
- genuine human, no clone what so ever (may be Gengo use his card)
- died in battlefield against NOVA
didn't have huge memorial

Chiffon fairchild:
- Identified as Monster
- a clone of Maria Lancelott (??)
- Died in battlefield against former PANDORA
- .....
- .....
.....so....why she deserve memorial?, she's not that special what so ever, aside from her brute strength, and her other clone sister probably already in the making process in some lab. tube

if there's one, I think Kazuha more deserve it *look at the Freezing : Zero first 3 page*

[MrTerrorist]

Ok, thats it! I always ignore your absurd posts but this time i can't ignore it. I am sick and tired of your one-sided bias hatred of Chiffon all because she fought against Satella and Lana. Your just like that poster at the Break Blade thread that keeps saying absurd things that are not true and have no proof that the character Rygart was being used by his friends.

Your post claimed Chiffon did nothing good in her life when in truth she did and you choose to ignore it due to your bias hatred against her so let me recap of all of the good things she did:

*Chiffon was Ticy first true friend as she never judge her and refuse to join Felice Mojave and her clique's since Felice treated Ticy like a slave and even when she was warn she would become Felice's enemy.
*Chiffon knew Ticy was using a spy camera on her but she forgive her because she knew Ticy didn't want to do this and was being used.
*Chiffon continued to defend Ticy during her first Carnival after Felice and her clique gang up on Ticy and ask that they apologize to Ticy for killing her pet turtle. And when they refuse, Chiffon gave them a world full of hurt and pain as punishment on what they did to Ticy.
*When she was in full battle mode and almost kill Arnett, she willingly stop when Ticy beg her to be the kind Chiffon she knew and loved.
*When she became the Student Council President at West Genetics and there was a problem with Satella, instead of beating her just like the other 3rd years, Chiffon instead choose to talk to Satella to diffuse the situation since she knew it was wrong to punish Satella and talking with her was the only way to calm her.
*She and Ticy came to Satella and Lana after they got caught with a fight with Arnett and Cleo and use minimal force to subdue Arnett after she refused to back off. Later, she told Elizabeth to stop ganging up on Satella.
*When the Nova Forms attacked West Genetics and a Nova Formed Milena reached Maria Lancelot's body, Chiffon and Ticy stop and defeated Milena.
*During the E-Pandora rebellion, Chiffon didn't join Amelia's rebels or the Spencer's Chevaliers, instead, she choose to be neutral and was trying to make her fellow classmates to do the same. When Satella and Lana refused, she had to forcefully subdue them for their own sake. If she really was siding with the Chevaliers as you claim then why didn't she stop Amelia in the first place? She has faster speed than her and could have easily knock Amelia down but instead she tried to talk to her.
*When she was confronted by Amelia's spirit after she turned into a Nova, she calmly told Amelia not to let her hatred against the corrupt Spencer and Dr. Ohara let her do something that she would regret as Chiffon knew and hated how the corrupt bully the weak and helpless.
*When Amelia went berserk and tried to blow up the Alaskan base, rather than follow Professor Gengo's orders to head to the shelters, she chose by her own accord to go and stop Amelia's explosion even if it cost her her life. Not only did she saved her fellow classmates that she cares, she also saved other innocents like the international Pandora students, innocent Chevaliers that had nothing to do with Spencer or were with Professor Gengo, the staff working there and even the E-Pandoras. Yes, surerman. You claim Amelia friends were dead when in fact they are still alive and if Chiffon hadn't stop her, Amelia would have unintentionally killed her friends due to her blind rage.
*And finally Chiffon still kept her promise to her mother to always smile even in her final moments as she still believe in the good within all people.

With the things she done, Chiffon was no monster but a true hero who always protected the people she cared.

[Seitsuki]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

posters like surerman is why the Ignore list exist.

And I don't feel like I'm missing anything at all.

[surerman]

Originally Posted by Seitsuki

And I don't feel like I'm missing anything at all.

ah! positive attitude I like it keep it bro!

Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

Ok, thats it! I always ignore your absurd posts but this time i can't ignore it. I am sick and tired of your one-sided bias hatred of Chiffon all because she fought against Satella and Lana. Your just like that poster at the Break Blade thread that keeps saying absurd things that are not true and have no proof that the character Rygart was being used by his friends.

Your post claimed Chiffon did nothing good in her life when in truth she did and you choose to ignore it due to your bias hatred against her so let me recap of all of the good things she did:

*Chiffon was Ticy first true friend as she never judge her and refuse to join Felice Mojave and her clique's since Felice treated Ticy like a slave and even when she was warn she would become Felice's enemy.
*Chiffon knew Ticy was using a spy camera on her but she forgive her because she knew Ticy didn't want to do this and was being used.
*Chiffon continued to defend Ticy during her first Carnival after Felice and her clique gang up on Ticy and ask that they apologize to Ticy for killing her pet turtle. And when they refuse, Chiffon gave them a world full of hurt and pain as punishment on what they did to Ticy.
*When she was in full battle mode and almost kill Arnett, she willingly stop when Ticy beg her to be the kind Chiffon she knew and loved.
*When she became the Student Council President at West Genetics and there was a problem with Satella, instead of beating her just like the other 3rd years, Chiffon instead choose to talk to Satella to diffuse the situation since she knew it was wrong to punish Satella and talking with her was the only way to calm her.
*She and Ticy came to Satella and Lana after they got caught with a fight with Arnett and Cleo and use minimal force to subdue Arnett after she refused to back off. Later, she told Elizabeth to stop ganging up on Satella.
*When the Nova Forms attacked West Genetics and a Nova Formed Milena reached Maria Lancelot's body, Chiffon and Ticy stop and defeated Milena.
*During the E-Pandora rebellion, Chiffon didn't join Amelia's rebels or the Spencer's Chevaliers, instead, she choose to be neutral and was trying to make her fellow classmates to do the same. When Satella and Lana refused, she had to forcefully subdue them for their own sake. If she really was siding with the Chevaliers as you claim then why didn't she stop Amelia in the first place? She has faster speed than her and could have easily knock Amelia down but instead she tried to talk to her.
*When she was confronted by Amelia's spirit after she turned into a Nova, she calmly told Amelia not to let her hatred against the corrupt Spencer and Dr. Ohara let her do something that she would regret as Chiffon knew and hated how the corrupt bully the weak and helpless.
*When Amelia went berserk and tried to blow up the Alaskan base, rather than follow Professor Gengo's orders to head to the shelters, she chose by her own accord to go and stop Amelia's explosion even if it cost her her life. Not only did she saved her fellow classmates that she cares, she also saved other innocents like the international Pandora students, innocent Chevaliers that had nothing to do with Spencer or were with Professor Gengo, the staff working there and even the E-Pandoras. Yes, surerman. You claim Amelia friends were dead when in fact they are still alive and if Chiffon hadn't stop her, Amelia would have unintentionally killed her friends due to her blind rage.
*And finally Chiffon still kept her promise to her mother to always smile even in her final moments as she still believe in the good within all people.

With the things she done, Chiffon was no monster but a true hero who always protected the people she cared.

wow! some one hot here wahahahahaha

btw,
all of that just a little scale, I don't see it fit to be reasons people build a memorial for Chiffon.

My post earlier because some one describe Chiffon like some top heroines that do something big....I mean BIG
if what Chiffon done is already categorized as something BIG, I wonder how many memorial will exist for other previous soldier that died before this clone even created in the tube

Even NOVA more deserve memorial than Chiffon, for their act make humans around the globe united to fend them off (indicated by GENETICS branch from 3 big continent). Now that's what you can call "BIG"...and deserve memorial thingy

did my post offend you?
please forgive me okay
if you can't, you can come to this Killers Special Mobile Prison anytime to try to kill me.
We can tear each other limbs freely here like PANDORA way

[konart]

Spoiler for Ticy:

omg, lol is that some sort of Dark Chiffon?

[Azure-Priest]

Originally Posted by surerman

let see:
Maria Lancelot:
- Mother of all PANDORA,
- died saving Humanity,
- introduced weapon to fend off NOVA
- Died in battlefield against NOVA
- Cloned, with the last of them is in Oohara lab
didn't have huge memorial

Kazuha Aoi:
- Designated with Outstanding Service
- hold a feast no one can achieve till Kazuya timeline (hold 21 stigma)
- Grand daughter of Top Researcher for PANDORA
- create Anti NOVA high skill (which Chiffon also use)
- genuine human, no clone what so ever (may be Gengo use his card)
- died in battlefield against NOVA
didn't have huge memorial

Chiffon fairchild:
- Identified as Monster
- a clone of Maria Lancelott (??)
- Died in battlefield against former PANDORA
- .....
- .....
.....so....why she deserve memorial?, she's not that special what so ever, aside from her brute strength, and her other clone sister probably already in the making process in some lab. tube

if there's one, I think Kazuha more deserve it *look at the Freezing : Zero first 3 page*

Yes they did. Maria had not one, but TWO entire schools built in her name.

Kazuha, had entire parades and funeral services. (Memorials are not always physical objects.)

As for your hateful bias against Chiffon, Mr. Terrorist says it better than me.

[surerman]

Originally Posted by Azure-Priest

Yes they did. Maria had not one, but TWO entire schools built in her name.

Kazuha, had entire parades and funeral services. (Memorials are not always physical objects.)

As for your hateful bias against Chiffon, Mr. Terrorist says it better than me.

Honestly, I still don't understand why people in this thread make that conclusion
May be they too intoxicated by Chiffon charm so didn't see her stupidity?

..eah!what ever!

I'll kill some prisoner first before posting another comment!

*looking around for victims*
dammit! every one running away when they see me

[Alhazad2003]

Originally Posted by konart

Spoiler for Ticy:

omg, lol is that some sort of Dark Chiffon?

Spoiler:

I'd say she's desperately trying to keep Chiffon's legacy alive, but she's doing it the wrong way. Think about it, Chiffon was an artificial being with no emotions, bred to be the ultimate Pandora. Through her experiences with Ticy, she learned how to act like a human, and praised her for it just before her death. And now Ticy, who was born human and raised to act like one despite being a Pandora, is now acting like a Monster. Satellizer wanted to thank her for her victory over Arnett, and Ticy walked past her and actually threatened to punish her if she caused trouble.

And remember, Chiffon had Ticy, so she had someone to confide in. Ticy now has no one, who did she trust besides Chiffon? If she trusted no one, then that would explain a lot about her attitude change, trying to do everything herself, relying on no one. Elizabeth used to be like that, until she asked for Chiffon's help to assist the E-Pandora's plight. Who will Ticy ask, if anyone? Can't wait to find out.

[Yorae_paladin1]

Poor Ticy. She has no friends

[Azure-Priest]

Originally Posted by surerman

Honestly, I still don't understand why people in this thread make that conclusion
May be they too intoxicated by Chiffon charm so didn't see her stupidity?

Maybe your stupidity is keeping you from seeing how HATEFUL comments like that are?

Originally Posted by surerman

I'll kill some prisoner first before posting another comment!

*looking around for victims*
dammit! every one running away when they see me

So stupid AND delusional. :evil: