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Spoiler for Touma and Fiamma´s fight...:
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The small fragment of "IB power" that remained in the arm that Fiamma stole, obeyed the will of it´s source and returned to Touma... in essence that´s what happened when Touma grew back his arm, the residual power on the stolen arm felt the presence of it´s true host and returned to it´s rightful place. Quote:
There are many types of heroes: everyday hero, anti-hero, useless hero, unexpected hero, dark hero, valiant hero, a not so heroic hero, true hero... Ultimately, a "Hero" is no more than someone who by his own will (even if moved by circumstances, in the end he is the one that chooses what to do and how to do so...), stands up and fights to protect and realize his convictions... but even that, is not something so over the top: a single mother that raises her children all the way to the university, a working man that everyday brings food to the table for his family, a doctor that helps a patient walk once more... all of those are "everyday´s heroes", it just happens that most of us are being deluded by the most common type of hero : "The Epic Hero", you know the one that slays dragons, saves damsels in distress, fights gods and conquers the world... ; hell, Kamachi is a hero that dispels writer´s blocks and bring us more and more of the amazing world of Toaru,xD. Now in Touma´s case (I will refer to the Touma before of the memory wipe as "the first" and after memory wipe as "the second"), the first Touma, just like you said is reluctant to do so but in the end by his won will he accepts his role as the main character in stage to save Index, isn´t this someone who accepts his role as a hero? ...the second Touma on the other hand, time and time again denies others view of him as a hero, he even goes as far as saying that he "fights for himself" and deny the need of heroes, you don´t need special reasons to do what you yourself truly want to do ...In fact this is quite a "heroic mindset", but the main point is the difference in values: the first recognizes his role as a hero and though with reluctance, he embraces it; the second on the other hand, sees no need of heroes, he just does whatever he himself feels is the best to protect what is important to him (sounds similar but theres a definite difference). |
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2011-06-14, 07:32 | Link #11224 | |
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2011-06-14, 09:28 | Link #11225 | ||
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This is great; before the topic of 'heroes' became recognized as an important part of Index discussion, the only thing people ever seriously talk about Touma were speculations on Imagine Breaker- few people actually analysed him and his actions.
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In any case, Kamachi's view of a hero is one that is decisive and never be distracted from minor issues, He would never see himself as anything great, and he's the one that would finish the job. But more importantly; as a hero, nobody really cares if you defeated the big bad boss or save the Planet from destruction or even if you brought about World peace. In Anime the most heroic deed any male character can do is to rescue the girl... Preferably from being sacrificed... Or a wedding... Either way works. Quote:
Of course now we know that there's something else in him, but that doesn't change anything imo because what the Author is getting at is that Touma's character is not defined by the power he wields. I don't know why it has taken me so long to realized this; if Touma was only able to do what he does because he had Imagine Breaker, then in situations where Imagine Breaker is useless, he wouldn't be able to do what he does- But that's not the case isn't it? Time and time again he proves that even if he can't use his power, he's still going to do what needs to be do. And that's something more heroic than a powerful character that can defeat armies. Kamachi tried to instill the same values into Mikoto, as we have seen with Railgun, but he has never given her a chance to back up her words. She has never been in a dangerous situation where she is only a 'normal' girl... And succeed even without her powers. But Touma isn't a perfect hero... Not yet at least... Because Kamachi has forgotten the basic rule and that is every Hero needs a perfect Villain; Someone who is his mirror opposite, the ideal foil, the one that matches him in every way and for god sake won't become his friend or rival =_=
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Touma didn't negated the attack as if he had the IB he cut it into a half, if its a "residual power" then Fiamma would never had to release a large amount of his power output to overwhelm it. |
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2011-06-14, 09:35 | Link #11227 | |
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2011-06-14, 09:47 | Link #11228 | |
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Aureolus Izzard, what happens if he wasn't able to save Index? Accelerator, what happens if he never had a loving family? Hamazura Shiage, what happens if he had given up and blamed others? Quote:
...Or maybe Animes just aren't used to the idea of the perfect villain? It's usually just strong rivalry.
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If you put it on a scale 1-10 it would be like this: 1 - offensive (not counting the on hit KO here) 8 - supportive (dispels anything, but can't do boost, nor heal) 9 - defensive (blocks everything supernatural, but not normal attacks) overall - 6 (not that bad) Quote:
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But I agree, he needs an enemy he is unable to beat, it would make thinghts more interesting. (Not counting Kanzaki, Aqua, Tsuchimikado and other not-really-villains here) |
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Kamachi makes it very clear; no points for half-done jobs. In the end she still uses her powers to win. Quote:
Touma's ideal villain has to be a normal human.
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Fiamma resembles Touma more than his others eventual enemies, heck even both sounds similar, I hope to see this lonely guy returning as a main character and as Touma's main rival, doesn't need to be a villain. Also it will add fun seeing Accelerator going jealous that his ideal hero's rival isn't Accelerator himself .
Accelerator wanted redemption and met Last Order at the begin of his path, Touma has various people he can call a friend, Shiage stood by himself and even got a girlfriend, but... Fiamma sure is now the most lonely person in this world... |
2011-06-14, 10:19 | Link #11233 | |
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As for Fiamma, while that is true and like you said is not a proper medium, it could be something like it feels more natural to him to move his arm in order to "visualize" the movement of the Third Arm... when Aleister cut of his right arm, it may have been a bit unstable(though, it was originally like that), but he could still use it, though he lost miserably,xD. |
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2011-06-14, 10:22 | Link #11234 | ||
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What about Aleister - maybe he wants to become an esper, but can't because human brain stops evolving after 20 years of life. NOTE: magicians don't really have powers, they borrow it from other beings, only espers have power coming from their body. |
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1. The "invisible thing". 2. Touma's real power which is greater than 1 enough to crush it. 3. IB which acts as a lock for 2 while is restraining 1. Quote:
At certain point they don't so anymore and just use different rules for thei own power. |
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talking again about the topic of fiamma using blood as a medium you can say that touma did the same thing in deep blood arc when he loses his arm because of izzard, and that would be a thing that touma and fiamma are similar regarding their right hands
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