(CR) 86 TV anime

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by Arya

So, among all the other things Shin undertaker duty apparently is not just keep the dog tags, but it's far more heavy, he has to make sure Legion doesn't recover the brains of the dead soldiers. But he didn't manage to accomplish it with Kaie, much to his surprise. They asked him if he didn't torch her together with the Juggernaut. Headshot probably is not enough.

This is more iffy translation. The sentence with the burning was a general statement not a question to Shin. Shin never managed to properly retrieve Kaie, respective make sure her brain could not be used by the Legion due to the location where Kaie fell - marshy terrain. That's why the Spearhead squadron tried to just destroy the Juggernaut with her remains from distance, hence, the torching part.

Originally Posted by Arya

The republic needs to have some good hidden agenda, since as of now they look quite retarded as already mentioned. The 2 years deadline date felt already quite unrealistic to begin with, and in fact it was completely BS.

Actually, from their side it makes sense. From what they have seen of the Legion their central processing unit is set to break down over time - which is factually correct, hence, the need for the Legion to "procure" alternative means. This, in their eyes, is further supported by the fact that the number front line Legion units have dropped sharply over the past few years, which they assume is because older model Legion whose central processing unit broke down have gone out of service. So there is just not much reason for them to doubt their prediction. Sort of a confirmation bias.

[Arya]

Originally Posted by Kakurin

This is more iffy translation. The sentence with the burning was a general statement not a question to Shin. Shin never managed to properly retrieve Kaie, respective make sure her brain could not be used by the Legion due to the location where Kaie fell - marshy terrain. That's why the Spearhead squadron tried to just destroy the Juggernaut with her remains from distance, hence, the torching part.

Thanks, got it. So they couldn't get to Kaie location. I'd say that such a chance, to not be retrieved / obliterated should count when planning tactics, good that now they have maps to ground them on.

Originally Posted by Kakurin

Actually, from their side it makes sense. From what they have seen of the Legion their central processing unit is set to break down over time - which is factually correct, hence, the need for the Legion to "procure" alternative means. This, in their eyes, is further supported by the fact that the number front line Legion units have dropped sharply over the past few years, which they assume is because older model Legion whose central processing unit broke down have gone out of service. So there is just not much reason for them to doubt their prediction. Sort of a confirmation bias.

I got it that it makes sense, still I'd like to have a more proactive faction. The fact that they are bad, racists and whatnot doesn't mean they have also to be so shortsighted. In any case I hope there's more than the eye can see.

[Last Sinner]

This occurred to me after seeing Episode 5.

Spoiler for Potential twist after ep 5:

Things seem to imply that Shin's brother probably had his brain harvested and used by Legion. Which distracted from the possibility that this also could have happened to Lena's father, given it was unlikely Shin's brother could have retrieved her father's corpse.

Have not read any LN and am not planning to until this first season is over, so if you do reply, no LN spoilers please.

[Frontier]

Originally Posted by Last Sinner

This occurred to me after seeing Episode 5.

Spoiler for Potential twist after ep 5:

Things seem to imply that Shin's brother probably had his brain harvested and used by Legion. Which distracted from the possibility that this also could have happened to Lena's father, given it was unlikely Shin's brother could have retrieved her father's corpse.

Have not read any LN and am not planning to until this first season is over, so if you do reply, no LN spoilers please.

Spoiler:

I doubt Rei even knew how important it was to make sure the Legion didn't recover the bodies/brains since it seems like only Spearhead is aware of what the Legion is doing thanks to Shin.

It didn't seem to dawn on Lena what could have happened to her father. I guess because of how long ago it was?

[sierra117]

Originally Posted by Frontier

Spoiler:

I doubt Rei even knew how important it was to make sure the Legion didn't recover the bodies/brains since it seems like only Spearhead is aware of what the Legion is doing thanks to Shin.

It didn't seem to dawn on Lena what could have happened to her father. I guess because of how long ago it was?

Spoiler for Brain harvesting:

The brain harvesting should be common knowledge among 86s and not just SS, considering that the Legion are attacking on several fronts and they don’t exactly subtle about harvesting human brain

[Frontier]

Originally Posted by sierra117

Spoiler for Brain harvesting:

The brain harvesting should be common knowledge among 86s and not just SS, considering that the Legion are attacking on several fronts and they don’t exactly subtle about harvesting human brain

Spoiler:

I mean, I guess they could be seeing what happened to their comrades' bodies but I'm not sure if they could know for sure without someone who can hear the Legion's voices to recognize what they're doing.

[sierra117]

Originally Posted by Frontier

Spoiler:

I mean, I guess they could be seeing what happened to their comrades' bodies but I'm not sure if they could know for sure without someone who can hear the Legion's voices to recognize what they're doing.

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Iirc it was implied that Black Sheeps combat patterns are significantly different and more advanced than normal sheeps, and just hearing Legion “voice” shouldn’t be enough to identify something as black sheeps or shepherd unless they experienced fighting those directly

[Frontier]

Originally Posted by sierra117

Spoiler for :

Iirc it was implied that Black Sheeps combat patterns are significantly different and more advanced than normal sheeps, and just hearing Legion “voice” shouldn’t be enough to identify something as black sheeps or shepherd unless they experienced fighting those directly

Spoiler:

I think they would probably notice a Legion that's acting different or more effectively, although I think the only way they would know they're a Black Sheep (or that Black Sheep even exist) is through Shin since he can 100% recognize them through their voice.

[sierra117]

Originally Posted by Frontier

Spoiler:

I think they would probably notice a Legion that's acting different or more effectively, although I think the only way they would know they're a Black Sheep (or that Black Sheep even exist) is through Shin since he can 100% recognize them through their voice.

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Plus Shin had previously active on various fronts before he was transferred to SS, so members of those squads should also aware of that and spread the information to other squads

[Frontier]

Originally Posted by sierra117

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Plus Shin had previously active on various fronts before he was transferred to SS, so members of those squads should also aware of that and spread the information to other squads

Yeah, that makes sense .

[gecd]

eeerrr
do you guys have to use the spoiler tags

anyway the lack of 86 fanart infuriating me

[Arya]

Originally Posted by Last Sinner

This occurred to me after seeing Episode 5.

Spoiler for Potential twist after ep 5:

Things seem to imply that Shin's brother probably had his brain harvested and used by Legion. Which distracted from the possibility that this also could have happened to Lena's father, given it was unlikely Shin's brother could have retrieved her father's corpse.

Have not read any LN and am not planning to until this first season is over, so if you do reply, no LN spoilers please.

Spoiler:

I don't think so, yeah sure they harvested him, but considering his skills they ditched him after two sorties

Jokes aside, nice catch, I can totally see it as the peak of drama with Sawano kicking in just after Lena's father's words echoing in Lena & Shin's minds.
Considering how he died we can also figure the content of his last thoughts to be strictly related to Lena, so yeah, how it will impact on the pour daughter.
If we count in also the full-fledged brain of Shin brother that would be really something. (considering a full brain probably could speak and what not).

[Klashikari]

I'm not really exactly fond of that plot with machines taking over actual human brains considering the story doesn't really seem to be "that far" in term of technology (as in, there is no obvious biotech so to speak, aside of the pararaid I guess?). That said, it could make sense if that kind of technology was in preparation by the fallen Empire and the machines salvaged that.

That aside, this episode finally addressed Lena and Shin's pasts, although I do wish the last part wasn't such as "infodump" while following Shin doing mundane stuff, but it was either that or flashbacks and/or clips of the machines extracting human stuff so not really that better.
Now, I'm more curious about what Lena will do. There isn't much she can do with a single squadron and it is unlikely anyone will take her seriously if she were to make a report explaining what's up with Shin and his personal assessment of the war.

[Tenzen12]

Pararaid is pretty close if you ask me and Republic wasn't able replicate even original AI, which means they are behind in that area.

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

I'm not really exactly fond of that plot with machines taking over actual human brains considering the story doesn't really seem to be "that far" in term of technology (as in, there is no obvious biotech so to speak, aside of the pararaid I guess?). That said, it could make sense if that kind of technology was in preparation by the fallen Empire and the machines salvaged that.

The anime cut the explanation a bit short, respective only mentioned it briefly in passing when Shin said that an actual brain is going to rot and it's more likely just a copy of a brain since they encountered multiple Legion sharing the same "voice" before. The Legion aren't exactly taking a human's brain and placing it in the machine but rather making a copy of the brain structure, overwriting the original structure of their central processing unit - which is slowly degrading by design - with it.

Originally Posted by Klashikari

although I do wish the last part wasn't such as "infodump" while following Shin doing mundane stuff

They actually slightly amended the situation for that scene.

Spoiler for LN Version:

In the LN Shin was taking a shower as Lena called him, not getting ready for it.

[Klashikari]

Originally Posted by Kakurin

The anime cut the explanation a bit short, respective only mentioned it briefly in passing when Shin said that an actual brain is going to rot and it's more likely just a copy of a brain since they encountered multiple Legion sharing the same "voice" before. The Legion aren't exactly taking a human's brain and placing it in the machine but rather making a copy of the brain structure, overwriting the original structure of their central processing unit - which is slowly degrading by design - with it.

Alright, it makes more sense this way. For some reason, I took his explanation at face value and considered simply "recreating" a brain in a material fashion (be it synthetic tissues or robotic altogether), because all of the talk about the voices of the dead and whatnot. Copying the structure to create more advanced AI neural network is definitely more like it, although I didn't expect the machines to care about the memories found in the brains.

So my guess is that neural network technology seems to be something that was made on the fly by the central AI. It doesn't seem to be something made by "design" by the Empire, since it would obviously make the machines have irregular behaviour. If anything, that's probably one of the reasons why the machines went against the Empire to begin with.

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

Copying the structure to create more advanced AI neural network is definitely more like it, although I didn't expect the machines to care about the memories found in the brains.

These aren't really memories. Shin mentioned it when he said that you can't communicate with them. All these voices are, are the last thoughts of the person who died which got copied along with the brain structure. That's why it's endlessly repeating in a loop as we have heard with Kaie's last line.

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by gecd

eeerrr
do you guys have to use the spoiler tags

Yeah, just to be clear about this, please don't use spoiler tags for anime-only speculation.

DO use spoiler tags for comparisons (of shown content) to source material or other works. (And be sure to label what you are comparing to.) Do NOT post anything about future contents behind spoiler tags or not.

(If you actually do know something about the source material and are just pretending you're speculating... don't do that.)

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

That aside, this episode finally addressed Lena and Shin's pasts, although I do wish the last part wasn't such as "infodump" while following Shin doing mundane stuff, but it was either that or flashbacks and/or clips of the machines extracting human stuff so not really that better.

I'd actually love to see that. More "show, don't just tell".

[Applehell]

Despite the existence of new type Leigon, the black sheep only seems to refer ones with internal changes. Other than that they are physically still made of standard Legion types which makes them difficult to tell apart from the normal Leigon. Now not only can the Leigon effectively extend their operation time, but they have poteinally ingenious way of gathering information and thanks to Republic hubris. Scary!

I think one get an idea how Giad lost control over them & fell now.