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Alright, he regretted how Bodolza had to be killed by weapons, and so he did Macross 7. Then he did Macross Zero and Macross Frontier, so clearly that regret didn't sit very deeply.
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I think you missed the point of the reason why I quoted it: Kawamori is contrasting the use of songs and the uses of weapons, not as "songs are weapons" but "songs are the anti weapons" of sorts. He doesn't even acknowledge weaponization. He says they can be used with bad effects like Sharon Apple (Leon/Galaxy controlling the Vajra and now Var Wind Song are just knock offs of that), but he didn't even label that as being weapon like. I wrongly also said weaponization when it doesn't even register in his answer. He clearly makes songs the
opposite to weapons. That wouldn't be my personal logic, but that's apparently his.
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Yes, of course Bergers explanation is suspect. D'oh. If they did portray the guy as any more shady, they'd have to make him steeple his fingers all the time and cackle insanely between every sentence. Although his use of the pipe brought the point across nicely, too.
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Which is to bring forth
character development and get countered in the end. you do realize this, right? You know Freyja isn't going to say "yeah, singing is weapon, so gori gori!" There's a question mark Mikumo raised in early episodes, why do people sing for, what are songs for, what is music for. Sorry but I find it laughable that anyone would believe that Berger's theory would be the 'resolution'.
It's obviously presented to be argued against, you know. Yes, he raises a couple of sound points but also he's full of holes. If he didn't raise a couple of apparent good points, we wouldn't have existential angst until they are solved.
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But that doesn't mean that you can just dismiss what he said in its entirety. Some of it will be wrong, sure. Other parts probably are not wrong. They might have been interpreted wrongly, but "music was used as a weapon" is a fact. If the use of music as a weapon is right or wrong is not a factor in determining if "music can also be a weapon" is a fact or not. Hell, I personally think "using music as a weapon is wrong" is a debatable point, when doing so has saved hundred of thousands of people against a genocidal enemy on many, many occasions.
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Now, I
do understand that music is used as a weapon sometimes, but Kawamori expressively used music as the opposite of weapons, in his speech. So I think that he'll just deny they can be used as weapons at all, but they can have negative consequences like Heinz' wind song. Something like that. I would have actually made a better reasoning of "music
could be used as a weapon." But I'm unsure after Kawamori's statement just as he promoting Delta so... :/
However, that music
was created as a weapon and all that conjure that ippus was saying as if that guy spoke the gospel is naively foolish. It's like buying Roid's "Windermere as master race" speech because it has just about the same reaching and circumstantional evidence, interpretation made by people who have an agenda (Beger sells
weapons, duh!). I do agree with most of your points, but I'm not sure that
Kawamori wanted to present them that way. So he'll just use Walkure as his mouthpiece about what songs are for. It's not necessarily that I don't understand or agree your point, but I don't believe that Kawamori will acknowledge them. If he does, I'll be pleasantly surprised.
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Everyone fell into a big music debate. Okay, it's a weapon, even if it isn't canon, Macross II delved on this quite a bit, and Delta is now learning it outright. (Again, why is II not canon when it's been referenced in the last 2 entries in the franchise?) That said, it's not the biggest issue with this episode.
