2007-10-27, 18:37 | Link #381 |
Beautiful fighter.
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: England, UK
Age: 37
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Episode four: last six or so minutes (that includes the minute after the ED) is some nice heavy drama. A very nice episode over all --- better with subs though.
Speaking of the new ED, it's Shaft-tastic.
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2007-10-28, 04:55 | Link #387 |
Tsushima Masaki
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: British Columbia, Canada
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I started watching this show yesterday at the insistence of one of my friends. I like the art style and the colours, very distinct.
What I don't like is the general Renji/Chihiro storyline, I'm simply not interested in that plot. Not sure what it is, I suppose I'm supposed to sympathize with a girl who's coping admirably with pure anterograde amnesia and a single eye but... I just don't. I don't think I really care about Renji either. In any case I'm more interested in Hiro and Miyako's side of the story. Kei kind of reminds me of my sister in sense that she's younger and thinks she's Hiro's caretaker or something... But I suppose her worrying is legitimate. Not sure if I'll keep going with this one, that other plotline may grow on me but currently the only reason I would continue would be for Hiro's side.
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2007-10-28, 10:21 | Link #389 |
阿賀野型3番艦、矢矧 Lv180
Graphic Designer
Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Belgium, Brussels
Age: 37
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After watching this episode, the syndrome will probably never cease.
While i'm often surprised how the visual quality is, the animation is bluntly horrible. The mouth animations are often choppy or even messed up. Much like last episode, episode 4 has even more lipsync issues. (and again, many moments the transitions look more like slideshow, while the characters walk like dolls) The camera used a bit less awkward far plan, and they finally give a proper focus on Chihiro during her outburst. That said, the sight and emphasis are TOO stiff, and it still hurt visual part of the series, as it is a very important factor of the drama and interactions, which still fails to deliver the complete mood. That said, i'm certainly not convinced by Chihiro's Seiyuu, who hardly match the look and visual struggle of her character (it is certainly not as bad as Kei's seiyuu in the end of episode 3 though). She was fairly dull and even expressionless, which is something surprising considering how it was very nice in episode 3 ("joke" scene) This episode was "good", though Renji/Chihiro part is certainly not as moving as Hiro/Miyako/Kei, as the triangle has much more chemistry and dynamic, while Renji and Chihiro are rather bland despite the depth and potential of their relationship and so forth. Gotta wait for the subs, but i vastly prefered episode 3, though episode 4 still has much better score than 1 and 2.
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2007-10-28, 12:27 | Link #391 |
Kholdy's Slave
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Personally I think Renji is very 2-D character so far, and not really someone I can bring myself to like now. Chihiro not so much, as tragic characters almost always get a place with me.
The other story seems to have a lot more depth so far; especially now after Miyamiya's actions at the end of episode 3. Hopefully ep 4 brings us more of that story.. >_<
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2007-10-28, 13:54 | Link #392 | |
Yuuki Aoi
Join Date: Jul 2004
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I don't see Renji and Chihiro as bland at all. There is a lot of feeling there on both sides and an amazing situation and interesting reactions on hers. I find her seiyuu, Yanase Natsumi, highly convincing, even with her drippy, stylized voice. In fact, Hiro/Miyako/Kei are only just now catching up, for me. "...finally give a proper focus on Chihiro during her outburst..." sounds like excessively specific expectations of how a scene should be set up. The purpose of the whole thing is to tell a story and communicate characters and emotions. They should use whatever means work, and the means they are using work for me, if not for everyone. Why are "slideshow"-like transitions or long shots a sin? Spending more money is not a good thing in itself. Not every show has to use animation as detailed as Clannad or as active as Tokikake. I know what you mean when you say some movements are stiff, but that's part of the style, and it works well for me. Sometimes you can intensify a mood by playing against it: I think the somewhat detached style of Chihiro's seiyuu both creates a special vulnerable character and intensifies the emotion by contrast. In any case, we simply have differing perceptions. For me, the visual patterns and rhythms of this show really help the story and the emotions. Especially in ep4, everything works. I think this may be the best show so far from Shinbou and his group. For me, it "delivers the complete mood." But the style is far from normal or hackneyed, and that helps elevate the mood into something unique. This season, Blue Drop is my favorite show, but ef is next.
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2007-10-28, 14:43 | Link #393 | |||||
阿賀野型3番艦、矢矧 Lv180
Graphic Designer
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Location: Belgium, Brussels
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As for the lipsynch, it is rather that the movements are too short or too long considering for the words spoken. I'm not really sure if it is seiyuu's fault here but well. Quote:
I probably have a thing against Renji's character, aside of the present and the hug, renji was really passive and very very uninteresting in my eyes. as for Chihiro's seiyuu, many instances don't really match the visual (for instance, 19:00, chihiro should yell, which isn't the case etc). Rather a personal observation, anyway. Quote:
As for the stiff animation, that's not actually what i can call as style. While camera angle might be part of it, the animation is hardly on par with it. That's why i'm wondering why so much budget is spent insanely on the scenery (which don't suffer animation issues at all) while... the characters themselves ARE getting non fluid movements. It is disrupting the flow, as the body language is as important as with the expressions of the characters. Quote:
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This is a simple matter of taste, but aside of the art shift, it is rathe the execution which is really an issue in my books.
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2007-10-28, 17:19 | Link #394 |
Mou Nakanai~
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Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Moon (where Feena at <3)
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I guess I don't need to promote for the ED this time.
Notice that the lyrics is also written by Kei's seiyuu. Even before finding that out, I already thought the lyrics described Kei really well, but knowing it totally brings a whole new meaning to it. As for the episode itself, I will hold the discussion till subs come out. |
2007-10-28, 22:14 | Link #395 | |
Yuuki Aoi
Join Date: Jul 2004
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And having looked at the times you mention, I still disagree about lip movements. In fact, I think the voices and lip movements are particularly well done, surprisingly. I even see the different vowels. Once again, I think it's a matter of style. And the frames where Chihiro's image was shouting and her voice wasn't also work for me. It was a similar scene in the preview that made me think the seiyuus' lack of experience in anime (as opposed to games) would hurt the show. Now that I'm seeing the real thing, I don't think it does. The sound director is Tsuruoka Yota, one of the top guys around, who did Lain, Macross7, RahXephon, Azumanga Daioh, Rozen Maiden, SHnY, Lucky Star, etc., etc. I suspect he and the director would be the ones who decided how the seiyuu would do the line. In any case, thanks so much for the conversation. I've learned a lot. I'll keep looking for the things you point out.
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2007-10-29, 14:44 | Link #397 |
I wanna be Itou Makoto
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Da Bronx
Age: 37
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This show is really awesome and I've been impressed with the abstract scenes that they've put in the show. My personal favorite storyline so far is the Renji/Chihiro plot. They can honestly do a whole series just focusing on that particular story alone. I wonder how Renji is goin' to help her though.
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2007-10-29, 23:46 | Link #400 |
Snape: "I hate Potter!"
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Australia
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Why does it make you think kyoani?
As for this show I'm getting a bit tired of all those camera shots, it's really put me off and thrown off the momentum of the actual story. I know alot of you enjoy it but to me, after watching 3 ep i've decided to wait until it's completely subbed to watch the whole thing as I may enjoy Shaft's artistic way of doing things if I watch it as a whole.
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