2013-07-14, 14:00 | Link #29401 |
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Had Trayvon not been beating Zimmerman into the concrete, he'd still be alive. Did Zimmernman make some bad decisions in how the night was going on? Yes. Did Trayvon escalate things and pay the price for beating someone into the concrete like the thug that he was? Yep.
The Jury came to the right conclusion. It's a tragedy that the Media and the President had to even blow this thing up into something it wasn't suppose to be.
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2013-07-14, 14:09 | Link #29402 |
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Glad you could use your alternate reality eye for us to tell us what would've 100% happened if something had changed. And completely unbiased too, after all he was a thug! Because he had no reason to defend himself from an armed, agitated idiot or anything!
Know another way to put it? If Zimmerman had done what he had been told by the police, Trayvon would not have been killed by Zimmerman either! Let's see... which of these situations is actually 100% true... I just love how Florida apparently lets you instigate an armed brawl against an unarmed person, and then kill the person you started fighting with and get away with it under the guise of self defense. |
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And Trayvon was no angel like the media played him out to be by showing a picture of him when he was 12 years old. He'd had run ins with authorities and his school involving marijuana, his texts and tweets weren't allowed as evidence, hell just look at the scapegoats who were fired so the state could pursue GZ. http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/13/justic...html?hpt=hp_t2 http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/10/justic...html?hpt=hp_c2 Don't want to get shot in a state where anyone can be armed? Don't pound someone's head into the sidewalk. It's pretty freaking simple.
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2013-07-14, 14:27 | Link #29404 |
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None of which warrant death. Fact is that Zimmerman didn't do any law-abiding gun owner any favors. He violated protocol, started the altercation, and then killed him instead of backing off from something he started.
If I were Trayvon I would have reacted the same way as I was walking legally on a public sidewalk and was being assaulted/threatened by a jackass. If Trayvon had had a gun and shot Zimmerman - *legally* HE would have been fully justified since he was actually defending himself. Bets that the verdict would have gone differently in that scenario. The damned law of "stand your ground" is broken when you can start fights and kill the target or when you can hire a young lady escort and then shoot her dead for not giving you sex (not part of the explicit bargain -- see recent Texas verdict).
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2013-07-14, 14:33 | Link #29405 |
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What a joke Vexx. Seriousy? Zimmerman killed Trayvon after his nose had been broken and his head was being bashed into the sidewalk. There was no backing off at that point. Only protecting his life. And you have NO idea how those two acted towards each other. The 6 women in the jury heard more evidence than any of us ever will, and decided he was not guilty. If they had been given 100% of the evidence that the Prosecutors had been with-holding, they might have come with that verdict in 1/4 of the time.
There's a reason why the police didn't arrest him and charges weren't filed in the beginning. Because they knew there was no case. |
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But what about a follow up at the apartment complex? There was a problem with apartments being burglarized by the likes of Tray. After Tray was killed, what happened to the crime rate there? For reference: Quote:
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2013-07-14, 14:46 | Link #29408 |
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Did Trayvon show any bruises or cuts from Zimmernman hitting him Vexx? Please do tell the conditions of both of their injuries.
Your choice to use the word assault carries many meanings there Vexx. Want to explain the level of assault Zimmernman was using on Trayvon? Who was the one with the injuries(other than the bullet wound to the chest)? If someone does attack me, I'm not going to bash their head against the sidewalk when I'm the one kicking their ass. I was in fights all through high school. Including one, 1v5 where I took the leader out after they jumped me. It took seniors to jump in and save me from the remaining four beating me into a pulp. He deserved it for the months of crap he put me through leading up to it. Funny how he never looked at me, talked to me, or approached me again for the rest of our time in school. If someone physically attacks me and is bashing my head against the sidewalk, there's only one thing I will do. And that is end the fight as quickly as possible to protect my life. If that means ripping the guy's throat out or putting a bullet hole in his chest, so be it. So again Vexx. Please explain to me, and everyone else here, the kind of injuries both Trayvon and Zimmerman had on their bodies when Trayvon died? Facts are not on your side and your argument is as shallow as a kiddy pool. The Media and the President have done more harm for race relations because of this incident, than anyone realizes. It really has set things back decades. President Obama NEVER should have inserted himself into the debate when the facts were still being realized. The news stations should be held accountable for stirring the hornet's nest and mis-representing the facts, and basically fueling the fire for any riots that have resulted in this case(Oakland I'm looking at you).
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Currently, if someone starts a fight with you and realizes they're in over their head when you are kicking their ass - they can shoot you dead because they were in fear of their life. That is the law. The Zimmerman case reflects that.
We also have the case of the jury verdict that acquitted a man for shooting a female escort because she refused to prostitute herself to him (not part of a legal escort contract) and he shot her dead when she didn't return his money (which wasn't for sex). Texas verdict based on "stand your ground". I should also point out that "table and chair" combat involves using whatever tools are around to end the fight - including the sidewalk. The idea is that the other isn't moving any more so you can get away or call for help. And once you realize they have a gun, you're going to make sure they aren't moving because you really can't get away. I view Zimmerman the way I view the dumb-as-shit people who shoot someone while "cleaning their gun" or "showing off a weapon", etc. A dumbass that is, in the long run, making it more difficult for me to protect my ability to own weapons because of the rule of "this is why we can't have nice things".
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Again Vexx, who had the physical signs that result from fights? Who had bruises, cuts, gashes, and broken bones and who didn't? Take your damn blinders off for one moment and think about that. If a guy swings at you and misses, does that give you the right to break his nose, then bash his head against a sidewalk, potentially killing him? We don't even know who actually, physically, attacked who. Words are nothing, and no reason for a physical fight. So who physically struck at the other first? The only one with the injuries is Zimmerman. Don't you find that odd from your side of the argument?? At all? People have died from nothing more than tripping and hitting their head on a sidewalk. Trayvon very easily could have killed him with one change in impact with the concrete.
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Yes, we don't know how aggressively Zimmerman tried to... what? Run Treyvon off? Get him to admit he was a criminal? But we are pretty sure he's the one who initiated the confrontation. So, hey, maybe he was super polite about it, though I have trouble picturing that. Maybe he only used harsh words, which I suppose is possible. Or maybe he started the fight and shot when Treyvon got the upper hand. Which is also possible. So's anything in between. But we'll never know either way. The way the case went, "shoot first" looks like a better bet. Right behind "don't be in that state at all". |
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2013-07-14, 15:08 | Link #29416 |
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Remember that "Assault" doesn't always mean physical violence. In 'Assualt and Battery' the battery is the phyical violence.
Common Law: Assualt: "an intentional act by one person that creates an apprehension in another of an imminent harmful or offensive contact."
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Besides, you can start a fight without causing harm. Zimmerman could have just as easily flashed the gun, started shouting things, or even physically harassed him (such as shoving) while doing either. The main issue, as stated before, that lead to the "Not Guilty" is likely the prosecution attempting to force a murder charge without necessary evidence instead of just going for manslaughter or even reckless endangerment. |
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He has avoided almost every single question I've asked him. I wonder why...
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