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View Poll Results: Critique of Episode 02 | |||
10 out of 10: Near Perfect... | 36 | 19.78% | |
9 out of 10: Excellent... | 49 | 26.92% | |
8 out of 10: Very Good... | 43 | 23.63% | |
7 out of 10: Good... | 32 | 17.58% | |
6 out of 10: Average... | 16 | 8.79% | |
5 out of 10: Below Average... | 1 | 0.55% | |
4 out of 10: Poor... | 2 | 1.10% | |
3 out of 10: Bad... | 1 | 0.55% | |
2 out of 10: Very Bad... | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10: Torturous... | 2 | 1.10% | |
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2012-07-17, 16:17 | Link #402 | ||||
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This is the very reason why you cannot lurk around the safe zone if you want to strengthen yourself, moreso if you can't remain with people you don't know. Also, the fact the boar respawns quickly doesn't mean it is the case for every mobs. A lot of MMO uses different kind of periods for specific mobs depending of the level range and area. Quote:
Also pay attention to the fact dungeon are not your usual "instance" used by recent MMO: SAO system is more similar to global MMO using a single server for everything, which means boss and the likes serve as strong checkpoints for the -whole- player population of the floor (hence, it does not respawn and it sure explains why there is a unique bonus item upon last attack). Therefore, the number of people requiring for just scouting would be more than a mere party, even moreso for a game that can lead you to perma game over. Another point you discarded weirdly fast: the fact there wasn't any obvious trap shown doesn't mean there wasn't any. Diabel used a party to scout considering his words, and the anime made a short cut so the raid was in front of the boss door, which is not easy to achieve, otherwise it wouldn't have taken a month. Finally, the map is deceiving since the floor itself is extremely huge and round, which means you cannot deduce there isn't any other dungeon in the whole circumference of the floor. Quote:
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2012-07-17, 17:17 | Link #404 |
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Woah, quite the character turn there.
From 'I need to stay a lone wolf but be helpful and kind' to 'Realising that I should be helping everyone and suddenly turning into an arrogant guy' just like that I'm interested in what the next episode will show us. Perhaps it was an act? I wouldn't be surprised if he used the knowledge he knows to his advantage to keep him alive. He's pretty much saying "I know more than you, so keep me alive and i'll let you have some of my knowledge". Maybe he really is just arrogant and everything up until that point was an act I myself doubt that though.
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2012-07-17, 17:35 | Link #405 | |
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2012-07-17, 19:05 | Link #406 |
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The Diabel vs Potion dilemma is a dead horse dug up from grave, beaten and beaten to the end of days, rezzed up and beaten to death again, so I'm not gonna comment anymore on that as I'm sure others will gladly jump at the topic. >> So far neither episode have given ANY indication there are traps of any sort. I can give you one word: lolz. >> guilds/factions Mmmmmm. >> Map, again That very map you keep talking about in ep1, is just a world map. You're right about the icons. The red icons are the village on the world map of the first floor. And the green icon up at the top right is the dungeon aka that tower you're referring to in ep2. It's a dungeon tower that serves as both a bridge and an obstacle to the next floor. Once you enter that dungeon, it has its own set of map and floors that leads to the boss room. Kirito obviously does NOT have that map in ep1. That dungeon is what needs mapping. That dungeon is what players have been discussing during the meeting in ep2. That dungeon is what the front line players have been working on. And that dungeon, as you can see by looking from outside, is a massive structure. The boss room is NOT at the bottom of the tower where you can just walk in and initiate the raid. It's just like the typical MMORPG we have out there: you enter the dungeon and explore till you meet the boss at the end. In the SAO case, the players are essentially exploring and finding their way to the "end of the 1st floor dungeon" aka the "top of the tower" which is NOT "an elevator that zooms you to the next floor". Once again, if you have any experience of playing an MMO, the concept of SAO's dungeon is fairly obvious. And if you don't, now you know. >> Food It has indeed implied that you get better food if you fight. But think about it. Crappy food + 100% Safety vs Better food + Risking your life. I think the choice is kinda obvious. And you've pretty much answered your own question. If these players are forced to fight, they will indeed venture to the easy mob area. And when everybody does that, there is competition. (Which is why Kirito hurried off in ep1.) However, they have zero reason to go beyond that to challenge tougher mobs, let alone to participate in the front line. They are essentially hiding from any real combat. Which continues to the next point. >> People playing it safe would simply wait until the first group figures out the boss then wait for the next group.. or the next and grind levels till they feel ready. I will remind you again, the front line is extremely dangerous, and everyone knows it. And in case you didn't notice, even for the elites in ep2, the boss raid isn't exactly what you'd call safe. Act stupid, you die. Panic, you die. Mess up parrying, you die. Even our ever almighty Kirito, got hit square in the face for about 2/3 of his health. Playing safe in SAO means staying out of any risk that can get you killed. Last edited by Lantern; 2012-07-19 at 13:23. Reason: Fixed |
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2012-07-17, 22:04 | Link #409 | |
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How many people would play Call of Duty or Battlefield the way they normally do if they would die for real? Even Leeroy himself wouldn't be so eager to... well, LEEROY, if it means he can actually die |
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2012-07-17, 23:03 | Link #410 | |
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this is only worse in the case of this game, with your physical life at stake. though im beginning to understand now why they took out magic in this game. no one would be fighting physically anymore |
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2012-07-18, 00:50 | Link #411 | |
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Just like now, the 2nd floor's open to all players, whether they participated in the boss battle or not. |
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2012-07-18, 00:53 | Link #412 | |
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2012-07-18, 01:11 | Link #413 | |
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How would it make the game "too easy"? You still need someone to kill the boss in order to advance to next floor (or clear the game). Worse, it can lower number of people trying to kill bosses since they can just play it safe and hope someone else would kill the boss for them. |
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2012-07-18, 04:12 | Link #414 |
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Not to mention that enemies on higher floors will STILL have a higher level, whether you killed a boss or not.
Resources ARE scarce, players DON'T feel pain, and the boss room WASN'T found until that point. Oh, and he declined the potion because it probably wouldn't have saved him anyways. Last edited by Dengar; 2012-07-18 at 04:27. |
2012-07-18, 05:26 | Link #415 | |
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Even more so when you consider how would be willing to even go out to fight the floor bosses and the limited resources in SAO |
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2012-07-18, 06:27 | Link #416 | |
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P.S. A chara of mine in the MMO I currently play is a Boss Hunter but I always make sure I have a healer waiting on the fly and if not that I have enough instaheal pots to last the entire battle. SAO has neither. Kayaba is such a troll.
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2012-07-18, 06:36 | Link #417 |
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...You all do realise that part of what Kirito is saying is bullshit, as he's pulling a Zero Approval Gambit, correct?
He's deliberately making himself as a bad guy, someone even worse than the beta testers, so that players like Kibaou will focus their hate on him and leave the ordinary beta testers alone, rather than call for a jihad against beta testers.
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