2012-07-20, 22:20 | Link #961 |
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But then again, only Christian and Norse magic systems were shown in the series so far, so anyone else might not be convinced that magic can be just as interesting as Science.
Maybe kamachi.exe should feature Greek magic and vampires next time? |
2012-07-21, 02:11 | Link #964 | |
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That said, I still stand by my statement that more magic systems (and vampires) should be explored. @Wilfriback I agree with your statement. It probably didn't help that Kamikoto got Worfed recently. |
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2012-07-21, 11:40 | Link #965 |
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I've been thinking about magic that is derived from taking stories and overwriting religious motifs onto them (e.g. Cendrillon's magic), and their limits. However I haven't got a particularly good grasp of magical processes so I was wondering if someone could point out if I've gone wrong somewhere.
If I understand correctly, Idol Theory states that duplicates retain a tiny fraction of the power of the original, and this is how most magicians draw their power. If the stories need to be overwritten with religious motifs in order to use them as the basis for magic, would this mean that the source of power is entirely from the religion the motifs came from merely moulded by the shape of the story, or would the figures the story was based on have had to have actual power as well? Also, if it were entirely derived from religion, wouldn't it be limited by any limits of that religion as a result? |
2012-07-21, 12:43 | Link #966 | |
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Something have a magic meaning when it is believed to have so by humanity, it does not mean people must believe something is magic, just means something must be in the human psique. Religion spells are famous because religion is very widespread, among people and among history it is rooted very deeply in our world so it is easier to extract the magical meaning. But we have spells like Scattered Grass from Itsuwa who uses the meaning of layers of a tree as their age to reinforce a weapon with many layers of resine. So it uses a meaning that is rooted in our world but is not religious. Edit: I would just like to comment about the Shopping Mall Demonstration Side Story, a magic cabal was investigating it because it was believed they could use a software (that was able to control group psychology) as a means to interfere in the magic side.
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2012-07-23, 07:35 | Link #968 | |
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Spell Intercept works something like suggestion- when people tell you not to think of pink elephants, your brain automatically picture a pink elephant. Essentially she's 'hacking' into the magician's mind and giving it bad commands. This is as simple as I can explain it I'm afraid
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2012-07-23, 08:08 | Link #969 | |
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2012-07-23, 08:41 | Link #970 | |
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That's why when the Golem switch to AUTO mode, Spell Intercept had no effect.
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2012-07-23, 10:53 | Link #971 | |
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2012-07-23, 11:47 | Link #972 |
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Spell intercept is like injecting code in a program to make it do something else while it's running.
Now I have always have my problems that index magic system is complex and not easily explained, and complex in a bad way. For example Negima and Slayers have both a fairly complex magic system but it make a bit more sense and is easy to get the basics of it. |
2012-07-23, 20:38 | Link #973 | |
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Imagine that magic is like programming. Ideas are the programming language. So if you are a programmer and want something done you might want to use a programming language that is widespread so you can get help easier, since everyone already understands that. So you choose Christian magic, because like C/C++ everyone knows about it so you already have the basics ready for it. But that also makes it easier for other people to understand your code, so hacking it might be easier. You can then choose a more obscure language, it will be harder to do something but less people might be able to hack it. Then you can to make your own language, but WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT? WHY?
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2012-07-23, 20:47 | Link #974 | |
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@Saishy
I think what Phibrizzo meant is that the entire magic system in general is rather complicated, and why I think this is because it doesn't follow the tradition system set by fantasy games (I'll argue that even Negima follows this system). Kamachi talked about this in the Afterword of his very first volume. He wanted to do something different- Quote:
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2012-07-23, 21:56 | Link #976 |
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Sorry to confuse you the first part of my post was to explain spell intercept.
Well negima is the normal basic system but expanded (like the reason ice is the strongest type of magic), and the use of ancient languages. Slayers system if based on astral and material plane with different sources of power (Like Angels in ToAru... a bit like the idol system), mixed with the "chaos" words. |
2012-07-24, 20:16 | Link #979 |
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I don't think we'll see many new espers, or rather many new esper abilities; Kamachi seems more incline to write about technology than physics. Plus there seem to be an underlining theme about the esper technology being outmatched by advancing new technologies.
Ergo, please look forward to the inevitable appearance of cyborg ninjas wielding Dark Matter blades at sonic speeds.
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