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Coolrush · 2006-01-08, 13:15

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Originally Posted by dom33

it is obvious if you pay attention and stop being a blind tsa fan.

lol the pot calling the kettle black.

anyway id say the Aegis/Strike fight and the Freedom/Providence fight. All of the GSD duels sucked for the most part.

HazardNights · 2006-01-08, 13:47

Providence vs Freedom gets my vote. This is how a Gundam ending fight should be. Both suits being riped apart, emotion running full force, and the comeback at the end. This is when I liked Kira, where he actually showed some skill. This beam spam after getting Freedom was forgiven I feel when he fought against the EA's new Gundams and then Providence since he showed he could actually fight instead of just falling back on the beam spam.

Strike vs. Aegis is good as well but how it ended kills my vote for it and I didn't care for the still shots that much to be honest. Though loved that the two suits were destroying each other apart, as it should be. So still shots in that case aren't that bad..

Everything else on that list pretty much comes down to pure plot device, plot holes, and boring fighting.

Shinji103 · 2006-01-08, 17:37

I voted for Freedom vs Providence. Why? Simple: GSEED, unlike GSD, still somewhat applied logic and physics and all that good stuff that makes our universe work in a non-random way, and Freedom vs Providence was the ultimate fight of the GSEED series. Strike vs Aegis comes in close second, slapped down only because Kira's survival was one of the plot-devices of GSEED.

Demongod86 · 2006-01-09, 00:59

Blast door. Blast door covered Kira from boom. Read manga.

TwilightHack · 2006-01-09, 01:09

Strike v Aegis

Freedom v Providence

Neaco · 2006-01-09, 01:23

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Originally Posted by duotiga

Aegis vs Strike -> the clash of ideals and friendship..........the most dramatic part duel which cause the death of 2 closest friend from each side....

legendary fight.....

agreed, never seen any other SEED series fight IMO where both sides where so determined to kill each other and where they were about evenly matched in skill and suits.

Freedom v Providence is my second choice although I'm not a fan of dragoons/funnel involved battles.

In retrospect I do wonder why Kira v Andy (desert tiger arc) wasn't listed as an option. I think it definely qualifies as a duel (altho not gundam vs gundam) and it was great as well. In any case it deserves a mention.

RX-78GP04G Gerbera · 2006-01-09, 01:32

Yeah...I can't decide at all between Strike vs. Aegis or Freedom vs. Providence.

Both were very good duels with both suits getting torn apart bit by bit with neither side coming out without a scratch (obviously since Aegis self destructs, Strike gets mangled by it, Freedom gets mangled and Providence gets blown away, lol).

Most other duels in SEED and SEED Destiny were just...pretty lacking to me. They just seemed like most Gundam Wing duels where, basically, nothing really "happens" and the fight is just taking place to take up time...or for pilots to look good.

WarpObscura · 2006-01-09, 01:35

*Points at poll, which says "What battle was the epitome of the CE era"*

That means Astray is good to go too.

Anyway... Red Frame Vs Blue Frame was awesome. The final Hyperion Vs Dreadnought, where Prayer used his Newtype powers to make a Fin Funnel Barrier, was great too. Of course, all three of Ed's major fights during the USSA arc were brilliant.

As for anime, final Kira Vs Andy was nice too. Kira Vs Athrun was... Hmm... No comment.

Mr_Paper · 2006-01-09, 01:43

Except most of the duels in Wing, I can only recall a few true duels, were stalemated by outside interference.

In the first encounter between Trowa and Quatre, Trowa surrendered after running out of ammo and getting surrounded. Heero versus Zechs in Antartica was interupted by UESA soldiers trying to capture the Gundams and show their worth to OZ while in Siberia, it was a self-destruct order. For Wing Zero versus the Vayeate and Mercurius, the Vayeate was obliterated shortly after taking a shot from the TBR and the Mercurius severly damaged to the point it was barely operable. For Heero and Zechs final duel, it could be said it was fought to completion.

That's roughly three out of five duels being interupted in someway.

While it's true most of the battles in GSD and, to some degree, GS just seemed to be there to take up time and (especially in GSD) make characters look good, most of the battles in Wing didn't leave that impression on me. >.>

solcroft · 2006-01-09, 02:53

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Originally Posted by Demongod86

Blast door. Blast door covered Kira from boom. Read manga.

Blast door covered Kira from boom, but allowed cockpit seat to get melted?

Strike Mk.II · 2006-01-09, 04:33

Freedom Vs Providence.

Not one Gundam and its pilots got the treatment they desevered in GSD.

Shinji103 · 2006-01-09, 13:17

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Originally Posted by Demongod86

Blast door. Blast door covered Kira from boom. Read manga.

I did read the manga. But then there's the point solcroft pointed out. Ignoring common sense to try and maintain your fanboy-ism is bad for your image.

(as if your image could get much worse)

demon_god04 · 2006-01-09, 13:25

Freedom vs Providence battle was the best for me, loved how Rau was just playing around with Kira's mind, emotions running high and they both got trashed

Quote:

Originally Posted by solcroft

Blast door covered Kira from boom, but allowed cockpit seat to get melted?

Its the miracle blast door of plot device that can even block positron blasts, our feeble notions of reality and logic are simply no match for the fukuda universe

Sety · 2006-01-09, 14:39

Freedom vs Providence easily........only thing I didn't like about that fight was the end of it........extremely cheesy, Rau was obviously on top and Kira got out without a single scratch and for that matter somehow pulled away in time in a horrifically damaged Freedom.

Demongod86 · 2006-01-09, 17:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by solcroft

Blast door covered Kira from boom, but allowed cockpit seat to get melted?

Temperature got very very very very VERY high. Spacesuit can resist temperature, seat...cannot.

What other explanation is there?

Ooh, ooh, I know, I know!!

PLOT DEVICE!!!!!!!!!!

@ Shinji: when will you learn that my posts are only 50% serious and 50% satire?

WhereAmI · 2006-01-09, 19:35

Given that this is a story, and not real life, isn't everything, technically, a plot device? All the actions of the characters are decided by the writes. The only way I would say otherwise, is if they pull names of gundams/mobile suits out of box, flip a coin for winner, and finally pulls the name of the way the gundam/mobile suit that loses gets "destroyed" out of another box, in which case the story is totally random; this would truly have no plot device, all decided by the luck of the draw.

polar720 · 2006-01-09, 20:04

If the fight wasn`t so one sided, I`d of voted for Impulse versus Freedom, cause it shows that Kira`s blabber won`t work for anyone, and it was the first time he had trouble in the series. People call it a cheap fight for Shinn, but they`re simply just making excuses for Kira`s loss. But that`s besides the point, since Aegis vs. Strike was easily the best fight of the two series. Equal amounts of power kicking each others asses is much more entertaining than the usual Destiny fight.

WarpObscura · 2006-01-09, 21:22

Remember kids (

), it was Studio Orphee and not Fukuda who handled Astray. Go after Studio Orphee if that explanation does not satisfy you. Stop blaming Fukuda for inadequate explanations he never made. XD

kitezero · 2006-01-09, 23:34

i voted for the "Freedom V.S. Providence" but now that i think about i'm not sure why? maybe because the battle lasted longer which made it more intense by having such a hard to shot each other down. in the "Strike V.S. Aegis: Final Duel" it all happen to fast like they forgot all about defence and was trying to do as much damage as possible.

Shinji103 · 2006-01-09, 23:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demongod86

Temperature got very very very very VERY high. Spacesuit can resist temperature, seat...cannot.

What other explanation is there?

Ooh, ooh, I know, I know!!

PLOT DEVICE!!!!!!!!!!

@ Shinji: when will you learn that my posts are only 50% serious and 50% satire?

You see, that's the point. There isn't a reasonable explanation, it's a plot device.

I do know that, but it still doesn't change the fact that it gets very anoying to see such one-sided fanboyish-ness.

View Poll Results: What battle was the epitome of the CE era.
Strike Vs Aegis: Final Duel	79	56.43%
Freedom Vs. Providence	39	27.86%
Freedom Vs. Impulse	16	11.43%
Strike Freedom Vs. Legend	2	1.43%
Infinite Justice Vs. Impulse [ Luna Maria ]	0	0%
Infinite Justice Vs. Destiny	4	2.86%
Voters: 140. You may not vote on this poll

2006-01-08, 17:37	Link #23
Shinji103 Crazy Devout Fanboy Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: 1st Ra Cailum-class battleship Ra Cailum, port-side officer's bunks	I voted for Freedom vs Providence. Why? Simple: GSEED, unlike GSD, still somewhat applied logic and physics and all that good stuff that makes our universe work in a non-random way, and Freedom vs Providence was the ultimate fight of the GSEED series. Strike vs Aegis comes in close second, slapped down only because Kira's survival was one of the plot-devices of GSEED. __________________

2006-01-09, 01:32	Link #27
RX-78GP04G Gerbera Whoosh! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Albany Age: 38	reply Yeah...I can't decide at all between Strike vs. Aegis or Freedom vs. Providence. Both were very good duels with both suits getting torn apart bit by bit with neither side coming out without a scratch (obviously since Aegis self destructs, Strike gets mangled by it, Freedom gets mangled and Providence gets blown away, lol). Most other duels in SEED and SEED Destiny were just...pretty lacking to me. They just seemed like most Gundam Wing duels where, basically, nothing really "happens" and the fight is just taking place to take up time...or for pilots to look good. __________________ "I'll show you that a superior mobile suit has its limits when it goes up against a superior pilot!" - Char Aznable, The Red Comet "Come on! I don't feel like losing!" - Johnny Ridden, The Crimson Lightning "Hatred is the root of all war! That's common sense, boy!" - Anavel Gato, The Nightmare of Solomon

2006-01-09, 21:22	Link #38
WarpObscura Bibliophile Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: There's this dot on the world map...	Remember kids (), it was Studio Orphee and not Fukuda who handled Astray. Go after Studio Orphee if that explanation does not satisfy you. Stop blaming Fukuda for inadequate explanations he never made. XD

2006-01-08, 13:47	Link #22
HazardNights Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Pa, USA Age: 41	Providence vs Freedom gets my vote. This is how a Gundam ending fight should be. Both suits being riped apart, emotion running full force, and the comeback at the end. This is when I liked Kira, where he actually showed some skill. This beam spam after getting Freedom was forgiven I feel when he fought against the EA's new Gundams and then Providence since he showed he could actually fight instead of just falling back on the beam spam. Strike vs. Aegis is good as well but how it ended kills my vote for it and I didn't care for the still shots that much to be honest. Though loved that the two suits were destroying each other apart, as it should be. So still shots in that case aren't that bad.. Everything else on that list pretty much comes down to pure plot device, plot holes, and boring fighting.

2006-01-09, 00:59	Link #24
Demongod86 Gundam Boobs and Boom FTW Join Date: Dec 2005	Blast door. Blast door covered Kira from boom. Read manga.

2006-01-09, 01:09	Link #25
TwilightHack ~ Madoka = Win ~ Join Date: Dec 2005	Strike v Aegis Freedom v Providence

2006-01-09, 01:35	Link #28
WarpObscura Bibliophile Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: There's this dot on the world map...	Points at poll, which says "What battle was the epitome of the CE era" That means Astray is good to go too. Anyway... Red Frame Vs Blue Frame was awesome. The final Hyperion Vs Dreadnought, where Prayer used his Newtype powers to make a Fin Funnel Barrier, was great too. Of course, all three of Ed's major fights during the USSA arc were brilliant. As for anime, final Kira Vs Andy was nice too. Kira Vs Athrun was... Hmm... No comment.

2006-01-09, 01:43	Link #29
Mr_Paper Hmm... Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Looking for his book...	Except most of the duels in Wing, I can only recall a few true duels, were stalemated by outside interference. In the first encounter between Trowa and Quatre, Trowa surrendered after running out of ammo and getting surrounded. Heero versus Zechs in Antartica was interupted by UESA soldiers trying to capture the Gundams and show their worth to OZ while in Siberia, it was a self-destruct order. For Wing Zero versus the Vayeate and Mercurius, the Vayeate was obliterated shortly after taking a shot from the TBR and the Mercurius severly damaged to the point it was barely operable. For Heero and Zechs final duel, it could be said it was fought to completion. That's roughly three out of five duels being interupted in someway. While it's true most of the battles in GSD and, to some degree, GS just seemed to be there to take up time and (especially in GSD) make characters look good, most of the battles in Wing didn't leave that impression on me. >.>

2006-01-09, 04:33	Link #31
Strike Mk.II Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: UK	Freedom Vs Providence. Not one Gundam and its pilots got the treatment they desevered in GSD.

2006-01-09, 14:39	Link #34
Sety Lost in your Eyes~~~ Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: UK	Freedom vs Providence easily........only thing I didn't like about that fight was the end of it........extremely cheesy, Rau was obviously on top and Kira got out without a single scratch and for that matter somehow pulled away in time in a horrifically damaged Freedom.

2006-01-09, 19:35	Link #36
WhereAmI Ecchi Otaku Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Inside your head, I'm a figment of your imagination	Given that this is a story, and not real life, isn't everything, technically, a plot device? All the actions of the characters are decided by the writes. The only way I would say otherwise, is if they pull names of gundams/mobile suits out of box, flip a coin for winner, and finally pulls the name of the way the gundam/mobile suit that loses gets "destroyed" out of another box, in which case the story is totally random; this would truly have no plot device, all decided by the luck of the draw.

2006-01-09, 20:04	Link #37
polar720 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	If the fight wasn`t so one sided, I`d of voted for Impulse versus Freedom, cause it shows that Kira`s blabber won`t work for anyone, and it was the first time he had trouble in the series. People call it a cheap fight for Shinn, but they`re simply just making excuses for Kira`s loss. But that`s besides the point, since Aegis vs. Strike was easily the best fight of the two series. Equal amounts of power kicking each others asses is much more entertaining than the usual Destiny fight.

2006-01-09, 23:34	Link #39
kitezero Strike Freedom Join Date: Jan 2006	i voted for the "Freedom V.S. Providence" but now that i think about i'm not sure why? maybe because the battle lasted longer which made it more intense by having such a hard to shot each other down. in the "Strike V.S. Aegis: Final Duel" it all happen to fast like they forgot all about defence and was trying to do as much damage as possible.