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Out of the 15 or so major KyoAni productions, Munto TV, Nichijou, and Tamako Market are flops. "Almost anything" is getting progressively less true. |
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2013-02-13, 18:37 | Link #1343 |
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Considering how some series like Jojo's had rather pathetic stalker points ranking, and yet dished out rank 2 with nearly 20K sales, I don't think it is any good to even think about it right now.
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2013-02-13, 19:12 | Link #1344 |
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Honestly I'd rather they ditch Haruhi for good. Not like I hate the show, but now that the studio is moving into original projects territory, I'd rather they keep at that and expand.
But it's strange that Kadokawa/Kyoani have yet to announce any project for 2013. Seems like nothing in Spring, and if something will air in the summer right about now is due time for disclosing it. So, considering the weird shit that happens whenever Haruhi is involved, I'd say there is a decent chance it's getting a sequel. |
2013-02-13, 19:21 | Link #1345 | |
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What exactly would be wrong with a balanced approach that tries do something new every now and then but also respects and continues on with the properties that helped make KyoAni the popular and profitable studio that it is?
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2013-02-13, 19:59 | Link #1346 |
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If you think doing more Haruhi is by any means more progressive than keeping with original shows, I don't know what to tell you...
Nothing would be wrong, I was just stating my preferences. I just don't like sequels too much, and I don't see anything wrong with not doing any more Haruhi either. |
2013-02-13, 20:22 | Link #1347 | |
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Properly moving a narrative forward towards its completion is the very definition of "progressive". Besides, what makes original shows more "progressive" than anime adaptations? Was P.A. Works "regressive" in choosing to adapt Another? Since all they did before that was anime originals. Even as someone who is glad to see anime originals be made, I don't see what "progressive" has to do with it. The next Haruhi anime (if it happens) is not a "sequel" in the same sense that the third Madoka Magica movie is. The Madoka Magica TV series could stand perfectly well on its own. No more story needs to be told to have a complete narrative. That's not the case with the Haruhi anime to date. The next Haruhi anime would be a continuation of the same broader, ongoing narrative. Calling the next Haruhi anime a sequel is like calling the second Lord of the Rings movie a sequel. At some level, sure, it is. But it's most accurately a continuation of the same unfinished story. Lord of the Rings fans would not have been pleased if the first movie was all there was to its movie adaptation. So nobody should be surprised that some Haruhi fans won't be pleased with the anime never going beyond where it's at now. And in my mind, there's something wrong with denying those fans a narrative that feels complete. This isn't about "failure to move on" from Haruhi. I had no problems "moving on" from Shakugan no Shana or Clannad or Kanon. Because those have good, solid, complete narratives in anime format. Haruhi doesn't.
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Besides everything else, the main purpose of adapting an on-going work has nothing to do with offering a complete narrative in most cases. If you take the Haruhi anime in isolation as a stand-alone story you're missing the fact that Kadokawa thinks of the anime as a glorified advertisement for the books and nothing more. |
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2013-02-13, 23:14 | Link #1349 | ||
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I don't think that this will dissuade Kyoto Animation from further original projects. Their finances should still be good, and there are a lot of advantages over being restricted to adaptations. It just means that they'll be a lot more careful to craft a project with the potential of decent sales. Quote:
It's also natural for the more powerful, influential or talented people in the industry to make original works rather than adaptations.
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2013-02-14, 00:22 | Link #1350 | |||||
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Animation brings things to life in a way that words on a page alone don't. That's part of the reason why animation is probably my favorite entertainment medium. Quote:
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I don't think it's good for an anime studio to put all their eggs in one basket - Be that basket "adaptations" or "anime originals".
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2013-02-14, 00:32 | Link #1351 |
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Precisely. That's why most studios will make a bunch of adaptations to pay the bills until they can afford to make something original like Tamako Market. At the same time, if an anime studio is not part of the production committee, then they might not reap the financial rewards of even super-popular shows. It all depends on how the contract is setup.
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I'm aware not many people will agree with this, but Tamako Market seems to me much more interesting and varied in the direction/creativity department compared to Yamada's previous effort K-On! (K-On!! is different due to the high amount of original content, but I see it as more restrained than TM either way). Quote:
Hyouka seemed more like a big bet for Kadokawa, and maybe I could think that fell a bit short of expectations even if it's doing very well, but Tamako Market strikes me as a small project compared to the previous KyoanixTBS offering. |
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2013-02-14, 09:08 | Link #1353 |
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I think with the successes Kyoto Animation has, they can afford an offseason or two. I mean after losing money with Nichijou, they dished out two franchises that sold well and the K-ON movie which was a huge box office hit. I'm pretty sure they're still confident with their moe skills.
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2013-02-14, 10:30 | Link #1354 |
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I think a healthy studio should be able to make good adaptions and original work. There is nothing wrong with a good adaption and doing adaptions does not mean you can't do original work too.
Also doing an adaption does not have to be restrictive. A lot of directors, animators put creativity in their adaptions (at least the best ones). On another note while I am enjoying Tamako Market, it has to be the least risky original work Kyoani could do. Yeah don't get me wrong I am not disputing the fact that doing an original work takes risk but what they chose to do, well it's very typical Kyoani. I don't see anything amazingly original about it.
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2013-02-14, 10:51 | Link #1355 | |
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I took this series as an example of irrelevancy in speculating with stalker points that early. While Tamako Market will obviously sell less than Hyouka and Chuunibyou if the trend stays as it is, I don't think the stalker points as of now are reliable at all.
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I'd imagine that a successful studio like Kyoto Animation has more freedom of action, but there can still be projects where they'll get dictated to by the license holder. Haruhi is one of the most likely of these projects where Kadokawa is calling the shots. Quote:
Tamako Market is only trending at about a quarter the rate of Jojo, and it's making very little impression in places like Amazon's top-100 at a time when Jojo was starting to make big gains. Arguably, the trend is an even more pessimistic indicator than the actual stalker points.
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2013-02-14, 15:28 | Link #1357 | |
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As for Tamako Market's sales, let's just say that the success of Chuunibyou is likely to cover any deficits that series creates. The only harm may be in future original franchises which may or may not get funding from Pony Canyon/TBS.
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2013-02-15, 16:15 | Link #1358 | |
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2013-02-15, 18:16 | Link #1359 |
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Which is what I was saying. They get the "store cut" from the KyoAni Shop! instead of payments as one of the members of the production committee, which would be higher and provide more immediate income. Of course they would have to pay the other members and original creators payments as you said.
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