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2014-02-13, 05:57 | Link #3522 | |
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Roriconfan posted here during the airing of the show, clearly disliking it. The problem was that his "reviews" demonstrated that he hadn't actually watched the show (or very much of it). I'd imagine by this point he probably has, but his opinions were formed before then and it shows in his review style. You'll never convince someone like him that it is possible that people can like something different or in tandem with the things he likes. Madoka is a fantastic show. You can point to other great shows, like Sailor Moon, Nanoha, or Princess Tutu, but Madoka is different enough to stand on its own. It's not exactly the second coming of Evangelion (but if it felt like that to anyone, good for them!), but it has definitely made a mark on the industry/community and has been an influence on anime after it. You can take pretty much anything and pick it apart, but I question reviewers that do only that. Those kind of reviews tend to feel as if the person writing them has no joy left in their hearts.
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2014-02-13, 06:14 | Link #3523 | |
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I've watched both Madoka and Evangelion. While I agree that Evangelion is one of the best shows in existance, I like Madoka even more |
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2014-02-14, 23:19 | Link #3525 |
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I finally got around to watching this show and I've got to say, it was fantastic but also heart-wrenching. I seem to have a thing for despair anime... (also a Shingeki no Kyojin and Danganronpa fan)
I really liked the character development of Homura, and even though the whole ending business was sad I could also appreciate it from a plot standpoint. I need to watch the movies now and cry even more...
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2014-02-15, 06:57 | Link #3527 | |
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And about that, for the longest time I had a slight aversion to watching Attack on Titan because it seemed a bit too... oppressive, I guess? Then I realized that "Wait. MY FAVORITE ANIME IS FREAKING MADOKA." and thus that aversion made absolutely no sense since Madoka is also after all negative as hell. And then I went to watch Attack on Titan. This was like three weeks ago. I have now finished the whole anime and read the manga up to chapter 50. Obviously the series did not disappoint.
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2014-02-17, 02:59 | Link #3530 |
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It's... highly divisive, is the best way to put it. Some adore it, others find it completely disgusting. Personally, I find that even just as an individual I'm extremely divided on the movie, in that on one hand, I think it has plenty of really great moments, an overall intriguing plot (albeit the pacing does feel slower than it needs to be and I feel like there's just way too much of Shinbo's beloved trippy imagery in it) not to mention the presentation is excellent, with plenty of great visuals and Yuki Kajiura's soundtrack being as good as ever. And heck, I even liked ClariS's opening. Every other song I've heard of theirs I've been completely indifferent to. And yet, in spite of all this... I hate this movie, and personally I feel that yes, it did almost ruin the series for me... That said, I know there are many who would disagree with me on that, and actually feel the movie is a more than worthy followup to the series that expands on its themes perfectly. So honestly, it's kind of impossible to say whether you'd like it or not. It's something you really have to just see for yourself and make up your own mind on.
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2014-02-17, 03:56 | Link #3532 | |
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There is no question about the production quality. The visuals are on par with the best in the industry. The voice acting and musical score are as good as ever. The ending theme is simply glorious. |
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2014-02-22, 09:34 | Link #3535 |
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Yeah, I'd agree with the End of Evangelion comparison.
It's not that the movie is bad in any objective or technical proficiency sense, but rather that it's handling of certain characters is controversial and not everybody will be fond of that handling. However, it's not like this handling is unthinkable, horribly OoC, and/or plot hole-ridden. It's just that it'll be discomforting to some much like some of Shinji's actions in EoE was discomforting to some. Personally, I loved the movie, though I can certainly understand why some would dislike how it handles certain characters.
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2014-02-25, 21:59 | Link #3536 |
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Personally, I feel that Rebellion was better than End, if only for it not relying completely on the themes to tell the story.
Also, some have had problems with Kyouko in the original series for this reason: "Now there is just one thing I didn't buy: Kyōko. I could have liked the character − I like her voice to start − but I don't know… from her initial jerk behavior to the exposition of her Freudian Excuse to her gratuitous sacrifice, everything about her seemed awkwardly executed to me. I never managed to feel any sympathy for her. And it's a pity, because I was really sad for Sayaka, but… instead of being shocked at Kyōko's suicide I was just "Err, huh? Why would she do that?" Especially since another timeline showed witch!Sayaka could perfectly be taken down without going to such extreme lengths." "It is an effect of the short run and heavy emphasis on WHAMs that some characters can feel more device than arc." I admit, she could have used a bit more development so as to make her sacrifice a bit more believable, but I still think she had a good send off. What say you? Do you buy her development, or was she just written off so as to leave Homura alone against WPN? |
2014-02-26, 02:54 | Link #3537 | |
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...Though I should note that after reading a certain fan-theory on TVTropes that made a freakish amount of sense, my last major issue with Rebellion that prevented me from liking the movie has essentially evaporated. So yeah, as of last week I suddenly no longer hate that movie. I mean, it's hardly perfect, I still found the TV-series to be much better, but on the whole, with that surprisingly logical fan-theory in mind, the movie is actually pretty solid.
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2014-02-26, 22:50 | Link #3538 |
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Oh, I was surfing TV Tropes, and I noticed that they had this to say on Madoka's YMMV page:
"Unfortunate Implications: Episode 12's complete romanticism of Homura's obsessive, controlling issues towards Madoka being completely thrown out the window and forgiven. (One could argue that since it is Madoka forgiving her specifically, it could be justified a little, but that doesn't excuse the overall writing of the episode, especially given that Episodes 10 and 11 were setting it up as something destructive and problematic, about to blow up in Homura's face. This is probably due to the ending being rewritten to be happier.) And there's also Episode 9's romanticism of Kyouko's stupid "sacrifice", which is really just her committing suicide using Sayaka as an excuse to do so — Sayaka wouldn't wanted Kyouko to kill herself, instead go help Homura defeat Walpurgisnacht, as Sayaka's belief was that all Puella Magi should kill as many witches as they could, which falls into a similar vein." What say you? |
2014-02-27, 21:21 | Link #3539 | |
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Is it the most pragmatic thing in the world? Is it an enviable position? No, not really, for both questions. But I frankly think that someone has to have a very cold heart to completely fail to appreciate the beauty in a person who will give their all for another. As for Kyouko's sacrifice - You can care for a person and still disagree with them on one or another philosophical matter. Yes, Sayaka probably would prefer Kyouko to live on to eliminate more witches. But that's not what Kyouko wanted - Not for herself, or for Sayaka. I think that Kyouko had understandably lost the will to soldier on given the dark revelations made to her. Having made peace with the idea of an early death, she decided that she wanted to be there with Sayaka in their final moments.
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2014-02-27, 22:34 | Link #3540 | |
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