2012-01-25, 07:20 | Link #1 | |
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Petition: Ban Negative "Utopian" Views From Series/Episode Discussion
This sums it up nicely...
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The petition explicitly targets the repetative "I hate everything about this show" type of posts that some people post every week, episode-by-episode, on series they aparently don't like at all (sometimes targetting the franchise itself). This petition does not target (friendly) debates, criticism, or discussion on the flaws of the show; but sees them as being shortcircuted and overwritten by the over the top rant posts and "hate"-posts. Problems and Reasons:
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2012-01-25, 07:34 | Link #2 |
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What about rants that contain atleast 1 reason?
edit: in reckoner's case he did bring up his reasons for hating it. I don't think that there is a problem by giving negative impressions about a serie if the rant is not baseless. Everyone can give his opinion about series as long as he/she has arguments to back his opinion up. |
2012-01-25, 07:43 | Link #4 | |
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Well if it was only this, then i would agree with the topic starter.
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-bad comedy -dislike of characters -the usage of sci-fi While some can agree or disagree, he did point out his flaws of that episode and the show itself. |
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2012-01-25, 07:43 | Link #5 |
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@hyl
As per the petition, it would depend on if the rant is disrepectful of the subject and the fans. If it's just "XXX was so dumb this episode, can't believe he didn't see that one comming." then it would be just a friendly banter and it would be fine. If you take that same statement and blow it out of proportion in a glorified wall of text and engage/target other fans of the show with it, and also repeat it episode after episode, then that would probably be better expressed in it's own (separate) topic. And if by chance it's not worthy of it's own topic, then obviously it's a not worthy of disrupting the thread either and hence should be removed. Or at least that would be the simple logic for this particular case, IMO... I wrote the petition in a general form; not necesarly my own views. Everyone is free to interpret the small details as they wish. I believe the general idea of it would be understood the same by everyone though. @Marcus H. This has been a reucurring problem is not simply directed at the case/quote there.
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2012-01-25, 07:43 | Link #6 |
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Uguu.... I don't think this is necessary.
I think it's a very dangerous idea that polarizing or extremist viewpoints should be barred from presence in the thread. You shouldn't be not able to post just because some people don't like it. Repeated and consistent over the top rants are already covered under the forum rules as "cyclical topics". That is if someone entered a thread and kept making the same kind of rant every friggin episode that is already covered. Essentially the problem can easily be solved without changing any rules. Solutions include
Essentially, we'd have to say to people "post better" and really... for a casual discussion that is just not viable. Just don't aim attacks at people and I don't see the issue.
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2012-01-25, 07:49 | Link #8 |
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I'm fundamentally opposed to censorship, except when it comes to highly sensitive topics like religion and race (and even then, exceptions should apply only to inflammatory remarks).
Archon_Wing has already covered what I feel are much better alternatives. Visitors to a thread are as free to ignore a "rant" as detractors are to rubbish whatever they want. It's enough to report a post deemed "offensive" to moderators. Let them do their jobs. |
2012-01-25, 07:53 | Link #9 | |
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It does not hurt to read some negative opinions about a serie or episode. Like in my case, some people called Mashiro iro Symphony a bad romance because they didn't like the pairing (or in their case unexpected pairing) at the end. But that wouldn't bother me from enjoying the serie as a fan at all. |
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2012-01-25, 07:57 | Link #11 | |||
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The current way is to completely censor a thread. The proposed way is to redirect it from the start so there's never a issue. Quote:
[edit] Lets say I add X and Y to the ignore list. What of the other people like the person who I quoted in the opening post. I'm certainly not gonna add them to the ignore list. The thread gets disrupted even if I ignore list the 2-3 posters reponsible for the mess. No, it would just mean we can report and ask for certain post to be moved to their own topic if it's a pure rant, or repeating criticism over and over. Currently you can't do that; it will never pass. What will happen is the problem will escalate until thread will get censored to the point of posts being deleted once moderators start seeing the problem—which is too harsh, too little and too late.
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2012-01-25, 08:02 | Link #12 | |
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Also most series only get 1 thread to post on and there is usually a reason for that. |
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2012-01-25, 08:04 | Link #13 | |||
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And they already move posts to the needed places, anyways. My point is that the rules work fine if they are enforced, already. Quote:
I'm firmly of the opinion that if posts like that can put someone off, then they simply need to level up on the internet. Because Animesuki is a very hospitable place for civil discussion, relative to others on the internet.
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2012-01-25, 08:05 | Link #14 |
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The problem with making an entirely new thread about a single rant is that it would clutter a board where these "rant threads" would accumulate over time. Not to mention that moderating things like this is not easy, especially if said "rant threads" eventually mutate into flaming between the "hater" and the "anti-haters".
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2012-01-25, 08:10 | Link #15 | |
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And you know why? Because if you look at General Anime, there's plenty of hate threads. There's at least 2 devoted to hating, one on the very first page, and there's always occasional threads that are hate threads in disguise. There's already enough of these.... and it's not like they are high content threads anyways. I don't care for another. We have enough already. Short story short, it doesn't work. The nature of criticism will always drag it to front stage when it comes to addressing the work. You can't get around it.
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2012-01-25, 08:13 | Link #16 |
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I don't really see how consistently negative opinions are any different from some fan who mindlessly praises a series despite all of the noticeable flaws. In-fact, I'd say the former is better, because at least that poster is trying to be productive. This thread in general is very misleading, as the poster in question expressed his opinion with more than a few words. It was no slouch in terms of coherency, either.
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2012-01-25, 08:14 | Link #17 | ||
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Oh, those moe, fanservice and all those loaded topics in the past few months.
We seriously don't want to overload relentlessflame or our other mods with too much stuff to look into. Quote:
Unless this is the world of Puella Magi Madoka Magica, where negative emotions can prevent an unseen apocalypse, any form of negative attitude is unsightly and is highly advised to be refrained. Quote:
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2012-01-25, 08:18 | Link #19 |
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Also i find it kind of odd that you are making this petition.
I can recall a similar situation a few months ago in the guilty crown thread (when it did not have it's own sub forum), that you were making lot's rants about some episodes yourself. Some people also find your rants somewhat distracting from the topic back then (most of the time the similar complaints how bad Shuu was as a main character or the plot itself). So how is this situation different from yours in the guilty crown general discussion topic back then? |
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