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View Poll Results: Lolicon, lolicon. Ok or not? | |||
Yes. it's ok. There's no harm, it's just a drawing. | 36 | 42.35% | |
Don't care, or I'm on the fence about this. | 31 | 36.47% | |
No, it's hurtful to anime and/or real life children. | 18 | 21.18% | |
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2004-05-31, 23:10 | Link #2 |
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well don't worry.
A long time ago this russian writter create the widely known novel named "lolita", it melt liberal people with its candor and scandalized conservative ones, because is about the forbidden love of this old 40 year old guy with a little girl (i think of twelve years old, max 14 )since then the term "Lolita", "loli" and all his variants refer to platonic love with little children, to put it simple... pedophilia. Last edited by mantidor; 2004-05-31 at 23:49. |
2004-06-01, 00:31 | Link #3 |
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In anime usage it refers to young girls, or to female characters who look very childlike. As the post above mentions, loli/lolita is general used as a description indicating sexual interest.
The best example I can think of is the class president from Onegai Teacher/Twins. She is in high school, and looks like she is a primary school student. She is described as "loli" at one point. |
2004-06-01, 11:11 | Link #8 |
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True, I just heard the word shouta like a week ago when I stumbled upon a place selling manga of that theme.
But given the male dominated word and especially internet, things guys would like are more easily stumbled upon. Not to mention the movie "Lolita" as advertisment. |
2004-06-01, 11:15 | Link #9 | |
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i have my old av down, so i cant pointo you to any examples... but yes. what mantidor said was correct. |
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2004-06-01, 11:16 | Link #10 | |
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The rest is correct though. |
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2004-06-01, 11:30 | Link #11 | |
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2004-06-01, 11:41 | Link #12 | |
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I've never read the book, but I think they didn't have any sex, basically because the man felt very guilty about loving a little girl so much, and before anime "lolita" was generally used to describe girls of a maximum age of 15 but who were very atractive sexually. Like the girl in the novel. Of course in the hands of perverted japanese mangakas "loli" refers to eight year old girls having sex >.<;;;; someone please correct me if Im wrong. |
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2004-06-01, 12:32 | Link #14 |
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the current definition of loli is quite different from the lolita novel I think. I heard the current surge of lolicons in Asian regions is more because of Rei Ayanami (of EVA), Ruri Hoshino (of Nadesico) and Lain (of, well, Lain). Those three are what defines the term "loli" in today's anime world. Soemtimes loli doesn't even need to be little girls, but just "feels" like little girls, like Kirika in Noir. most of today's lolicons don't care about the real age of the girl. And from what I understand, the term loli doesn't necessarily have any sexual meanings to it, unlike the original term "lolita". the term loli and lolicon are now very hard to define...
basically in a lot of anime forums I visit, it's like : do you like Rei Ayanami? if yes, you are a lolicon do you like Ruri Hoshino? if yes, you are a lolicon do you like Lain? if yes, you are a lolicon do you like Kirika? if yes, you are a lolicon etc. etc. @_@ |
2004-06-01, 13:28 | Link #16 |
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For me, the only difference between "lolita" and "lolicon" is that I use lolicon when it refers to an anime character. I've only heard the term in the anime world so it carries that specific detail, to me.
And, yes, young looking would be considered the same as actually being young since cartoons don't really have an age anyway. The characters are as old as someone says they are so it has to based entirely on appearence. |
2004-06-01, 14:07 | Link #17 | |
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Loli characters are most likely flat-chested characters let's say Because you can put any age on any characters, see the main character from Doki Doki School Hours who is supposed to be an adult even though she looks more like she's in grade school. This example can also be put on the loli ero-game like はじめてのおいしゃさん where they put a large 'all characters are 18 and over'.
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