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2006-06-08, 21:55 | Link #883 | |
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Enuma Elish normally, and saying Ea for full power. Then throw in magical amulets/talismans/relics/artifacts to boost the damage of Ea even further. Edit: My bad, its the other way around, Ea normally, Enuma Elish for full power.
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2006-06-08, 22:14 | Link #884 | |
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2006-06-08, 22:24 | Link #886 | |
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At full power, Enuma Elish is several hundred times more powerful than the Excalibur Beam. It's classified as Anti-World for a reason.
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2006-06-08, 23:02 | Link #889 |
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I wonder...if Ea can split the world, why didn't the world end in the previous holy grail war? I remember Kieri wants everyone to die anyways...so why not say 'hey gil use Ea and split Earth in half!'?
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Kirei: Hey Gil, use Ea and split this world will you?
Gil: No. Kirei: Why not? Gil: Because I don't feel like it. Kirei: By the power of the Command Seal, I order you to destroy the Earth! Gil: Quit trying to order the King around, you mongrel-ACK! Someone's selling my Durandal in the flea market for 100 yen! *buys*
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2006-06-09, 01:10 | Link #893 |
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you guys are confusing me lol.
Ea is for reduced power and Enuma Elish is for maximum power is what I picked up from this. That's fine, but what im not getting is that you said he wasn't trying to kill saber in 21 which makes sense, but he used Enuma Elish there instead of Ea... isn't Enuma Elish the super powerful version? *brain fries*
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2006-06-09, 04:50 | Link #894 | |
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Kirei probably had a good life in the last holy grail war... Kirei: Hey Gil lend me your weapons Gil: Sure. *Gate of Babylon* *smack* Take them all you punk. ---meanwhile, in the flea market--- Kirei: Big sale! Durandal and Garm and other legendary weapons for sale! 100,000,000yen each! ---later on--- Gil: Ha! As if you really think these weapons are yours. *Gate of Babylon Reverse* ---the next day--- Kirei: Hey Gil, lend me... Gil: No. |
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2006-06-09, 07:29 | Link #895 | |
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Or, that Gilgamesh had to say Enuma Elish in order to use Ea due to the "technicalities" of how to use Noble Phantasms (the whole saying the name bit), but held the power back drastically. Regarding the use of the word Phantasm: Phantasm - a perception of something that has no physical reality. Putting that definition in mind, 'Noble Phantasms' as a translation of Hougu, really does fit the context.
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2006-06-09, 08:54 | Link #897 | |
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2006-06-09, 09:07 | Link #898 | |
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2006-06-09, 09:21 | Link #899 | |
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But the way the legends "improved" the Noble Phantasms to the way that they are used now, it transcends physical reality. So Phantasm fits it accurately. Again: Phantasm - a perception of something that has no physical reality. By saying that Noble Phantasms are Phantasms, it doesn't mean denying their existence - but rather, by improving on their purpose, they become phantasmic concepts. As an example: Can you honestly say that Excalibur using a beam of light from focused wind energy isn't phantasmal at all? It has no physical reality, or foundation, to speak of - the belief on how Excalibur works as a Hougu - but due to people's hopes and dreams, it has become that way. Noble Phantasms are not simply about being relics from the past used by Heroic Spirits, but rather, representations of how people believed in them, and being the crystallized essence of those beliefs, even if that belief has no physical foundation to support it.
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I guess you're right after all...in the original creation Nasu did hint the difference between a Noble Phantasm and an artifact... Still...before watching F/SN I would never believe any legendary weapon to act like a beam cannon...what's your imagination for an Excalibur before watching F/SN? |
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