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foxbox360 · 2014-07-15, 09:50

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Originally Posted by SOGESNAKE

Also... what is this Sakurai?

I get a feeling that Rule 34 is going to busy with these inspirations.

ACertainStark · 2014-07-15, 10:03

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Originally Posted by foxbox360

I get a feeling that Rule 34 is going to busy with these inspirations.

I hope so!

At least I found I will main Lucina.

Kyero Fox · 2014-07-16, 07:23

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Originally Posted by foxbox360

I get a feeling that Rule 34 is going to busy with these inspirations.

Rule 34 has been at that since Peach showed up in melee along with returning Samus. XD

shadow1296 · 2014-07-16, 16:32

well that was a nice little detail, checkout lucina's left eye

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Kyero Fox · 2014-07-16, 16:34

Daym! any other company would have ignored that,NOT NINTENDO!

Iron Maw · 2014-07-20, 12:31

Looks like this hasn't been posted yet, but Sakurai talked with Famitsu a couple a days made a clarification of why Chrom was left out.

Spoiler for interview:

We've just announced two new characters who will be joining the fray in the upcoming Super Smash Bros. for 3DS and Wii U. One is Robin, the avatar from Fire Emblem: Awakening, and the other is Lucina, a swordswoman who plays an important role in the same title. I'll skip over the details.

"What? Not Chrom!?" I suspect a lot of you will ask. Of course, Chrom is quite popular, being the protagonist of FE:A and all. However, I chose Robin and Lucina, and I will elaborate on my reasoning.

Robin appears in the game as a Tactician and functions much like a Mystic Knight (note: FF terminology, but equivalent to magic swordsman). I thought to utilize his all-around nature by assigning swordplay to his Smash attacks and magic tomes to his special attacks--that is, allow him to use magic.

His neutral special is thunder magic that grows stronger the larger you charge it. He uses fire magic for his side special, and wind magic for recovery as his up special. Although Robin doesn't use dark magic in FE:A, I decided to assign it as his down special. It isn't the first time I've given moves to a character that they don't use in their respective game in order to capture certain aspects of the original title.

I also implemented the system used in FE:A, in which tomes break after overuse. Likewise, I included a similar system for the Levin Sword, which breaks after a certain number of uses. However, both the tomes and the Levin Sword will quickly regenerate after a set period of time.

Lucina uses the same techniques as Marth, a fighter with whom I'm sure most of you are already familiar. I even went so far as to make their strength, speed, and special attacks almost identical. However, what sets Lucina apart is the fact that the strength of her attacks is uniform along the blade. Marth's playstyle emulates the elegant swordplay of a fencer by dealing more damage when he strikes with the tip of his blade, but the damage Lucina deals is evened out. Thus, I think that Lucina will be much easier than Marth for novice players to play with.

I played all the way through FE:A and really wanted to include a character from that rich cast in Smash Bros. Naturally, I considered adding Chrom to the roster, but the decision wasn't easy by any means. At the end of the day, Chrom would just end up being another plain-old sword-wielder like Marth and Ike. Compared with other characters, he lacks any unique characteristics.

Conversely, when the idea of including Robin came to mind, conceiving the character was so easy that I immediately saw how it would work. From standards to specials, grabs to throws, all aspects of his moveset just fell into place. Not only did he possess characteristics unlike other fighters, but he also captured the essence of the Fire Emblem series. It was perfect!

In the end, if a game isn't fun, then there's no point. Of course, it would be really easy to make a game by churning out a ton of similar characters, but that's not how I produce games.

Initially, I had considered including Lucina as one of Marth's alternate costumes. After all, she has a close relationship with him in FE:A. In such cases, even if two characters' names and voices differ, as long as they function the same way, I assign them as alternate costumes. The Wii Fit Trainers, Villagers, and Robin are examples of this setup.

However, even though Lucina shares her physical stats and techniques with Marth, the characteristics of their attacks differ. When two such similar characters function in an even slightly different manner, I give them a separate spot on the roster since that will affect battle records and whatnot. In that sense, you could say she was very lucky to join the fray!

SilverSyko · 2014-08-13, 04:26

Meta Knight is back.

Was he wearing gauntlets in Brawl? I don't think so...

MAX_COLA_POWER! · 2014-08-13, 04:28

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......we are so fucked. Here comes the rage^^;;.

Hachitora · 2014-08-13, 06:15

Oh boy. I hope he gets a significant nerf this time around. I never bothered to learn how to use Meta Knight for Brawl, so I never really knew how OP he was though.

Shadow5YA · 2014-08-13, 11:57

He had arguably the best recovery in Brawl thanks to not only having multiple jumps, a fast up B, and having a glide. You could literally fly under one edge of Final Destination, or even Hyrule Temple and reach the other ledge. Thankfully, gliding has been removed in Smash 4 at least.

His moves were fast, had decent reach, and incredible priority. You could mash his neutral B, Mach Tornado, knowingly spin into a smash attack, and you'll end up beating them.

shadow1296 · 2014-08-19, 21:06

looks like the full roster was leaked today but it might not be real, well this is the leak

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though the only reason i think this leak might be real is the duck hunt dog and as far as i know no one wanted him in smash bros.

frubam · 2014-08-19, 21:25

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Originally Posted by shadow1296

looks like the full roster was leaked today but it might not be real, well this is the leak

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though the only reason i think this leak might be real is the duck hunt dog and as far as i know no one wanted him in smash bros.

Gotta be fake. Why else would Lucina be all the way in the lower right corner away from the rest of the FE chars? Every Smash keeps same-game characters together =0\..

shadow1296 · 2014-08-19, 21:31

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Originally Posted by frubam

Gotta be fake. Why else would Lucina be all the way in the lower right corner away from the rest of the FE chars? Every Smash keeps same-game characters together =0\..

maybe I mean the character right next to her is dark pit but that may be purposeful because they are technically clone characters, but i thought i'd share it, heck this could be sakurai trolling the fans again by letting this be leaked and not confirming its real or not until the games release

SOGESNAKE · 2014-08-20, 00:10

So they didn't bring back Ice Climbers, but put in Duck Hunt and Bowser Jr.? As interesting as it sounds, I'm gonna say fake...

I mean... doesn't the dog want the ducks dead? Why are they both smiling then?

dniv · 2014-08-20, 18:12

http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-new...tfit-for-samus

I thought people would find this interesting. Here's a new Samus outfit. I think it looks rather... *nice.*

It was also apparently designed by a female.

Zeydra · 2014-08-20, 19:32

I can't quiet put my finger on it but that character select screen is rubbing me the wrong way.

Kyero Fox · 2014-08-20, 20:34

It's a photoshop picture, taken by a camra to make it look like captured footage.

Fake

Asuras · 2014-08-20, 20:51

I'd also like to point out they called the Duck Hunt selection Duck Hunt. I don't think they'd straight up call them by their game series' title.

dniv · 2014-08-20, 22:33

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Originally Posted by Asuras

I'd also like to point out they called the Duck Hunt selection Duck Hunt. I don't think they'd straight up call them by their game series' title.

Nor would the English version be the one to leak anyway.

Hachitora · 2014-08-20, 22:51

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Nor would the English version be the one to leak anyway.

That's true. If it was being leaked, it would be from the Japanese version and Bowser's name would be Koopa (or King Koopa I can't remember which)

2014-07-16, 16:32	Link #484
shadow1296 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012	well that was a nice little detail, checkout lucina's left eye Images Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload? __________________ Last edited by shadow1296; 2014-07-16 at 16:42.

2014-07-16, 16:34	Link #485
Kyero Fox Tastes Cloudy Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Snake Way Age: 35	Daym! any other company would have ignored that,NOT NINTENDO! __________________

2014-07-20, 12:31	Link #486
Iron Maw Banned Join Date: Feb 2006	Famitsu Interview Looks like this hasn't been posted yet, but Sakurai talked with Famitsu a couple a days made a clarification of why Chrom was left out. Spoiler for interview: We've just announced two new characters who will be joining the fray in the upcoming Super Smash Bros. for 3DS and Wii U. One is Robin, the avatar from Fire Emblem: Awakening, and the other is Lucina, a swordswoman who plays an important role in the same title. I'll skip over the details. "What? Not Chrom!?" I suspect a lot of you will ask. Of course, Chrom is quite popular, being the protagonist of FE:A and all. However, I chose Robin and Lucina, and I will elaborate on my reasoning. Robin appears in the game as a Tactician and functions much like a Mystic Knight (note: FF terminology, but equivalent to magic swordsman). I thought to utilize his all-around nature by assigning swordplay to his Smash attacks and magic tomes to his special attacks--that is, allow him to use magic. His neutral special is thunder magic that grows stronger the larger you charge it. He uses fire magic for his side special, and wind magic for recovery as his up special. Although Robin doesn't use dark magic in FE:A, I decided to assign it as his down special. It isn't the first time I've given moves to a character that they don't use in their respective game in order to capture certain aspects of the original title. I also implemented the system used in FE:A, in which tomes break after overuse. Likewise, I included a similar system for the Levin Sword, which breaks after a certain number of uses. However, both the tomes and the Levin Sword will quickly regenerate after a set period of time. Lucina uses the same techniques as Marth, a fighter with whom I'm sure most of you are already familiar. I even went so far as to make their strength, speed, and special attacks almost identical. However, what sets Lucina apart is the fact that the strength of her attacks is uniform along the blade. Marth's playstyle emulates the elegant swordplay of a fencer by dealing more damage when he strikes with the tip of his blade, but the damage Lucina deals is evened out. Thus, I think that Lucina will be much easier than Marth for novice players to play with. I played all the way through FE:A and really wanted to include a character from that rich cast in Smash Bros. Naturally, I considered adding Chrom to the roster, but the decision wasn't easy by any means. At the end of the day, Chrom would just end up being another plain-old sword-wielder like Marth and Ike. Compared with other characters, he lacks any unique characteristics. Conversely, when the idea of including Robin came to mind, conceiving the character was so easy that I immediately saw how it would work. From standards to specials, grabs to throws, all aspects of his moveset just fell into place. Not only did he possess characteristics unlike other fighters, but he also captured the essence of the Fire Emblem series. It was perfect! In the end, if a game isn't fun, then there's no point. Of course, it would be really easy to make a game by churning out a ton of similar characters, but that's not how I produce games. Initially, I had considered including Lucina as one of Marth's alternate costumes. After all, she has a close relationship with him in FE:A. In such cases, even if two characters' names and voices differ, as long as they function the same way, I assign them as alternate costumes. The Wii Fit Trainers, Villagers, and Robin are examples of this setup. However, even though Lucina shares her physical stats and techniques with Marth, the characteristics of their attacks differ. When two such similar characters function in an even slightly different manner, I give them a separate spot on the roster since that will affect battle records and whatnot. In that sense, you could say she was very lucky to join the fray!

2014-08-13, 04:26	Link #487
SilverSyko Okuyasu the Bird Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Alberta, Canada Age: 32	Meta Knight is back. Was he wearing gauntlets in Brawl? I don't think so... __________________

2014-08-13, 04:28	Link #488
MAX_COLA_POWER! Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Puerto Rico	Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......we are so fucked. Here comes the rage^^;;. __________________ She's in your internets, watching you masterdebate.

2014-08-13, 06:15	Link #489
Hachitora Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: All up in yo grill (and Texas)	Oh boy. I hope he gets a significant nerf this time around. I never bothered to learn how to use Meta Knight for Brawl, so I never really knew how OP he was though.

2014-08-13, 11:57	Link #490
Shadow5YA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	He had arguably the best recovery in Brawl thanks to not only having multiple jumps, a fast up B, and having a glide. You could literally fly under one edge of Final Destination, or even Hyrule Temple and reach the other ledge. Thankfully, gliding has been removed in Smash 4 at least. His moves were fast, had decent reach, and incredible priority. You could mash his neutral B, Mach Tornado, knowingly spin into a smash attack, and you'll end up beating them.

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shadow1296 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012	looks like the full roster was leaked today but it might not be real, well this is the leak Images Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload? though the only reason i think this leak might be real is the duck hunt dog and as far as i know no one wanted him in smash bros. __________________ Last edited by shadow1296; 2014-08-19 at 21:17.

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SOGESNAKE NEW WORLD BABY~! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Raftel Age: 32	So they didn't bring back Ice Climbers, but put in Duck Hunt and Bowser Jr.? As interesting as it sounds, I'm gonna say fake... I mean... doesn't the dog want the ducks dead? Why are they both smiling then? __________________

2014-08-20, 18:12	Link #495
dniv I’m sorry, Kamijou-san!! Join Date: May 2013 Location: California	http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-new...tfit-for-samus I thought people would find this interesting. Here's a new Samus outfit. I think it looks rather... nice. It was also apparently designed by a female.

2014-08-20, 19:32	Link #496
Zeydra A random passerby Join Date: Jul 2012 Age: 32	I can't quiet put my finger on it but that character select screen is rubbing me the wrong way.

2014-08-20, 20:34	Link #497
Kyero Fox Tastes Cloudy Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Snake Way Age: 35	It's a photoshop picture, taken by a camra to make it look like captured footage. Fake __________________

2014-08-20, 20:51	Link #498
Asuras Dictadere~! Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: On the front lines, fighting for inderpendence.	I'd also like to point out they called the Duck Hunt selection Duck Hunt. I don't think they'd straight up call them by their game series' title. __________________