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Old 2013-04-19, 22:50   Link #1361
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So both go hand in hand then?

What about a single atom? studying chemistry I'm pretty sure it's still attracted to something of opposite charge to itself to achieve 8 electron configuration which means it has something like a magnetic field. But does it exhibit signs of voltage via orbiting electrons?
yes

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Charged particles attract each other almost identicaly as manetic fields attract each other so what you are thinking of is ionic bonding where it is electrical charge that atracks them not magnetic. There would be a voltage diffrence between the 2. but remember for a voltage diffence to happen something has to loose or gain charged particles (electrons or protons) just changeing orbitals will not change the charge of the atom.
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Old 2013-04-19, 22:53   Link #1362
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No atom is completely stable. Not even the noble gases.
They are the most stable of all of them though.

Spontanity of reactions is determined by measurements of free energy (G) compared to heat of reaction (H) and entropy (S).

When was Delta H of every standard element of 0. Where are you citing this?
From THE wiki:
"All elements in their standard states (oxygen gas, solid carbon in the form of graphite, etc.) have a standard enthalpy of formation of zero, as there is no change involved in their formation."
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Old 2013-04-19, 23:03   Link #1363
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bad examples I'd think. Oxygen gas implies O2 which is diatomic meaning it has an established bond which implies it's stable due to already being formed. Graphite is crystal lattice bond.

If an atom stands alone on its own. That is our issue now.
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Old 2013-04-19, 23:18   Link #1364
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bad examples I'd think. Oxygen gas implies O2 which is diatomic meaning it has an established bond which implies it's stable due to already being formed. Graphite is crystal lattice bond.

If an atom stands alone on its own. That is our issue now.
That's what the wiki had...
In any case the same holds true for single atoms as well because they are in their natural state.
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Old 2013-04-19, 23:23   Link #1365
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umm... no. My professors said that natural state indicates most stable state. Oxygen's most stable state is when a diatomic bond is present. O2. Hence when you indicate oxygen in air, you never identify it as just O, it's always O2. When you perform stoichiometric equations with air, you treat moles of oxygen as 32kg/kmol in molecular weight opposed to 16 as indicated by the periodic table. This is because air is normally given to you in mixtures of CO2, O2, CO, N2, H2.

Given these, you divide them according to individual atoms to make things easier to calculate but that doesn't indicate that the atoms literally split into individual atoms. :/

For having diatomic molecules and crystals as examples of stable natural states, it tells us single atom isn't completely stable. Because single atoms are trying to achieve these natural stable states.

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Old 2013-04-20, 09:35   Link #1366
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umm... no. My professors said that natural state indicates most stable state. Oxygen's most stable state is when a diatomic bond is present. O2. Hence when you indicate oxygen in air, you never identify it as just O, it's always O2. When you perform stoichiometric equations with air, you treat moles of oxygen as 32kg/kmol in molecular weight opposed to 16 as indicated by the periodic table. This is because air is normally given to you in mixtures of CO2, O2, CO, N2, H2.

Given these, you divide them according to individual atoms to make things easier to calculate but that doesn't indicate that the atoms literally split into individual atoms. :/

For having diatomic molecules and crystals as examples of stable natural states, it tells us single atom isn't completely stable. Because single atoms are trying to achieve these natural stable states.
I mentioned the diatomics up above and they are exceptions, but they are the only exceptions.
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Old 2013-04-20, 09:40   Link #1367
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I did point out that graphite still doesn't exist as a lone atom right?

I'm pretty sure that's interlinked carbon with crystallizing water. Or at least just pure interlinked carbon. :|
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Old 2013-04-20, 11:56   Link #1368
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I did point out that graphite still doesn't exist as a lone atom right?

I'm pretty sure that's interlinked carbon with crystallizing water. Or at least just pure interlinked carbon. :|
graphite is pure interlinked carbon in hexagonal patterns with "sheets" separated by weak theta electron links.
I just copy and pasted from the wiki so...
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Old 2013-04-20, 12:18   Link #1369
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Not a lone atom then. :/
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Old 2013-04-20, 13:30   Link #1370
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Who is stronger, Accelerator with his full brain or awakened Kakine? ; Angelerator or Gabriel?
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Old 2013-04-20, 13:33   Link #1371
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Who is stronger, Accelerator with his full brain or awakened Kakine? ; Angelerator or Gabriel?
Accelerator in case one and probably Gabriel in case two.
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Old 2013-04-20, 13:34   Link #1372
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In Battle Royale Accelerator didn't nearly kill the Awakened Kakine (Aiho stopped him)?
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Old 2013-04-20, 13:42   Link #1373
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If you are going to compare a full health Accelerator, it should be to Kakine's latest incarnation. In which case it would be a perpetual draw.
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Old 2013-04-20, 13:42   Link #1374
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In Battle Royale Accelerator didn't nearly kill the Awakened Kakine (Aiho stopped him)?
Was he just awakened completely after awakening of Accelerator? Or between half-awakened Kakine and fully awakened Kakine the very small difference in power?

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If you are going to compare a full health Accelerator, it should be to Kakine's latest incarnation.
I hope under the term "Kakine's latest incarnation" you mean the awakened Kakine?
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Old 2013-04-20, 13:44   Link #1375
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Was he just awakened completely after awakening of Accelerator? Or between half-awakened Kakine and fully awakened Kakine the very small difference in power?
After Accelerator awaken

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Old 2013-04-20, 14:07   Link #1376
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After Accelerator awaken

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So because of this we can say that Accelerator with his full brain is stronger than full-awakened Kakine or equal to him on power, right?
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Old 2013-04-20, 14:09   Link #1377
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So because of this we can say that Accelerator with his full brain is stronger than full-awakened Kakine or equal to him on power, right?
I answered how I did because Accelerator is, how would you say... haxxor. His power can't be beaten.
That being said Gabriel is a force of nature and can probably wipe Accelerator from existence if necessary so he could beat even angel-class accelerator.
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Old 2013-04-20, 20:34   Link #1378
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Could Fiamma survive ground zero of a nuclear explosion? Othinus? Ollerus? Aleister? Accelerator?
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Old 2013-04-20, 20:36   Link #1379
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Accelerator can survive the nuclear explosion itself, but the complete lack of oxygen from it being burned up in the blast would quickly suffocate him. He comments on this in both the Railgun manga and the light novels. "I guess surviving a nuclear explosions is right out, huh?"
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Old 2013-04-20, 20:37   Link #1380
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Could Fiamma survive ground zero of a nuclear explosion? Othinus? Ollerus? Aleister? Accelerator?
Anything is possible with Othinus.

Aleister would definitely survive.
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