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Kanon · 2016-03-08, 11:14

So Umibouzu's wife was affected by altana just like Utsuro. I can't imagine how OP she was.

Umibouzu talking to his balls was pretty classic Gintama.

BPD Renegade · 2016-03-08, 22:47

Wow, people who wanted the d*ck jokes back should be pleased.

Seeing Kagura and Kamui's mother was quite the surprise. I wasn't expecting her to have a significant role beyond the exposition of Kamui's background. Instead, we're getting Umibouzu's and more info on altana. If she was like Utsuro though, I wonder how it was possible that she died, unless she's really still alive in some other incarnation... Otherwise, this could have some implications on Utsuro's future.

Ruki0089 · 2016-03-09, 02:59

Damn... Umibouzu was freaking cool!!!

Peanutbutter · 2016-03-11, 11:20

What a touching love story. Umibouzu was pretty GAR and cool-looking in his youth.

As for his wife, imagine Kagura with the mentality of a despondent Tsukuyo.

Stark700 · 2016-03-14, 21:13

Chapter 579:

Ah we got a background story about Kouka (Kagura's mother) this chapter. Now I know where her pretty face came from

Good chapter, really liked how the personality is similar to her daughter as well.

Se7enSword · 2016-03-15, 01:04

That was pretty good!

Why does she have to die :<

BPD Renegade · 2016-03-15, 04:33

Ah, the tale of Umibouzu courting Kouka.

It looks like the Yato siblings got their personalities from Umibouzu and their looks from their mother. She even has the ahoge. Although, I have to admit, I couldn't look at that "hair ornament" without thinking, "Oh lord, Kagura's mom wears a p*n*s sheath too."

Plot-wise, the length of time she spent on Kouan might be the reason why she became ill. I'm curious as to how altana will come into play.

Complete flashback chapter, but quite enjoyable.

Kanon · 2016-03-15, 10:39

It was very fun seeing Umibouzu courting his future wife. I didn't expect him to be so awkward about it.

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Originally Posted by BPD Renegade

Although, I have to admit, I couldn't look at that "hair ornament" without thinking, "Oh lord, Kagura's mom wears a p*n*s sheath too."

I thought the exact same thing

Peanutbutter · 2016-03-16, 09:10

Spoiler for ch 580:

coded321 · 2016-03-19, 11:19

i only just realized now that kouka has the ponytail of death. seriously why do mothers in manga who die always have that ponytail?

Xellos-_^ · 2016-03-19, 15:20

that explains how they will kill gin's master.

ChuckE · 2016-03-19, 15:55

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Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

that explains how they will kill gin's master.

With a kick send him flying to the moon

BlazingKyogre · 2016-03-20, 02:59

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Originally Posted by ChuckE

With a kick send him flying to the moon

Busou Renkin or was it something different?

BPD Renegade · 2016-03-20, 13:07

Hm, Kamui's hatred makes sense now, but it seems he didn't understand that Kouka made that choice knowing she would die. I also didn't quite agree with Umibouzu continuing to blame Kamui for getting into fights. The first time on-panel was fine, but after that, Kamui was taking all the hits, seemingly without fighting back, yet he still reprimands him. The kid is being picked on, and he's not doing anything back. What else is he supposed to do?

The first pages were quite nice though, especially seeing Umibouzu running from those pans with Kamui on his back. Whipped indeed.

Also, baby Kagura!

And this panel is classic Gintama at it's core:

In other developments, I wonder what Harusame was doing on the planet. We'll probably find out next week, but in the meantime, I didn't think Umibouzu had any connections with them until now... It seems there's something more going on than just discovering the truth about his mom that will make Kamui leave. That second to last page where Umibouzu says that he'll leave to save her seems like a big clue though, since Kamui was trying to emulate him up until then. He might have left to follow in his father's footsteps. Perhaps he thought Harusame would have a cure or something?

henshinagogobaby · 2016-04-04, 21:07

Chapter 582 is out:

Spoiler for 582:

- Kamui's rage at his father for "killing his mother" drives him to attack the man. Umibouzu tries to tell Kamui that he found a way to save her but he doesn't listen and in the process, Kamui chops off his father's arm, noting that he will become strong enough to "protect" Kouka. At that point, Umibouzu loses it and proceeds to curb stomp his own son. As we all know, Kagura stops Umibouzu from dealing the final blow but the scene then continues to show that Kouka pushes herself to go outside in an attempt to stop the fighting. It's implied that at that point, her illness finally takes its toll on her body and she dies shortly afterward. Kamui drags himself away during the distraction as both father and son look devastated over what happened to their once happy family.
- Meanwhile back in the present, whatever advantage Kagura had over Kamui is gone as Kamui proceeds to wipe the floor with Kagura and ends the battle by repeatedly slamming his fists into her body and burying her under rubble. As he does so, he gives us a sad little smile and tells Kagura to never appear before him again, as her voice, face and mannerisms remind him too much of his mom. He also notes that since his mother is gone, all he has left is "getting stronger" and "surpassing his old man".
- Abuto is witnessing the clash between Umibouzu and Utsuro and is too afraid to move, noting how he's like a frog watching a snake or in this case, watching a pair of dragons. At this point, the battle becomes one of attrition, as only one fighter will remain standing and both combatants are so powerful that there isn't any way to land a blow without taking damage themselves; Abuto compares this to eating each others "tails". But it's useless with Utsuro as he keeps healing from any damage inflicted and Umibouzu is figuratively "devouring his own tail" by keeping up this fight.
- The chapter finally ends when Umibouzu allows Utsuro to stab him in order for the crafty Yato to pierce the crow's heart and reveals that he embedded an "Altana crystal" within. These crystals were the main reasons why Umibouzu kept venturing out and leaving his family for days on end for; to prolong his wife's life until he could find a more "permanent" cure. However, since Utsuro received Altana on Earth, the Altana crystal that was meant for his wife will instead drain Utsuro of all his power and immortality, thus allowing for the possibility of his death at long last. Utsuro then collapses as blood starts to fountain from his chest...

What will happen now? Did Utsuro really die or did Umibouzu sacrifice himself for nothing? Or did Umibouzu die in order to give Gintoki and his friends a fighting chance to finally take down their old teacher for good? What about Kamui? Is Kagura out of the fight and is Gintoki going to take over to finally give Kamui (and the fans) the fight we're all waiting for? Or will Kagura will herself to continue and take down her brother's idiotic rampage for once and for all?

Peanutbutter · 2016-04-05, 08:15

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Originally Posted by henshinagogobaby

Chapter 582 is out:

Spoiler for 582:

- Kamui's rage at his father for "killing his mother" drives him to attack the man. Umibouzu tries to tell Kamui that he found a way to save her but he doesn't listen and in the process, Kamui chops off his father's arm, noting that he will become strong enough to "protect" Kouka. At that point, Umibouzu loses it and proceeds to curb stomp his own son. As we all know, Kagura stops Umibouzu from dealing the final blow but the scene then continues to show that Kouka pushes herself to go outside in an attempt to stop the fighting. It's implied that at that point, her illness finally takes its toll on her body and she dies shortly afterward. Kamui drags himself away during the distraction as both father and son look devastated over what happened to their once happy family.
- Meanwhile back in the present, whatever advantage Kagura had over Kamui is gone as Kamui proceeds to wipe the floor with Kagura and ends the battle by repeatedly slamming his fists into her body and burying her under rubble. As he does so, he gives us a sad little smile and tells Kagura to never appear before him again, as her voice, face and mannerisms remind him too much of his mom. He also notes that since his mother is gone, all he has left is "getting stronger" and "surpassing his old man".
- Abuto is witnessing the clash between Umibouzu and Utsuro and is too afraid to move, noting how he's like a frog watching a snake or in this case, watching a pair of dragons. At this point, the battle becomes one of attrition, as only one fighter will remain standing and both combatants are so powerful that there isn't any way to land a blow without taking damage themselves; Abuto compares this to eating each others "tails". But it's useless with Utsuro as he keeps healing from any damage inflicted and Umibouzu is figuratively "devouring his own tail" by keeping up this fight.
- The chapter finally ends when Umibouzu allows Utsuro to stab him in order for the crafty Yato to pierce the crow's heart and reveals that he embedded an "Altana crystal" within. These crystals were the main reasons why Umibouzu kept venturing out and leaving his family for days on end for; to prolong his wife's life until he could find a more "permanent" cure. However, since Utsuro received Altana on Earth, the Altana crystal that was meant for his wife will instead drain Utsuro of all his power and immortality, thus allowing for the possibility of his death at long last. Utsuro then collapses as blood starts to fountain from his chest...

What will happen now? Did Utsuro really die or did Umibouzu sacrifice himself for nothing? Or did Umibouzu die in order to give Gintoki and his friends a fighting chance to finally take down their old teacher for good? What about Kamui? Is Kagura out of the fight and is Gintoki going to take over to finally give Kamui (and the fans) the fight we're all waiting for? Or will Kagura will herself to continue and take down her brother's idiotic rampage for once and for all?

Spoiler for prediction:

Kanon · 2016-04-05, 13:02

Utsuro is definitely not dead. He's an opponent only Gintoki and Takasugi are allowed to take out. Umibouzu will only weaken him.

Utsuro is even more of a monster than I thought. He had little trouble keeping up with the strongest Yato.

BPD Renegade · 2016-04-05, 19:59

^ Don't forget Zura. He hasn't been on standby for ages now.

I think with this Yato arc, we have pretty much everyone's backstory except for Utsuro and Oboro, which I suppose we'll finally get once the last arc starts. I liked Umibouzu and Kouka's story, but I'm not sure how I feel about Kamui. On one hand, we get to see that despite all that power, he's actually quite frail emotionally, but I don't see how Gorilla-sensei is going to wrap up his arc. I really don't want it to be a sudden change of heart after Umibouzu dies protecting him from Utsuro or something along those lines, since that would seem so incredibly cliché. I already didn't quite like how Takasugi's awakening was handled, with him just happening to know the situation already. I suppose after the last two arcs, my standard for Gorilla-sensei increased to a ridiculously high level that I haven't quite been satisfied with the execution lately, despite there still being great moments every chapter.

I don't know. Is it just me or is anyone else feeling this as well?

Xellos-_^ · 2016-04-06, 01:22

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Originally Posted by BPD Renegade

^ Don't forget Zura. He hasn't been on standby for ages now.

and the 5th man.

mark my words it will be the 5th man who deal the final blow.

BPD Renegade · 2016-04-06, 11:30

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Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

and the 5th man.

mark my words it will be the 5th man who deal the final blow.

Darn, you're right! I completely forgot about him again!

But was Kurokono a student of Shouyo? The world may never know. ~~Or has long forgotten.~~

2016-03-08, 11:14	Link #1021
Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 37	So Umibouzu's wife was affected by altana just like Utsuro. I can't imagine how OP she was. Umibouzu talking to his balls was pretty classic Gintama. __________________

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Ruki0089 Yandere Otoko Ruki-tan Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Earth 616	Damn... Umibouzu was freaking cool!!! __________________

2016-03-14, 21:13	Link #1025
Stark700 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Somewhere on Earth	Chapter 579: Ah we got a background story about Kouka (Kagura's mother) this chapter. Now I know where her pretty face came from Good chapter, really liked how the personality is similar to her daughter as well. __________________

2016-03-15, 01:04	Link #1026
Se7enSword Swordsman Extraordinaire Join Date: Aug 2008	That was pretty good! Why does she have to die :< __________________

2016-03-16, 09:10	Link #1029
Peanutbutter Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007	Spoiler for ch 580: Oh dear, looks like we finally see why Kamui hates his father so much that he wants to kill him. Spoiler for you sure you want to read?: Kamui blames Umibouzu for causing the death of his mother. Apparently, Kouka (Umibouzu's wife) needs the altana in Kouan to live. But because she left the planet with Umibouzu, she slowly loses her lifeline. It's like plucking a flower from the soil from where it grows. Take it out and it dies.

2016-03-08, 22:47	Link #1022
BPD Renegade Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: at port, docked	Wow, people who wanted the d*ck jokes back should be pleased. Seeing Kagura and Kamui's mother was quite the surprise. I wasn't expecting her to have a significant role beyond the exposition of Kamui's background. Instead, we're getting Umibouzu's and more info on altana. If she was like Utsuro though, I wonder how it was possible that she died, unless she's really still alive in some other incarnation... Otherwise, this could have some implications on Utsuro's future.

2016-03-11, 11:20	Link #1024
Peanutbutter Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007	What a touching love story. Umibouzu was pretty GAR and cool-looking in his youth. As for his wife, imagine Kagura with the mentality of a despondent Tsukuyo.

2016-03-15, 04:33	Link #1027
BPD Renegade Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: at port, docked	Ah, the tale of Umibouzu courting Kouka. It looks like the Yato siblings got their personalities from Umibouzu and their looks from their mother. She even has the ahoge. Although, I have to admit, I couldn't look at that "hair ornament" without thinking, "Oh lord, Kagura's mom wears a pns sheath too." Plot-wise, the length of time she spent on Kouan might be the reason why she became ill. I'm curious as to how altana will come into play. Complete flashback chapter, but quite enjoyable.

2016-03-19, 11:19	Link #1030
coded321 He Who Games Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: the virtual world	i only just realized now that kouka has the ponytail of death. seriously why do mothers in manga who die always have that ponytail?

2016-03-19, 15:20	Link #1031
Xellos-_^ Not Enough Sleep Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: R'lyeh Age: 48	that explains how they will kill gin's master. __________________

2016-03-20, 13:07	Link #1034
BPD Renegade Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: at port, docked	Hm, Kamui's hatred makes sense now, but it seems he didn't understand that Kouka made that choice knowing she would die. I also didn't quite agree with Umibouzu continuing to blame Kamui for getting into fights. The first time on-panel was fine, but after that, Kamui was taking all the hits, seemingly without fighting back, yet he still reprimands him. The kid is being picked on, and he's not doing anything back. What else is he supposed to do? The first pages were quite nice though, especially seeing Umibouzu running from those pans with Kamui on his back. Whipped indeed. Also, baby Kagura! And this panel is classic Gintama at it's core: In other developments, I wonder what Harusame was doing on the planet. We'll probably find out next week, but in the meantime, I didn't think Umibouzu had any connections with them until now... It seems there's something more going on than just discovering the truth about his mom that will make Kamui leave. That second to last page where Umibouzu says that he'll leave to save her seems like a big clue though, since Kamui was trying to emulate him up until then. He might have left to follow in his father's footsteps. Perhaps he thought Harusame would have a cure or something?

2016-04-04, 21:07	Link #1035
henshinagogobaby Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2015	Chapter 582 is out: Spoiler for 582: - Kamui's rage at his father for "killing his mother" drives him to attack the man. Umibouzu tries to tell Kamui that he found a way to save her but he doesn't listen and in the process, Kamui chops off his father's arm, noting that he will become strong enough to "protect" Kouka. At that point, Umibouzu loses it and proceeds to curb stomp his own son. As we all know, Kagura stops Umibouzu from dealing the final blow but the scene then continues to show that Kouka pushes herself to go outside in an attempt to stop the fighting. It's implied that at that point, her illness finally takes its toll on her body and she dies shortly afterward. Kamui drags himself away during the distraction as both father and son look devastated over what happened to their once happy family. - Meanwhile back in the present, whatever advantage Kagura had over Kamui is gone as Kamui proceeds to wipe the floor with Kagura and ends the battle by repeatedly slamming his fists into her body and burying her under rubble. As he does so, he gives us a sad little smile and tells Kagura to never appear before him again, as her voice, face and mannerisms remind him too much of his mom. He also notes that since his mother is gone, all he has left is "getting stronger" and "surpassing his old man". - Abuto is witnessing the clash between Umibouzu and Utsuro and is too afraid to move, noting how he's like a frog watching a snake or in this case, watching a pair of dragons. At this point, the battle becomes one of attrition, as only one fighter will remain standing and both combatants are so powerful that there isn't any way to land a blow without taking damage themselves; Abuto compares this to eating each others "tails". But it's useless with Utsuro as he keeps healing from any damage inflicted and Umibouzu is figuratively "devouring his own tail" by keeping up this fight. - The chapter finally ends when Umibouzu allows Utsuro to stab him in order for the crafty Yato to pierce the crow's heart and reveals that he embedded an "Altana crystal" within. These crystals were the main reasons why Umibouzu kept venturing out and leaving his family for days on end for; to prolong his wife's life until he could find a more "permanent" cure. However, since Utsuro received Altana on Earth, the Altana crystal that was meant for his wife will instead drain Utsuro of all his power and immortality, thus allowing for the possibility of his death at long last. Utsuro then collapses as blood starts to fountain from his chest... What will happen now? Did Utsuro really die or did Umibouzu sacrifice himself for nothing? Or did Umibouzu die in order to give Gintoki and his friends a fighting chance to finally take down their old teacher for good? What about Kamui? Is Kagura out of the fight and is Gintoki going to take over to finally give Kamui (and the fans) the fight we're all waiting for? Or will Kagura will herself to continue and take down her brother's idiotic rampage for once and for all? __________________ If fighting could provide us with the truth, nobody would make any mistakes in their lives. A person's life is not that easy. The truth you must learn from yourself, from how you live your life. Anyone can die. It's living that requires courage. You will not touch these innocent people with even one inch of your dirty blades, if you require an opponent, I will fight you. If you wanna taste the ground, feel free to attack me. -Rurouni Kenshin Last edited by henshinagogobaby; 2016-04-04 at 21:24.

2016-04-05, 13:02	Link #1037
Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 37	Utsuro is definitely not dead. He's an opponent only Gintoki and Takasugi are allowed to take out. Umibouzu will only weaken him. Utsuro is even more of a monster than I thought. He had little trouble keeping up with the strongest Yato. __________________

2016-04-05, 19:59	Link #1038
BPD Renegade Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: at port, docked	^ Don't forget Zura. He hasn't been on standby for ages now. I think with this Yato arc, we have pretty much everyone's backstory except for Utsuro and Oboro, which I suppose we'll finally get once the last arc starts. I liked Umibouzu and Kouka's story, but I'm not sure how I feel about Kamui. On one hand, we get to see that despite all that power, he's actually quite frail emotionally, but I don't see how Gorilla-sensei is going to wrap up his arc. I really don't want it to be a sudden change of heart after Umibouzu dies protecting him from Utsuro or something along those lines, since that would seem so incredibly cliché. I already didn't quite like how Takasugi's awakening was handled, with him just happening to know the situation already. I suppose after the last two arcs, my standard for Gorilla-sensei increased to a ridiculously high level that I haven't quite been satisfied with the execution lately, despite there still being great moments every chapter. I don't know. Is it just me or is anyone else feeling this as well?