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Brief spoilers have been released from what I could tell...though I couldn't find any confirmed translations yet. Still, it's obviously only a matter of time. So enjoy the discussion.

konart · 2011-12-07, 07:55

The chapter is out...

Spoiler for well...:

Squarecrow · 2011-12-07, 08:14

That was thoroughly unsatisfying.

ronin myael · 2011-12-07, 08:38

so let me get this straight, if your parent was attacked by a hollow but somehow survived before you were born, you get fullbringer powers and a hollow side? whatever happened to aizen experimenting on his fellow shinigami, turning them into vizards? does this mean that shinji and others also have hollow-sides because their parents were attacked by hollows and they could have gained fullbringer powers too but somehow didn't? so that deal about ichigo gaining back his shinigami powers after he was stripped by byakuya, that almost turned him into a hollow in the process was for nothing? i thought that was the reason why he has a hollow side. i don't get it. i'm confused.

so the captains knew about the substitute shinigami, they encountered someone like ichigo before. but it makes me wonder why they seemed so surprised by his existence when he first showed up in soul society. why were they so surprised by his powers when they encountered someone just like him? there should have been a hint there, like maybe one of the captains mentioning another powerful human who somehow gained shinigami powers. instead, what we got was a hint about ichigo resembling kaien, that's why rukia seemed so attached to him. this whole thing feels like a huge ass-pull to me. sorry kubo, it just doesn't add up.

james0246 · 2011-12-07, 08:48

Wait, 1,000,000 years...? Is that a joke or a bad translation?

Aqua Knight · 2011-12-07, 09:11

What is disappointing that now there's no special moments in the fights
Just some sword hack-n-slash, random cero/GT and blocking of that cero, then condemning look in Ichigo's eyes and 1 slash to defeat(not kill) the enemy.

Akashin · 2011-12-07, 09:22

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Originally Posted by james0246

Wait, 1,000,000 years...? Is that a joke or a bad translation?

I figured it was more a phrase than a real statistic, though now that you mention it I'm not so sure...

Anyway, chapter as a whole was about par for the course for Bleach. Not really a whole lot else to say there.

Haak · 2011-12-07, 09:30

A lot of flimsy melodrama, especially Ginjou's last bit which was barely comprehensible, but I'm just glad it's over.

Kyero Fox · 2011-12-07, 09:51

I second the misstranslated claims, atleast when hitsu says "I'm glad he followed ginjo"

~Yami~ · 2011-12-07, 09:55

yawn! so... the arc is end??? then what's next??? is it an ending of Bleach??

GDB · 2011-12-07, 10:02

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Originally Posted by Kyero Fox

I second the misstranslated claims, atleast when hitsu says "I'm glad he followed ginjo"

I don't think that's a bad translation, so much as it is bad wording. The basic idea behind it isn't "to follow in one's path", but rather "to be one's successor". So basically, he's glad that Ichigo was the next one to become a substitute shinigami, as he's revolutionized the Shinigami's way of thinking.

Or something along those lines.

Kafriel · 2011-12-07, 10:11

I think it's more like, he's the one who chased him. Anyways, Ginjou is proved wrong again, still no idea as to how he came to know about Ichigo, all the while skipping the changes he's accomplished within SS.

Sasukemaru · 2011-12-07, 10:39

I swear out of all the manga/anime bleach has the absolute worst fans. All you "fans" ever do is complain. That being said, bleach is what it is. It has and will never change, if you want a story go read a book, if you want to see non stop fighting sprinkled with dialogue read bleach. Does anybody know if ichigo is fighting on the same level as he was when he fought aizen?

Kafriel · 2011-12-07, 10:45

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I swear out of all the manga/anime bleach has the absolute worst fans. All you "fans" ever do is complain.

LoP says hi...and flaming the fans, wtf.

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Does anybody know if ichigo is fighting on the same level as he was when he fought aizen?

Seems to be much lower; he only negated Ginjou's cero with his own and his initial swing didn't cause as much damage.

Akashin · 2011-12-07, 10:49

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Seems to be much lower; he only negated Ginjou's cero with his own and his initial swing didn't cause as much damage.

I'm guessing his current level to be somewhere between his old Bankai and his strength when he was a Vizard. Hard to accurately say for sure, though, without an old character to measure against.

And Sasukemaru, claiming fans are at fault for expecting a good story (or a story at all)... Nice logic really.

Sasukemaru · 2011-12-07, 11:00

Yeah I thought he was weaker, who knows though. I really don't see the point in people getting all butt hurt about me calling it how it is. The fans are overly critical, that isn't me "blaming them". Just a simple observation, bleach has been this way since day one, so it's pointless to say how horrible a chapter is 476 times, just quit reading it. THAT, is logical.

Haak · 2011-12-07, 11:07

We're just making simple observations too, LoP. Bleach is shite. No need to get butt hurt over everyone calling it like it is...

Sasukemaru · 2011-12-07, 11:16

Don't know who LoP is, so please don't involve me in one of your net feuds, it's a bad look. Also if you don't like it then why read it? You're the one getting all sensitive here pal. Bleach is in the same class as dbz, action > story. If you haven't figured that out by now I really don't know what to tell you, if you want all story read death note, if you want story > action, read naruto or code geass. That's all the advice I can really give you.

ronin myael · 2011-12-07, 11:19

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Originally Posted by Sasukemaru

Yeah I thought he was weaker, who knows though. I really don't see the point in people getting all butt hurt about me calling it how it is. The fans are overly critical, that isn't me "blaming them". Just a simple observation, bleach has been this way since day one, so it's pointless to say how horrible a chapter is 476 times, just quit reading it. THAT, is logical.

hmmm... i disagree. bleach was not like this from day one. bleach was good once upon a time, at least in my book.

and if we complain about bleach it's our right as readers, just like it's your right to defend it or to tell us off for complaining. that's all there is to it. people will complain if there's something to complain about, it's human nature. if there's nothing to complain about, they will shut up.

Calca · 2011-12-07, 11:20

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Wait, 1,000,000 years...? Is that a joke or a bad translation?

Behold! Yama-ji's true age!

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konart Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Moscow, RU Age: 35	The chapter is out... Spoiler for well...: Just as planned... I guess all is left is Ginjou's decision. __________________

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Squarecrow Supreme Ruler of Crowatia Join Date: Jun 2009 Age: 33	That was thoroughly unsatisfying. __________________ http://www.anime-planet.com/users/LordCrow

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ronin myael lost ronin Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: in the recesses of my convoluted mind...	so let me get this straight, if your parent was attacked by a hollow but somehow survived before you were born, you get fullbringer powers and a hollow side? whatever happened to aizen experimenting on his fellow shinigami, turning them into vizards? does this mean that shinji and others also have hollow-sides because their parents were attacked by hollows and they could have gained fullbringer powers too but somehow didn't? so that deal about ichigo gaining back his shinigami powers after he was stripped by byakuya, that almost turned him into a hollow in the process was for nothing? i thought that was the reason why he has a hollow side. i don't get it. i'm confused. so the captains knew about the substitute shinigami, they encountered someone like ichigo before. but it makes me wonder why they seemed so surprised by his existence when he first showed up in soul society. why were they so surprised by his powers when they encountered someone just like him? there should have been a hint there, like maybe one of the captains mentioning another powerful human who somehow gained shinigami powers. instead, what we got was a hint about ichigo resembling kaien, that's why rukia seemed so attached to him. this whole thing feels like a huge ass-pull to me. sorry kubo, it just doesn't add up. __________________ "Sometimes you wake up. Sometimes the fall kills you. And sometimes, when you fall, you fly."~ Neil Gaiman (The Sandman) Last edited by ronin myael; 2011-12-07 at 08:49.

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Aqua Knight Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Age: 31	What is disappointing that now there's no special moments in the fights Just some sword hack-n-slash, random cero/GT and blocking of that cero, then condemning look in Ichigo's eyes and 1 slash to defeat(not kill) the enemy. __________________ I can’t sleep tonight…fish girl, sing me a song!

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Haak Me, An Intellectual Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: UK Age: 33	A lot of flimsy melodrama, especially Ginjou's last bit which was barely comprehensible, but I'm just glad it's over. __________________ MAL \| AnimeSuki Choice Awards 2020 Winners

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james0246 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: East Cupcake	Wait, 1,000,000 years...? Is that a joke or a bad translation?

2011-12-07, 09:51	Link #9
Kyero Fox Tastes Cloudy Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Snake Way Age: 35	I second the misstranslated claims, atleast when hitsu says "I'm glad he followed ginjo" __________________

2011-12-07, 09:55	Link #10
~Yami~ a random Indonesian otaku Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Xanadu Age: 32	yawn! so... the arc is end??? then what's next??? is it an ending of Bleach??

2011-12-07, 10:11	Link #12
Kafriel Senior Guest Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Athens (GMT+2) Age: 35	I think it's more like, he's the one who chased him. Anyways, Ginjou is proved wrong again, still no idea as to how he came to know about Ichigo, all the while skipping the changes he's accomplished within SS.

2011-12-07, 10:39	Link #13
Sasukemaru Banned Join Date: Dec 2011	I swear out of all the manga/anime bleach has the absolute worst fans. All you "fans" ever do is complain. That being said, bleach is what it is. It has and will never change, if you want a story go read a book, if you want to see non stop fighting sprinkled with dialogue read bleach. Does anybody know if ichigo is fighting on the same level as he was when he fought aizen?

2011-12-07, 11:00	Link #16
Sasukemaru Banned Join Date: Dec 2011	Yeah I thought he was weaker, who knows though. I really don't see the point in people getting all butt hurt about me calling it how it is. The fans are overly critical, that isn't me "blaming them". Just a simple observation, bleach has been this way since day one, so it's pointless to say how horrible a chapter is 476 times, just quit reading it. THAT, is logical.

2011-12-07, 11:07	Link #17
Haak Me, An Intellectual Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: UK Age: 33	We're just making simple observations too, LoP. Bleach is shite. No need to get butt hurt over everyone calling it like it is... __________________ MAL \| AnimeSuki Choice Awards 2020 Winners

2011-12-07, 11:16	Link #18
Sasukemaru Banned Join Date: Dec 2011	Don't know who LoP is, so please don't involve me in one of your net feuds, it's a bad look. Also if you don't like it then why read it? You're the one getting all sensitive here pal. Bleach is in the same class as dbz, action > story. If you haven't figured that out by now I really don't know what to tell you, if you want all story read death note, if you want story > action, read naruto or code geass. That's all the advice I can really give you.