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Juvyniled · 2007-08-10, 22:33

I think it's rather opposite for Suzaku's case: fighting against Britannia would be much easier since there would be no holds barred, or less restraint for him. If he had turned to the side of the rebels, he'd likely have fallen into the JLF category and held bystanders hostage to promote his cause. But on the Britannian side... he is not going to hunt down innocent Elevens to stop the rebels. The motivation behind his plan, however, is weak because he doesn't know the empire of Britannia all too well. That is pure naivete.

evil|plushie · 2007-08-11, 01:15

I don't think its a matter of which side would be easier for Suzaku. Rather he HAS to join britiannia if only to mentally justify what he did in the past, while seeking death and redemption.

HunterRequiem · 2007-08-11, 01:24

My point. If he was stronger, perhaps he could put his father's death aside and fight for his country.

Yui- · 2007-08-11, 04:38

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The second I hate that stupid lesbian Nana, she pissed me off so much I wanted to shoot her with a gun myself. She keep calling Japanese Eleven she pissed me off every time she said that. She kept looking down on Japanese like a person looking at a garbage or something. I hope they kill her right away in the next season.

I agree, Nina's actions came to me as a surprise. Since she appears to be very intelligent I would never have believed her to be so vulgar. I mean, she really should know better, shouldn't she? I say that under that cowardly, shy facade she is really a brutal piece of s**t...

Var · 2007-08-11, 06:39

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My point. If he was stronger, perhaps he could put his father's death aside and fight for his country.

Problem is, he killed his father. If he were able to just put it aside would make him more of a hypocrite. The moment he starts fighting against Britannia, he admits that his father was correct and that he killed him for no reason... making most of his life up to that point... pointless.

evil|plushie · 2007-08-11, 07:57

Actually, I don't think it would make him more of a hypocrite. It would probably be a sign that his mental health is recovering. But alas, I don't think he'll ever be able to put it aside -_-

Var · 2007-08-11, 08:10

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Actually, I don't think it would make him more of a hypocrite. It would probably be a sign that his mental health is recovering. But alas, I don't think he'll ever be able to put it aside -_-

You are probably right. Now that I think about it, if he were able to come to put it behind him he might actually become more sane and less of a hypocrite.

HunterRequiem · 2007-08-11, 18:49

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I agree, Nina's actions came to me as a surprise. Since she appears to be very intelligent I would never have believed her to be so vulgar. I mean, she really should know better, shouldn't she? I say that under that cowardly, shy facade she is really a brutal piece of s**t...

You have to remember, Nina seems to have been put through some sort of extremely traumatic experience involving numbers. Milly mentions this on the train in the hotel-jacking episode. Also, you can only imagine the propaganda put out by the britanian government against numbers.

evil|plushie · 2007-08-12, 01:13

I'm not sure anything that Sunrise does could redeem Nina in the eyes of fans. I think she's almost universally hated by people who watch Code Geass.

HunterRequiem · 2007-08-12, 02:28

Certainly, I don't particularly like her character, I'm just mounting the small amount of defense afforded to her by the writers

The least we can do is consider all the evidence. Heck, Ill even throw in my own opinion. She should have stayed with her computer simulations and not bothered with romance at all.

Shadow Miko · 2007-08-12, 19:11

Eh. Nina was alright. I didn't hate her. But I suspect you were supposed to not be on the side of Britiannia but I was. So maybe that's why I don't hate her.

I do however hate Kallen/Karen. I cannot stand her. I think she's overrated and was a peice of eyecandy. She did do alot and was crucial to the plot in some ways but those spots could have been filled without her. I know somebody is going to try and have me hunted down for that little comment but I just don't like her.

Juvyniled · 2007-08-12, 21:24

I wouldn't really describe her character as overrated since she was really the champion of the Knights prior to them acquiring the Gawain. But she really is just a piece of eyecandy. Imagine replacing her with an average looking girl with the same determination, same zeal, etc. and there wouldn't that much of a hype over her.

But for Kallen's character, there's really nothing left in terms of complexity. She will no longer cast any doubts about her position relative to what Suzaku is doing (having second thoughts since the Elevens showed signs of admiration), though there may be a potential conflict (of ideals) between her and Lelouch.

Blue_Mercy · 2007-08-12, 22:22

I always enjoyed Kallen's character not just because of eye candy, but because while Lelouch was the brains Kallen was the muscle. Complete opposites even down to their reasons for fighting. Lelouch is avenging his mother while fighting to create a world for his sister. Kallen is fighting to avenge her brother while creating a safe world for her mother.

Terrestrial Dream · 2007-08-12, 22:42

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Eh. Nina was alright. I didn't hate her. But I suspect you were supposed to not be on the side of Britiannia but I was. So maybe that's why I don't hate her.

I do however hate Kallen/Karen. I cannot stand her. I think she's overrated and was a peice of eyecandy. She did do alot and was crucial to the plot in some ways but those spots could have been filled without her. I know somebody is going to try and have me hunted down for that little comment but I just don't like her.

I really hated Nina she had almost zero purpose in the story I don't even get why they made her, and well I really don't like Britannia (especailly those damn royal family, yes even Euphie annyoed me) I guess that kinda increased my hate towards to Nina more. Now for Karen I actually liked her as Blue_Mercy mentioned she actually has a motivation for fighting and because of that I respect her.

evil|plushie · 2007-08-13, 00:46

They needed someone to come up with a nuke and threaten to blow up everyone in Tokyo -_-

Terrestrial Dream · 2007-08-13, 23:45

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They needed someone to come up with a nuke and threaten to blow up everyone in Tokyo -_-

I think they could have done without that part.

evil|plushie · 2007-08-14, 04:58

In reality, it's like Nina's char was created for the sole purpose of starring in all the shit scenes. Need someone to be racist against 11s? Nina. Need someone to hump a table? Nina. Need someone to be a creepy obsessive stalker? Nina. Need someone to build a nuke and then threaten to kill everyone? Nina.

anti-random · 2007-08-14, 05:56

Hit the spot with the Nina character evil plushie, but don't you need a character like Nina in an anime like this. I mean the thing is about discrimination and stuff and in that kind of show you need a character like Nina to show how the extreme (bit less) side thinks and acts. That is why the character of Nina exists. But i hope she blows herself up in some hell-hole in the middle of nowhere.

Var · 2007-08-14, 08:54

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Hit the spot with the Nina character evil plushie, but don't you need a character like Nina in an anime like this. I mean the thing is about discrimination and stuff and in that kind of show you need a character like Nina to show how the extreme (bit less) side thinks and acts. That is why the character of Nina exists. But i hope she blows herself up in some hell-hole in the middle of nowhere.

Its understandable that they make her represent racism, but they didn't need to tack on all the other things too. She was simply given all the negative aspects of life in that universe, making her very much so unappealing or likable... maybe one could pity her.

foreverdissevered · 2007-10-28, 12:47

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2007-08-11, 01:15	Link #22
evil\|plushie The Last Frontier Join Date: Apr 2004	I don't think its a matter of which side would be easier for Suzaku. Rather he HAS to join britiannia if only to mentally justify what he did in the past, while seeking death and redemption. __________________ God is on the side with the biggest cannon. http://sining83.blogspot.com

2007-08-11, 07:57	Link #26
evil\|plushie The Last Frontier Join Date: Apr 2004	Actually, I don't think it would make him more of a hypocrite. It would probably be a sign that his mental health is recovering. But alas, I don't think he'll ever be able to put it aside -_- __________________ God is on the side with the biggest cannon. http://sining83.blogspot.com

2007-08-12, 01:13	Link #29
evil\|plushie The Last Frontier Join Date: Apr 2004	I'm not sure anything that Sunrise does could redeem Nina in the eyes of fans. I think she's almost universally hated by people who watch Code Geass. __________________ God is on the side with the biggest cannon. http://sining83.blogspot.com

2007-08-12, 19:11	Link #31
Shadow Miko ASuki's #1 Virgillia fan~ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Moriya Shrine, Gensokyo Age: 31	Eh. Nina was alright. I didn't hate her. But I suspect you were supposed to not be on the side of Britiannia but I was. So maybe that's why I don't hate her. I do however hate Kallen/Karen. I cannot stand her. I think she's overrated and was a peice of eyecandy. She did do alot and was crucial to the plot in some ways but those spots could have been filled without her. I know somebody is going to try and have me hunted down for that little comment but I just don't like her. __________________ WAS Hanyuu's biggest fangirl, my heart belongs to Virgillia now. <3 Loli Salad - A blog of epic-proportions!

2007-08-13, 00:46	Link #35
evil\|plushie The Last Frontier Join Date: Apr 2004	They needed someone to come up with a nuke and threaten to blow up everyone in Tokyo -_- __________________ God is on the side with the biggest cannon. http://sining83.blogspot.com

2007-08-10, 22:33	Link #21
Juvyniled Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: California Age: 36	I think it's rather opposite for Suzaku's case: fighting against Britannia would be much easier since there would be no holds barred, or less restraint for him. If he had turned to the side of the rebels, he'd likely have fallen into the JLF category and held bystanders hostage to promote his cause. But on the Britannian side... he is not going to hunt down innocent Elevens to stop the rebels. The motivation behind his plan, however, is weak because he doesn't know the empire of Britannia all too well. That is pure naivete.

2007-08-11, 01:24	Link #23
HunterRequiem Resident cynic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Salinas, CA Age: 35	My point. If he was stronger, perhaps he could put his father's death aside and fight for his country.

2007-08-12, 02:28	Link #30
HunterRequiem Resident cynic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Salinas, CA Age: 35	Certainly, I don't particularly like her character, I'm just mounting the small amount of defense afforded to her by the writers The least we can do is consider all the evidence. Heck, Ill even throw in my own opinion. She should have stayed with her computer simulations and not bothered with romance at all.

2007-08-12, 21:24	Link #32
Juvyniled Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: California Age: 36	I wouldn't really describe her character as overrated since she was really the champion of the Knights prior to them acquiring the Gawain. But she really is just a piece of eyecandy. Imagine replacing her with an average looking girl with the same determination, same zeal, etc. and there wouldn't that much of a hype over her. But for Kallen's character, there's really nothing left in terms of complexity. She will no longer cast any doubts about her position relative to what Suzaku is doing (having second thoughts since the Elevens showed signs of admiration), though there may be a potential conflict (of ideals) between her and Lelouch.

2007-08-12, 22:22	Link #33
Blue_Mercy Veteran Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Blue Raider Nation Age: 38	I always enjoyed Kallen's character not just because of eye candy, but because while Lelouch was the brains Kallen was the muscle. Complete opposites even down to their reasons for fighting. Lelouch is avenging his mother while fighting to create a world for his sister. Kallen is fighting to avenge her brother while creating a safe world for her mother.

2007-08-14, 04:58	Link #37
evil\|plushie The Last Frontier Join Date: Apr 2004	In reality, it's like Nina's char was created for the sole purpose of starring in all the shit scenes. Need someone to be racist against 11s? Nina. Need someone to hump a table? Nina. Need someone to be a creepy obsessive stalker? Nina. Need someone to build a nuke and then threaten to kill everyone? Nina. __________________ God is on the side with the biggest cannon. http://sining83.blogspot.com

2007-08-14, 05:56	Link #38
anti-random We want chicken tonight Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Melbourne - Australia Age: 33	Hit the spot with the Nina character evil plushie, but don't you need a character like Nina in an anime like this. I mean the thing is about discrimination and stuff and in that kind of show you need a character like Nina to show how the extreme (bit less) side thinks and acts. That is why the character of Nina exists. But i hope she blows herself up in some hell-hole in the middle of nowhere. __________________ Thanks Sephi

2007-10-28, 12:47	Link #40
foreverdissevered Endless Entity Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Inner Universe Age: 31	LeLouch Spoiler: Though falling into the same fate as Raito( being controlled by his powers), I absolutely loved this character. Bad idea for the producers to let him be addicted with domination( he completely changed after realizing he cant control his powers) and forgetting his soul purpose for starting this war( so he can be happy with Nanally). He was one with a heart, he cared about others, like erasing the memories of Shirley despise his lose. Suzaku Spoiler: K.. I hated this guy. I never understood his reason for fighting against the rebellion. The world was injustice, the resistance against it was strong and blood was spilling everywhere. Its not like the rebellion was ever demolished. He just wanted to be with the Britanians, choosing to side with them cause they are stronger? I get so fustrated seeing him in the show.... C.C Spoiler: I love this character as well. I sense kindness from her, a strange aura even. I dont understand why LeLouch treated her mean sometimes. Perhaps because she does not have a place in this society? Btw, would someone please tell me what the pact between her and LeLouch was? Thanks