2010-09-21, 10:10 | Link #2481 |
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Regius actually wanted to prove the Cyborg's efficiency with a "fait accomplis".
Basically, he wanted to show that we didn't need to rely on rare very high powered Mages and could instead make cyborgs out of normals that want to be more efficient- the cyborg tech started out not on babies but on grwon people, and it doesn't use magic. |
2010-09-21, 10:39 | Link #2483 | |
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I am pretty sureRegius' goal was still to turn regular TSAB people into Cyborgs by first proving their usefulness, and then making the research to turn people into Cyborg legal. |
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2010-09-21, 12:54 | Link #2484 | |
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The only way to make a cyborg is to engineer a baby at birth to specifically allow cyborg parts, and that's illegal. |
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2010-09-21, 15:55 | Link #2486 | |
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Okay, found it, in Episode 18 of Strikers, starting around the 10 minute mark.
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Edit to add: Nanya, what you posted doesn't contradict. All of the combat cyborgs were engineered at birth, and some gain special abilities out of it, like Sein. But what I was getting at, was that the Combat Cyborg process can't be applied to humans born normally. He has to tweak them sometime before they are born, genetically engineer them to be able to accept cyborg parts. |
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2010-09-22, 18:44 | Link #2487 |
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Surprisingly decent writing, as it explains why (a) they can't just build an army of Combat Cyborgs anytime soon by installing the now-working-just-fine tech in their existing C-rankers, and (b) why there are laws making it illegal, since the process demands tailor-making kids to fill the spot.
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2010-09-28, 18:34 | Link #2488 |
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"Tweaking" unborn children is probably on of the most contemptable things i can think of offhand.
Also can one be born a cyborg, i mean is it physically possible. cost, materials and technology notwithstanding.
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2010-09-28, 19:04 | Link #2489 |
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Can an unaltered person become a cyborg? Yes. Can an unaltered person become a cyborg more powerful then his original form? No.
There's a fine distinction made in StrikerS between replacing parts of your body with technology and replacing parts of your body with technology in order to get stronger. The former is possible, the later though requires genetic altering. |
2010-09-29, 10:03 | Link #2491 |
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Depends on your definition of cyborg. She wouldn't be a combat cyborg at least. And her eye replacement would be something that functions as a normal eye. You can make something to replace a part you lost, but you can't make it better without running into problems.
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2010-09-29, 12:14 | Link #2492 |
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Assuming, of course, Laguna opted to have her eye replaced at all. After she revealed the eye to her brother, it looked kinda unseeing; it was definitely colored differently than her other eye. Kinda made me think that any scarring around it may have healed but she still can't see out of it.
(now waiting for canon to come and say "lol wrong" to me)
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2010-09-29, 14:17 | Link #2494 | |
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AFAIK, we know so little about her, no details about her eye are available in the canon... But I wasn't sure so I asked. Yes, that's what I meant. ^^
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2010-10-01, 11:05 | Link #2495 |
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If have some questions regarding the Arc-en-Ciel.
"It is a "magic cannon" (魔導砲 madōhō) capable of destroying everything within a 100 km radius of the target point by distorting the time-space of that region" The problem is:
Can anyone explain these? Another one: has it been stated whether the Arc-en-Ciel can be affected by AMF or not?
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2010-10-01, 11:25 | Link #2496 | |
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It's never stated exactly what the 6 ships fired on the Cradle, but keep in mind that another 10 years have gone by; it wouldn't surprise me to learn that the Arc was adapted into whatever weapon they fired. Call it the descendant of the Arc, or a main cannon, it doesn't make much difference. It's a white beam much like the Arc that Lindy fired, though, which makes it a bit more similar to that, then Lindy's shot was to Graham's shot on Clyde's ship. Partially tying it into your last question about AMF, 6 years after that, we have the Wolfram firing it's main cannon named "Agustus" against the Huck's ship, but the magic nullification means it doesn't do any damage. So it would be a logical deduction that AMF would affect the Arc, or whatever weapon systems may be descended from that. The TSAB is big on not using mass-based weapons, so any weapons they do use would be magic-based. That's pretty much what we know and don't know. Anything more would be theory, but I've always held the theory that the Arc weapon underwent development and 10 years later, was incorporated as a main cannon weapon system aboard ships. Perhaps scaled down a tad, keeping most of the destructive power but dramatically lessening any dangerous effects (it was noted that the Arthra would have to pull back to avoid any side effects when Lindy fired). |
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2010-10-01, 11:31 | Link #2497 |
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Nah, most likely AeC is strategic weapon for special cases. I highly doubt that TSAB ships were weaponless without it. So in final of Strikers it wasn't anything like AeC, just normal main cannons. Also by principle AeC works (similar to Dimension Eater from Macross F) even toned down version of AeC would require only one hit on Cradle, so ship beams were not anything like it.
IIRC ship teleports away after firing AeC. Which also shows that it's quite useless against high speed moving targets or targets with teleport.
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2010-10-01, 18:32 | Link #2498 |
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Again supporting the "strategic" rather than "tactical" use (and probably why the Wolfram wasn't equipped with an Arc--they'd have to incapacitate the Huckebein's engines in order to Arc the ship, and if they could do that then odds are they'd have the firepower to not need to Arc the ship). Plus, I really doubt the fleet was firing an AeC against the Cradle, given that the Cradle was apparently hovering over the planet (heck, the whole TSAB's) capital city at the time and characters were easily able to fly up and down between the ship and the ground. Arcing the Cradle would have...bad consequences.
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2010-10-01, 18:46 | Link #2499 |
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This is all just speculation, though. We have no way to know for sure. Plus, the cradle was as far above the planet as the core of the Book of Darkness was; plenty of safe area. Note that the characters left the ship long before it reached orbit, so there was time there for it to leave the atmosphere, at least far enough that the ground wasn't threatened. Given the last shot before they fired, I'd definitely say it was well above 100k.
All we know for sure is that the Arc is a white beam, and the ships fired a white beam. Anything else is guesswork. And my guesswork is that if it wasn't an Arc type weapon, it was a weapon related to it. Also, it wasn't said specifically that the Arthra teleported. Lindy just ordered it to move after firing. Imagine of that what you will. Although, if we're going to guess, I wouldn't say the AeC isn't limited to strategic uses; when it fires, the beam certainly moves fast enough to hit a moderately moving target. However, this isn't a thread for guesses. |
2010-10-02, 05:11 | Link #2500 |
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アルカンシェル – Arc-en-Ciel
(A’s DVD6) A magic cannon equipped to the Administration Bureau’s larger warships. Boasting the highest destructive power within the Administration Bureau’s naval armory, use of the Arc-en-Ciel is only allowed in certain conditions or against certain targets, and only when specific requirements are fulfilled. The projectile has nearly no destructive power itself; instead, a short time after impact, a spatial distortion and a subsequent annihilating reaction is generated. As the area of effect is even greater than the maximum firing range, withdrawing to a safe location after firing by Transferring is an absolute must. "Absolute must" is pretty definite, and since Chrono didn't retreat, what they fired obviously wasn't an Arc. |
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