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View Poll Results: Code Geass Episode 21 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 35 | 29.41% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 40 | 33.61% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 21 | 17.65% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 10 | 8.40% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 8 | 6.72% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 1.68% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 2 | 1.68% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.84% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2007-03-18, 22:25 | Link #304 |
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Now the shit really hits the fan, I have been awaiting the announcement of the Specialized Zone from Euphie and it went over just as I expected not so good. Lulu is freakin pissed and Corniela is not very either. Schneizel basically has thrown his sister to the wolves for his own goal whatever those might be. I do think that Euphie truly wants to bring peace to the world but it takes time. On the outside yes it seems like a great idea, but one can easily argue against it. IMO taking a piece of land and saying that you can be called japanese there is an insult. Its like taking the native americans and putting them on reservations. The you have to also ask your self is peace at expense of lives really be called peace? People are already questioning her motives. Like one student said "well she does have an eleven as a lover" peace is not attained so easily.
Schneizel and Lulu both have their own plans and Euphies plan screws with Lulu's i dont think she will be killed but im sure she is getting Geassed. Euphies specialized zone will only split the nation even more and im sure Todo will not stand for it. A totally free japan or nothing at all is what i would expect him to say. This naivety of Euphies needs to solved quick or shes going to learn that even the most heartfelt choices can bring pain. Ogi and Villetta looked good together but we all know that will not last, she will get her memory back probably next season. The whole housewife thing doesnt suit her very well but i like when her hair is down Poor poor C.C. i have never seen her looked sadder as she watched her dream of the world greatest pizza go up in smoke. Im not really sure but I think that Nunnlley did have some type of crush of Suzaku. Can anyone confirm this?
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2007-03-18, 22:37 | Link #305 |
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I agree with most of that... but if it's insult for them to be stuck on a piece of land, which is in fact THEIR homeland, and to be called Japanese, which they ARE, then I suppose being called ELEVENS and having to earn the title of Honorary Britannian just to live life.... hmm, doesn't sound to bad compared to the former does it?
I understand what you're trying to say, but Euphemia had to start somewhere. It would be impossible for both countries just to accept the conquerer simply giving the conquered nation's country back to them. It's already difficult enough as it is. |
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It's an insult to be given permission to live in their own land, and be able to not be called a number. This is exactly the same as how Ogi was given "permission" to go to the school festival; Euphie is treating their human-rights as if they are privileges. Some sort of pink and fluffy gift from their kind master. A kennel is a kennel, you can never make it a house. Quote:
Euphie is offering the best deal she can give. But that doesn't mean that's the best deal the Japanese can get. That's the difference. (That assumes her deal works at all, which it wouldn't.)
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2007-03-18, 22:56 | Link #307 |
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Euphie's action was right to her own belief
Lulu is also right for his own rights One thing fantastic about Code Geass is that there is no pure evil/bad side in the series, we get to see the point of view from each different characters. Hell, I think the emperor is partially right for setting the world his way. (Darwinism idealeology) And it is also why it is so hard to predict the outcome of this series. Thats why it is so good! I really wonder how they would end this series. P.S. To its credit, I believe gundam seed attempted this. At the end of gundam seed, the series fail to offer a conclusive solution to the conflicts. At GSD....we all know what happen... |
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This is probably more extreme than it could turn out, but what is the point in regaining Japan's autonomy if only a handful of people remain? |
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2007-03-18, 23:56 | Link #309 | ||
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Granted by a princess who is a walking joke amongst the Britannian aristocracy? What Euphie want to grant is not tangible. There is absolutely no reason why another royal couldn't make an announcement tomorrow that the Special Zone would be dismantled. Euphie is making a promise she can't keep, but she doesn't know it. Euphie isn't a representative of the Japanese interests, and never will be. The Empire will always come first, and Euphie can't fight that. What Zero is aiming for is tangible goods; Euphie is the one offering an abstract matter. Quote:
You are offering the same argument Suzaku gave, that the Empire is invincible. Guess what? The Empire is not invincible. And Zero is dismantling this false invincibility each and every day he continue to exist. If it bleeds, we can kill it.
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2007-03-19, 00:03 | Link #310 | |
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If being treated as sub-humans and social slaves is the alternative to fight to the end with honor, the latter option is never out of question. And yes, I know westerners think that stupid. But a lot of us do not. It's simply a diffrence of values. As for the special zone... first of all, it's a secluded small area that will never cover the entire Japan. And it's still on a leash from the empire. It's nothing but "crowd control" and no true independence would come out of it.
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*On a side note from all of this* Lelouch will have to solidify his stance on the whole matter sooner or later. Whether he is fighting for Japanese independence or fighting to bring down the empire, he can't simply just "fight for justice." If he declares himself as fighting for Japanese independence, then as people have already argued, there is a possibility that the Japanese will look to remove the Britannians from their country. If Lelouch wants them to all coexist, he's going to have to initiate another war or somehow impress that ideal onto everyone, else he and Nunnally and his friends will all be victimized. |
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Zero is still alive, isn't he? Survival only matters if you intend to do something with your life. Oppose Britannia means risks of death, so if you want to oppose Britannia danger is to be expected. Being alive and do nothing is no less useless than being dead. Of course, there are people who would rather live their lives under oppression. That's their choice. But they have no right to demand that others follow their example. Quote:
Oh, and Zero already pointed out that he fights for Justice. Specifically, to defend those who are weak against the strong. This in itself ensures no room for victimisation, and the reason why no Britannian civilians were targeted. Thus, the ideals are already there.
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2007-03-19, 00:54 | Link #313 | |
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I'm not sure what you mean by "survival only matters if you intend to something with your life." Do you mean that those who are not opposing the empire are not doing anything with their life? If so, is nationalism the one and only thing that is important in their lives? |
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How about "Liberty"! http://libertyonline.hypermall.com/henry-liberty.html Quote:
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2007-03-19, 01:14 | Link #315 |
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Juvyniled, you're overlooking the fact that this proposal is not to entire Japan.
Giving special previledges to handful (several hundred thousands) of Japanese isn't the solution. Without total independence, the nation will still suffer from social slavery and living in Ghettos. It does not give any sort of independence to the Japanese. Most audiences realize this, and so does Zero. Why can't you?
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2007-03-19, 01:44 | Link #316 | |
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I'm sure Zero realizes some sort of a similar conclusion, but he is not concerned about it. @VCV: When I was referring to establishing his ideals, I was referring more to the sense of declaring his support to a specific side. |
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2007-03-19, 01:52 | Link #317 |
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It's kind of pointless to argue, since you have established yourself how you're very "empire sided" in your past arguments.
You seem to be this board's "Suzaku", if you will. You come to defend the empire in pretty much every page of this board. I think you give too much credit to the empire. Special zone is, as Lulu put it in episode 21, nothing but a "day-dream" story.
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As I mentioned in a previous post, I believe it was once plausible that a Special Zone can work, but it would be very, very hard. Euphie, however, made her own job impossible by declaring her intentions without any preparations whatsoever. Quite simply, Euphemia's political capabilities has been found to be next to non-existent, and as such the whole project is going to fail. And no, the ordinance is not going to run itself, because Euphie doesn't have the authority nor the public influence to make it happen. She doesn't even know how the laws are going to work in that zone. What happens if a Britannian call a Japanese an 11 while in the Zone? Is he going to be arrested? Arrested by who? Britannian police? Is there going to be any Britannian police-force willing to do this? Quote:
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I'm not particularly interested how people will label me. If it's debateable, then I will put it out there.
I am not arguing on behalf of the empire. I am arguing rationality. While the empire as an incarnation/entity is evil and unjustified, they have individuals among them who do not share the same sentiment. Should ALL Britannians suffer because they are associated with the empire? I understand that the Japanese are not faring so well compared to their oppressors. But simply because things are not exactly as you want them to be, does not necessarily mean that everything should turn out the way you expect it to. I'm really arguing from an observer's standpoint. I have only countered your arguments because you have adopted the standpoint against the empire. There is always the possibility for good to come out of things. Quote:
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And I throw your statements right back at you; Just because the 11s are not doing exactly what the Britannians wanted them to do, does not mean that everything should turn out the way Britannians expected to. You see that the BK is starting a rebellion. You suggest the 11s should stop fighting for the betterment of Britannia. that makes you no better. Thus, since we are morally equal, may the best side win. And that's exactly how Zero sees this. Quote:
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