Clannad - Episode 17 Discussion / Poll

[Kristen]

Originally Posted by tiachopvutru

This part made me chuckle lol... That exclamation mark at the end fits there just, perfectly. Funny typo .

Well, it happens sometimes. Just think about Agent Smith in the Matrix. How did he wake up?

14 hours to go until I can see this! So near, yet so far...

[*Forte*]

I don't know JPese, so I'll wait for SS's work.
*Try not to view spoil*

This episode will focus on their future huh, I think so though the preview. But as far as

Kotomi: Are you buly?
Ryou: yes.
Kotomi: Are you bully?
Nagisa: yes.

I think KyoAni made a very good fun of me, anyway, they created Okazaki Tomoya the Natural Liar xD

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

*breathes a bit*... No, CLANNAD is NOT a dating sim... nowhere near of it. Even as "ren'ai" it isn't exactly fitting that kind of category.

I know it's not your average gal game at all, but it IS a gal game. Just a very complex and beautiful one.

[Anacone]

And now I think again that they should had shortened Fuko arc... Here happened so much that there was not much time to digest everything... Sure it was good ep.

[Noppapana]

oh god clannad suprises me every week .. it is even better then kanon06

[monir]

Reminder: Folks, please keep all your discussion to the content of the episode itself. Revealing any spoilers from the game that has yet to happen in the anime (regardless of the fact that those events may or may not occur) will simply lead to a ban. This is an anime-only thread. If you feel the urge to unload your Clannad knowledge, do so in the appropriate thread that is designated for the experienced Clannad-fans.

[Owaranai Destiny]

Screenshots can do wonders to what you expect for the episode.

Spoiler:

Never ever seen Tomoyo smile like that before, and the shots of Kyou and Tomoya in the storage room certainly look delicious. Good comedy too, if what I read was very accurate to describe their situation.

As expected by many, Nagisa was put out of comission with a fever and might not be back in the spotlight anytime soon.

The interweaving of arcs seemed to be done quite nicely, but then I'll have to wait for the subs to really understand what's going on.

[ThoHell]

This was absolutely a Tomoyo episode. Poor girls just seems to naturally make enemies out of every guy. Guys hate her or just jealous of her strength? It has got to be completely jealousy.....I don't think there is anything to hate about her!

Spoiler:

So the fight for Okazaki intensifies. Nagisa is out before it even started!

Tomoyo is really taking charge, I'm sure her and Okazaki would make an interesting pair, but that most likely won't happened. A lot of screen time for Tomoyo in this episode was a BIG ++++++, she seems so innocent by being so straight forward, but still has her very girly side.

Oazaki is feeling very lonely without Nagisa and is slowly realizing his feelings.

WHY WAS KOTOMI NOT EVEN IN THIS EPISODE?

LOL...Fuko with her weird entrances and speeches and leavsure.

The scenario between Kyou and Oazaki was absolutely the best part of this episode. I had quite a laugh. Completely see a side of Kyou never seen before, was loving it. I think she was a little happy with the scenario......LOL that was great! Actually I know she was DAMN happy with the famous situation of being locked in the storage room with the person you liked....LOL look at her brief ticked off face with Okazaki explains his reason for saying sorry. WTF, why did Oazaki start stripping? These two would make an awesome couple.

I think there would be 3 good pairs with Oazaki: either Nagisa, Kyou, or Tomoyo. Kotomi and Ryou don't go so well with him. Ryou is her worse match I think, even Kotomi is a better match than her. But I'm sure we all feel that the likely pairing will be Oazaki and Nagisa.

Ending was very unexpected.....poor Okazaki! Next episode looks to be a great episode as well. Can't wait! I'm guessing Oazaki gets suspended and gets a home visit from all the lovely girls!

[blitz1/2]

Anyone with me that the Fuko reappearances are useless?

No offenses to Fuko fans: But Fuko should stay out/dead. She ruins the tense moments

[ThoHell]

Originally Posted by blitz1/2

Anyone with me that the Fuko reappearances are useless?

No offenses to Fuko fans: But Fuko should stay out/dead. She ruins the tense moments

I think that's the purpose of her character now, a tension reliever/humor.

[velocity7]

Fuuko's random appearances also occurred in the game, just FYI.

Also, this episode at about 16:00 basically explains the entire reason I went from translating Yukine's route to Kyou's route in the CLANNAD TL project.

[siber222000]

i don't know about u guys, but i think this was best episode so far

[Decagon]

So sad Kotomi's role is still background. Kyou's deredere mode was mind-numbing. My god. And what I wouldn't give to have Tomoyo waking me up every morning! Looking forward to the next ep, as the preview seems to shed any semblance of drama from the fight at the end of the episode.

... Anyone think they might go for an open-ended ending? While it seems Tomoya is really stuck on Nagisa, it could be said he might not be any closer to her than the others due to the different nature of all their relationships.

[Leo_Otaku]

Was an alright episode I'm with blitz on the Fuko cameos. They have picked some bad places to put her I thought...pretty random >.>

Overall it was pretty good I would have liked to see Kyou and Tomoyo's routes better spaced. I really liked it when Botan eats Ryou's bad cooking, should have been longer.

I keep thinking second season >.>

[Kinny Riddle]

This just gets better. So this is how they squeeze in Tomoyo's story with as much as they can without making it feel shallow, even with the romance bits taken off. With Nagisa gone, Tomoya instantly becomes an uncontrollable girl magnet. Kyou finds herself
(or is it her sister?) in competition with Tomoyo as both sides step up their campaign for Tomoya's attention. Yet despite all these happenings, the direction makes it explicitly clear that Tomoya has no one else in mind besides Nagisa.

Knowing how inflexible the current student council are, it's natural Tomoya would eventually think of wanting to get Tomoyo elected.

We finally have Yukine's best moment: the "trapped in sports gymnasium with a person you think of" spell. And Tomoya has to think of Kyou of all people. I never realized Mitsui (Fuuko's former classmate) would be the one to make the spell work.

Once the spell is in effect, I have three exaggerated words to say about this scene.

Spoiler for Kyou fanboy scream:

KYOU-CHAN KAWAII~~~~!!!!

Tomoya's attempt to strip off in order to release the spell is also pure LMAO.

And finally, thanks to Sunohara bringing Tomoyo to the old school district and provoking all the delinquents to come seeking Tomoyo, Tomoya ends up having to take the fall for her so that she may become student council president. Small price to pay for Tomoya in order to bring the Drama Club back, and he's got nothing to lose anyway since he's always being tagged a "delinquent" anyway.


Nearly forgot to mention, Fuuko once again makes her nonsensical intrusion. Well this time, it's based straight from the game, for this is one of the Tomoyo scenes in which Fuuko appears.

Next week would be Tomoya's period of exile, as seen in Tomoyo's story. And this time, it won't just be Tomoyo that comes to visit, but also Kyou, Ryou and Kotomi as well. (Dunno about Nagisa)

[cshard]

Although I did feel some parts of the ep were paced a little too fast... hell, how can I criticise and episode with so much Kyou AND Tomoyo goodness?

Looks like it's gonna be Nagisa + Kyou + Ryou + Tomoyo's combined routes now.... plus a little Yukine it seems. Most definitely the best choice now, seeing how we've already gone past the halfway mark.

Spoiler for episode thoughts:

Tomoya is a lucky, lucky bastard. Waking up to such a sight in the morning... XD I whole heartedly agree with Tomoyo that he should be grateful... although she's probably not talking about what most of us are thinking. Hmm, considering the preview, plus Tomoyo turning up in the morning, wonder what the oyaji will think about so many girls coming to visit his son. XD I vote for "Good job, son!"

The first lunch with the Fujibayashi twins was a little ordinary I must say. Poor Ryou must be bursting a blood vessel from all that blushing.

Tomoyo seems to be taking quite an interest in Tomoya's love life now... gonna get hard for her to say that she's not interested in Tomoya if things continue this way.

Sunohara has a good plan for once I suppose, although as usual, there's a distinct lack of ethics going on. Dragging Tomoyo through those places is just asking for it. At least he did have to pay for it... literally. XD Must have been an expensive cafe.

Poor Tomoya. No match for resisting Tomoyo early in the morning. XD As for Sunohara, pity there's no more hit counter, although I'll bet they add it in for the DVD...

Botan, Food Taster Extraordinaire. High poison recovery rate to boot. XD Love the faces of the three of them.

Tomoya was rather forlorn sitting in the club room thinking about Nagisa... Kinda like a lost pup I suppose.

Ah Yukine, she of the nonsensical lucky charms. And today was one of my favourites too. XD Tis' fortunate it was not the Sunohara version...

I find the way that KyoAni gave Tomoya a pretty good reason to be concerned with Tomoyo's Student Council presidency bid quite interesting. A pretty good way to deflect any potential emotional clashes for Tomoya's own emotions. After all, it's pretty clear to the viewer who he misses the most.

If there's one question I would like to ask Key right now, it would be, "Why was this Tomoya x Kyou scene NOT in Kyou/Ryou's game route, but in Yukine's???" Either way, kudos to KyoAni for stuffing it in here. For all her "reluctance" Kyou really wanted Tomoya to do something to her really badly, and I have no doubt that many doujin have already been created for this scene alone. A shy Kyou is most excellent. As for Tomoya's final piece of the "charm", I was thinking to myself, "the guy's got his hot bloodedness turned up in the wrong direction". That was a major hilarity overload.

I think Tomoya hit the ball on the head a long time ago regarding Sunohara ever joining a "party". XD True to form, his offer to be an ally was answered with a resounding kick in the butt from Tomoyo. XD Good job Tomoyo!

Me wonders if Tomoyo would have been ok the way things were going... but I suppose I do have faith that she would have likely won. Her fame has to count for something I guess. XD And considering how many of the girls are going to visit him at home next episode, I'd say that the appearance of the teacher ends up being quite a lucky occurance indeed.

[kimchipride]

AHAHAHAHAHA

That was a very funny episode.

10/10 One of the best episodes so far

[Hypernova]

ah Kyou is giving Kagami some tough competition for the position of tsundere queen.

Considering how over used the locked-in-a-room plot device is mad props have to be given to KyoAni for making it work beautifully and then some.

Tomoyo's arc feels a bit too sudden to me though. If she had some appearances in the past 4~5eps (even if just beating Sunohara) her entrance would have felt much smoother.

[amoirsp]

Originally Posted by blitz1/2

Anyone with me that the Fuko reappearances are useless?

No offenses to Fuko fans: But Fuko should stay out/dead. She ruins the tense moments

Of the ones you've seen so far (this would be the third), this is the only one that actually existed in the game. (first one included antler cameo, second one I did think was bad timing.) Maybe that's why I wasn't as bothered in the appearance in this episode as soon as I remembered that that particular scene was essentially where the Fuuko randomness manifests from anyways.

However, you can see a clear pattern. She appears when her friends are either in distress or conflict with something else, be it a machine, pressed to join a club not intended to, or what occurred in this episode. (note: direct conflict, not internal conflict, not fighting-for-okazaki-conflict.) Kyoani probably noticed this pattern and so they throw her in every 2 - 3 episodes since the arc ended so far. Like stated, she appears in tense moments.

The other clear pattern is that it is under random timing. Unless you know it's going to occur ahead of time, I don't think one would know exactly when it would come in. Ironically, because it is so random, and such a huge contrast to the "conflict" situation, it nearly kills momentum because it totally mismatches the situation.

This episode was eventful. Each day was virtually maximised!

Spoiler:

Ironically Nagisa out of commission generated a much faster pace in momentum, more certain humour allocation, and more opportunity cost scenarios.

Not really an irony, but I just thought the fainting, while a really serious scenario, was not really emphasized in the episode. It's good since it allowed a lot of comedic action to manifest, as well as progress with like, three girls, but bad in the sense that it makes the faint itself not seem like much.

It seems like a slight irony since in other routes like Fuuko and Kotomi's, he does his best to resolve the situation. I suppose the difference is that if someone falls ill, you can only help initially and then hope they recover, which is not a scenario previously present.

Yay for more Yukine, since based on what's been seen of her, she appears rather one dimensional, or not particularly important/significant/prominent. Yet when merging is done, such content mixed by kyoani made quite the good momentum. I'm expecting more of this (the "help the person in need" thing, which was a very clear trend already, but the kyoani execution of her character is quite interesting).

As usual, high pace, eventful, versatile (heck it uses almost everyone like last episode). Satisfying indeed.

[Khaos]

10/10, great arc interweaving...I just thought...wtf, now Ryou too?? I didn't even consider her to be part of the "harem" as well, she's one of the characters I like the least.

The gym storage room-scene was hilarious, this proved that Kyou truly deserves her first place in the saimoe-nominations. She almost begged him to do something to her.

Being woken up by Tomoyo in the morning, lucky bastard Tomoya!

Kyou and Tomoyo gained a lot of points with this episode.

Fuko, well, I loved the Fuko arc, really, however after ep 9 being the most intense and emotional in the whole series so far I find Fuko's comedic appereances somehow overdone. For me, the Fuko comedy ended with ep 9 and it shouldn't have been revived in such a cheap random way before she's really woken up.