2011-03-17, 16:54 | Link #1501 |
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TBS Newsbird just totally broke down the problem. Basically, because of the two containment units that encase the feul rods, a Chernobyl type explosion with conamination will not occur. Melting of the feul rods will supposedly cause a hydrogen explosion but the energy of that type of explosion to the one in 86 is quite big, less energy apparently and much less chance of large amounts of radiation being carried across a long distance (although they didn't say how long a distance). |
2011-03-17, 17:05 | Link #1502 |
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Overall guess is that people are now waiting on the latest status report from the IAEA, and on whether the external AC power source can provide any improvement to the situation. First report will likely come out from TEPCO though, but the longer we hear nothing from them of good news, the more one begins to worry if there will be any. It will take a lot of time none the less. |
2011-03-17, 17:11 | Link #1503 | |
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Now, none of this is to say things can't get worse. None of this is to say a worst-case scenario couldn't still happen - though for the reasons you mention above and others, even a WCS would be "less worse" than Chernobyl. The reality is that the longer this goes without a major downturn, the less likely it is that there will be one. At this stage the power cable has been connected to reactor 2 and backup generators are working at #5-6, and supplying power to #4. Those are meaningful, positive developments. Rather than focusing on foreigners leaving being a sign of some kind of massive government conspiracy, I think the focus should be on two things: the situation on the ground, and the fate of the "Fukushima 50" - the workers who have been at their posts since the beginning and are likely to be the only people to suffer serious health effects from this crisis. Rather than obsess over unlikely scenarios (such as the ludicrous rush to buy iodine pills in the United States), take a minute to think about the sacrifice these men are making. We throw the word "heroes" around way too much, but these guys are genuine heroes.
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2011-03-17, 17:13 | Link #1504 | |
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I want to invite you, to read my work in progress on that topic here, if you like.
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2011-03-17, 17:13 | Link #1505 |
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I'm sure a lot of media coverage is hyperbole. It's been proven time and time again.
But sometimes they just overstep the boundaries WAY too much. Take this article. I mean, what the fuck?! How could ANYONE have any idea of what is possible and what is not? How can you ask such a simplistic question like "how would you solve Fukushima?"?! How can you even attempt to GRASP the enormity of the nationwide crisis that goes beyond the nuclear plants? Seriously, that sort of thing gets my blood boiling. I'm skeptical of everyone and everything, including the Japanese government, but some of this coverage is outright insane at times. And this is not The Sun or similar tabloids. This is The Guardian, a much more respected news outlet.
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2011-03-17, 17:40 | Link #1506 | |
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These employees are staying at their posts working as hard as they can... we might hang the accountants and bureaucrats later who forced shortchanges - but these guys are the Real Thing.
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2011-03-17, 18:49 | Link #1507 | |
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Though the article is badly named, and the commentary is unwarranted for. They should have extended the article to include the scope of beyond the reactor. Quote:
There! No man, no problem. Though I wonder about the effectiveness of those over-the-counter KI pills as compared to the liquid syrup droppers issued to CBRE crews and special forces.
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2011-03-17, 19:02 | Link #1509 | |
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But large media companies are following the general trend of user generated content and high levels of input so that they can gain a following. Even if it doesn't make sense from a reporting and educational standpoint. Otherwise you're seen as elitist and not receptive to outside opinion of the masses. |
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Was watching Anderson Cooper earlier and he said that according to TEPCO, power has never been hooked up to reactor unit 2, and something that the IAEA information that power has been connected is incorrect.
IAEA report (See Japanese Earthquake Update (17 March 17:55 UTC)): http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/...iupdate01.html Would like another source on that news though coming from TEPCO, but I couldn't find much as Japanese media might be under a "time lag". Edit: http://www.livedash.com/transcript/j...7_2011/571423/ Quote:
IAEA scrubs (Japanese Earthquake Update (17 March 17:55 UTC)) entry. Now updated to: Quote:
http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/rwb.nsf/...2?OpenDocument Last edited by Green²; 2011-03-17 at 20:05. |
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2011-03-17, 19:17 | Link #1512 | |
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http://blogs.nature.com/news/thegrea..._seen_far.html
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2011-03-17, 19:32 | Link #1513 |
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Nuclear Safety guys have had a press conference and NHK Translated up until a certain point.
NIS - Japanese Nuclear Saftey guys pressconference. Number 1 Reactor - The seawater into the pressure vessal will continue. Number 2 - The white smoke was spotted again and the was a hole in the outer building as you remember last night and when there was an explosion at number 3, the upper panel was blown out, that was the function to reduce the pressure and the white smoke is bellowing from that panel. Reactor 3 - The water was sprayed and the evaluation of the operation is underway and the white smoke is still coming out. Number 4 - One thing I need to report, a shroud was under construction - the stainless part? because of that the fuel rod was stored in the storage port and since the amount is large the concern is rising. There was many certainties about the existance of water inside and some say there is still water in that storage port but some say the water is very actively evacuating but according to a recent video it seems the water is still there in the fuel rod storage port.I myself have seen that video so, we assume that reactor 4 fuel rod storage pool has some water in it. However reactor 4 is also emitting white smoke and no change to reactor 5 and 6. As you can see in this press release there is a number 29, open page 2 and open plant parameters and the mega pascal gague is what we've been using. We've also adopted now the absaloute pressure, we used to use the word gague to show above the levels of normal, however we now have used absaloute pressure including atmospheric pressure. The mega pascal MPA so the point 1 is the atmospheric pressure. We have been frequently asked about the pool for the spent fuel which is different from the core to each of these reactors and this contains the spent fuel which has already been quite cooled down and this is a common pool for the spent fuels and from 6-7AM the inspection has been conected. The fuel is not exposed and the water level has been almost recovered, it is below 10-15CM normal and spent fuels kept there are not exposed. The temperature is not measured correctly but they are trying to measure again quite soon and it's believed the water temperature is around about 40-50 degrees they have shown these figures by touching the facility. About the power source, we didn't give a total picture before but according to our understand at Fukushima from Tohoku electric power company power has been supplied and that was mostly damaged by the quake and the lines were cut and the steel tower collapsed. We are now trying to repair them. There's another power system from Tohoku Power company from when Fukushima was built has been used so it should be reinstated as soon as possible for use. Until yesterday that system has been bought to the Fukushima plant. We are targeting today for it to be connected to the reactors, we are going to give it a try. This is for reactor 1 and 2. This is going to be connected to both reactors. We are going to do this in a hurry, because of the great damage and at number 2 reactor because of the electric system we need to supply water to the spent fuel pool, the building is not collapsing. We would like to restore the electric system as soon as possible. EDIT: NHK World has cut off the translation of the press conference, but it's still contiuing. It's too hard for me to translate however. I do apologise. I wish my Japanese was better so I could translate myself and be more helpful, no idea why they cut off. |
2011-03-17, 19:34 | Link #1514 | |
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I'm also skeptic of the Japanese government but radiation is something you simply CAN'T hide. It would be wiser to be suspect about other kinds of information, IMHO.
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2011-03-17, 19:39 | Link #1515 |
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Here is an interesting read although I guess A LOT of people already knew this.
EDITORIAL: CNN's Colorful Account of Tokyo Radiation "Danger" is Inaccurate |
2011-03-17, 19:48 | Link #1516 | |
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Its hard to keep things secret in general and in this case it's impossible (at least outside the evacuation zone). But most of the time it's not necessary to keep things secret in anyway. Divert attention, hinder the sceptics, trust in the laziness of the media, build up straw men, brand the opposition as traitors etc. Worked well in the gulf wars. If you have a data source with independently verified radiation levels please share it with us.
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2011-03-17, 19:53 | Link #1517 |
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If there is anything that is a distraction it is the nuclear "crisis". It distracts from everything else that is going on, not only in Japan, but the rest of the world as well. it is a nice paranoia topic that the media loves to milk for all it is worth.
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2011-03-17, 20:12 | Link #1518 | |
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If it was a disaster movie (like the western media wanted to see) it would be the most lackluster movie probably to be nominated for the Raspberry award. The directors are probably screaming mad wanting something more gory because people loves watching spectacles like duel of the gladiators from a safe distance. The Japanese government is doing anything and everything possible and to tell you the truth I believe they are not hiding anything since they don't have the time to come up with an alternative scenario to hide the truth and too many people independent commentators watching events live as they unfold to maintain an alternative scenario to hold. |
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2011-03-17, 20:15 | Link #1519 | |
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Then you tell me why radiation data for three prefectures isn't posted anymore.
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2011-03-17, 20:20 | Link #1520 |
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Tepco conference right now. Twitter translation here: http://twitter.com/TepcoDisaster
And SoL, here is for example a Geiger counter in Tokyo: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/geiger-counter-tokyo I don't actually know if there is a site that tries to collect data actively, though I'm pretty sure there must be. Also, by my personal account, that number which right now is showing 13 cpm was 16 cpm two days ago.
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