2013-02-17, 15:08 | Link #102 | ||
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Another issue with very "few" categories is that to get there you have to axe a lot of categories and everyone expects us to keep all the categories "they like" and axe all the categories "they don't like." So for example, people who don't like drama want it axed because it's a "catch-all" category while fans of drama want everything else axed because "clearly drama is the better category." Basically it's all a bunch of "I want fewer categories for the shows I don't watch" a lot of the time. We actually try to be useful with the contest. So unlike other awards we do take into account if there is a following for that category so that we may pass down useful information (ie. shows you might like, that you might have missed) though the collective effort of the awards. Basically, we favor practical categories (ie. genres, key selling points, etc), over more random "quality" categories such as "makeup and hairstyling" or "sound editing" you see in the academy awards for example (not that we don't have those too), even if they might seems a little smaller compared to other categories in the same group. But I digress. Going back to the magic number, while the upper limit is currently 25, if it makes sense we may remove categories and have less then 25 for a given year (the limit is only a maximum). There was talk about not having certain genre's participate if they didn't meet a certain number of shows but sadly it never came to fruition. Listing which categories you think should be removed and why is better then asking us to "magically make it so there's fewer categories, but more for me." Obviously we can't guarantee just because you asked we'll do it since we have to evaluate the consequences and if your point of view isn't simply self serving (see previous paragraph), but we will take it into consideration. We'll also take into the idea of making the contest more "pick the categories you would like to vote in" more common sense next year.
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2013-02-17, 15:15 | Link #103 |
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felix, I think you might be misreading me here.
I'm not saying I necessarily want less categories than what we have right now. I'm saying that this is enough; the current number is probably fine. The upper limit of 25 sounds good to me. 25 is the upper limit of my own "sweet spot" conception (I recognize that Reckoner would likely put it significantly lower). Also, I was mostly aiming to explain why certain category ideas (such as divorcing OPs and EDs into two categories) don't always get adopted, even if they may seem like good ideas. It's often because we have to keep the bigger picture of total number of categories in mind, and strive to avoid bloating.
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2013-02-19, 17:47 | Link #104 | ||
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That's what... one award for every five series released in the year ? 20 % of everything ever released deserve a "best of the year" medal ? I would say that anything more than 5 to 10 categories is too many. Quote:
In this particular case, I guess many people simply wanted to be sure to see their pet category to be included, which mean a bloated amount in the end. Another reason, perhaps even stronger, is that I suppose many people looked at the categories while thinking at their overall anime experience, and didn't fully take into consideration that it's a YEARLY award, which deals with much less series. For example, "sport series" are sure a big category if you look at the global anime database, and would be fully deserved. But how many of these is there each year ? Hardly more than five I'd say, and that means basically every single one is nominated, which doesn't make a lot of sense. As such, for a rather frequent even like this one, I think a LOT of consolidation, in order to keep only the most general overall categories, would be better. |
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To achieve 5-10 awards you'd have to gut all the genres, and character related ones to even come close to that. With to me not having any awards for any genres completely defeats the purpose of it.
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2013-02-20, 13:51 | Link #107 |
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I'd like to know which categories should be struck.
Also, I don't see why this format isn't convenient. It's mostly copy and paste and any "trash" categories can be abstained anyways. We should just put a giant banner as an announcement. But it's not like it matters. Fate/Zero's going to dominate anyways. :3
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2013-02-20, 14:46 | Link #108 |
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I think this is probably the largest issue. I bet you more people didn't vote because they just did not know about the awards in the first place (I have actually seen several people comment as such in the Kamisama Kiss thread)
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At this point it's less about "award given to the best anime of the year" and more "listing of all the decent animes of the year" - or, even worse, "let's repeat the same five animes over ten categories", and that's sadly barely an exageration. I think a short but deep list is much more interesting and meaningful than a long but shallow one. 10 podiums with one gold, one silver and one bronze medals over which 15 to 20 animes fight, are much better than 25 gold medals over which 4 anime fight. Quote:
Also, again, it's not necessarily about a genre being "not deserving", but also a point of being realist about the amount of shows in a year, and that many otherwise "good" genres simply don't have the year-by-year numbers to offer reasonable choices for an award. I'd say, we should mainly keep "meaningful" categories (Opening and ending, for example, are just rather pointless awards, I doubt they are real reason to appreciate a show) that are representative of what make a show "good" or "memorable". So, well... I'd say (personal opinion of course) : Overall "best anime of the year". Best male character. Best female character. Best realization (artwork, animation, etc.). For the genres, I'm less sure. We'd have to think hard to find big encompassing categories that manage to not overlap too much and to still represent a wide range of anime fairly so that none are left out. Quote:
As I said in my previous post, the drawbacks of some "positive buzzwords" are often overlooked, but still have real effects. The main one of "lots of shallow choices" is that it dilute the "meaning"/"worth" of the awards. If you have to abstain in more than a very small minority of cases, you will simply feel it's "not worth it". Few people will feel it satisfactory to vote only for five out of 25 categories, and will simply not bother (or be irritated and purposedly not vote). |
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