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Not to mention that was an explanation for why, I would call Oda a Luffy fan boy, and why this would be bad writing if such happened in X big event, thats out of Luffy' weight class. Nice way to try and twist words. Quote:
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With the impression that Enies Lobby gave, you'd have though it would have been only the rawest, most horribly politically, and criminally evil people who'd be there. There should be NO no named people in Impel Down, honestly. There are jails all over grand line for people like that. I kinda thought...*sigh*...anyway, it's too late for wishes now.
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Why not? Luffy has just as much of a "right" to try and rescue Ace as Whitebeard does (Ace is Luffy's brother, and Luffy did brave, no matter how much you disparage the place, Impel Down for Ace). And, once again, Luffy has declared war against the WG, and his first tactical strike was against Impel Down itself.
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I did not twist any words, I quoted you word for word. You do agree that Luffy does not steal all the spotlight, thereby rendering your 'Luffy steals all the spotlight' argument invalid. Yes, I know, you already said so before. Now if you would care to tell me why Luffy, who has ravaged through the one place pirates actually fear, does not have the right to save his own brother then we might actually get somewhere. Quote:
As for help, yes he did have help. Unexpected help. Help he did not plan or forsee. And yet he still entered Pirate Hell. We already established the 'why Luffy needs to get stronger' when the Strawhats got soundly defeated on Sabaody. Rather than re-stating the same point again by letting Luffy fail we should be seeing progress here. |
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2009-05-25, 18:33 | Link #207 | |
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Uh-huh. Something official or just your opinion? I've already given several ideas as to how Luffy can pull of a rescue while not being as powerful as Kizaru or even his underlings. Yup. And he did. In fact, he was even warned by Boa that she couldn't help him in there. Even so he bravely stepped forward into the den with no help in sight. Because as I said before, the effort of going into Impel Down deserves rewarding lest they be rendered irrelevant. Whether that happens with Luffy saving Ace himself or helping Whitebeard save him is largely irrelevant to me, as long as Luffy has a part in that rescue. |
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That is absolute BS. Your argument means nothing because Luffy has already declared war against the WG. Is there a strength requirement to attack Enies Lobby or Impel Down (2 of the 3 bastions of Marine power)? Is there a strength requirement to knock around a Tenryubito? Et cetera. There is no strength requirement for going to war against the WG, strength is only needed to succeed in a full scale war (ex: Robin's Archeologist friends failed at their act of rebellion because they lacked strength, whereas Dragon is succeeding because he has strength).
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Luffy is main charecter
Luffy is most populat one piece charecter Luffy is most popular Shounen Jump charecter Luffy is central figure of One Piece story. I really like Luffy and I have been enjoying his adventures, specially Impel Down, I love other Strawhats and they each form powerful and diverse Nakama but I really like seeing Luffys quest of saving his brother from execution. Is Oda's current focus on Luffy right? Or perhaps wrong? You can argue about it if you wish, you can try fill 10 pages of your posts where you attempt to force others accept your own personal views. I wont care your opinion Master Mold, you have made very clear of your opinion on this matter in last 10 pages but I and majority of One piece fans will continue to enjoy on current chapters and will wait future chapters with excitement. I sincerely suggest you to go on AP forums with your arguments and see how people over there will listen. |
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...just how impossible that will be, and the scale of this coming war? You might as well be an ant charging into a storm! You could be buffetted back and killed in an instant. - Page 14 - Ivankov: Oh, don't be a FOOL!! Hyou, fight against the very CENTER of power?! Do hyou know the strength of Whitebeard?! Do hyou know the strength... ...of the admirals and vice admirals being sent to stop him?! How many lives DO hyou have, anyway?! I guess its just me. Quote:
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^Way to miss the point entirely. There is no strength requirement to try anything. Strength, overwhelming or otherwise, is needed to succeed, but it is not needed to try. Luffy has a place on the upcoming battlefield; to say otherwise is simply preposterous. To put it another way, Luffy trying =/= succeeding.
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Are you all forgetting Luffy already lost in Impel Down? I'm not surprised, since the loss to Magellan turned out to be utterly meaningless.
In truth, Luffy's strength wasn't even necessary for what is happening. Ivankov could have raided the lower levels and started releasing the most powerful prisoners without him. What bothers me is that lately Luffy has been struggling and losing fight after fight, and yet by pure luck his role is greatly improving in that time and he continues to move up into higher weight classes. It feels like he is being "forced" into his current role because he is the main character, rather than earning it. Losing, name-dropping your dad, and getting help from people who really didn't need you... is not earning it. By the way I'm a big fan of Luffy myself, which is part of why I'm bothered by this. A loss should not be played off like it was nothing. Luffy should earn his role by improving, rather than moving up by luck/name. |
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It been that way for a alot of manga . They don't earn anything they do a training arc or get some random power up .Then i have to ask you a question how would you have him earn it . OP does not have training arcs .Also in this arc there no time for such things any way. If OP is only half way done right now, no way could he could won the first fight. If he had beat or even hurt Kizaru . OP should be near its ending not half way threw. The second is like his croc fight , lost first time but that was needed so he could bring old and new chars into the mix for the ID arc. I much rather that then all of a sudden luffy master haki take down magellan, or rather the whole ID by him self. This way you give him some help and also show how he has improve in his next fight. Last edited by andy; 2009-05-26 at 05:25. |
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Nope, but this arc isn't about the war, it's about Luffy saving Ace..
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At least, the type of character Smoker is, usually are not re-indtroduced to have some real impact in the storyline after they have played their role. Regarding de Vice Admiral, I have always seen them as Canon Fodder or Voices of the author (I.E., created to transmit information to the reader).
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