2010-05-01, 00:34 | Link #9661 |
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It's possible the meta-scenes were added by a later author, or that the meta-scenes do not exist at all in any of the versions of the Rokkenjima stories published in 1998. Just because Ange claims to have heard of Alliance of the Golden Witch doesn't necessarily mean it was exactly the same text.
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2010-05-01, 00:37 | Link #9662 | |
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They can very easily be possessive and have happy relationships. With George and Shannon it's a lot easier since Shannon is a maid and she's used to being ordered around.(That and feminism may or may not have been big in japan then) And just because your possessive doesn't mean your demanding you can be possessive and be protective, which can be an endearing trait sometimes and would be necessary with a family man, which is one reason why George is good with kids. In the case of Kyrie and Rudolf it's much simpler. With Rudolf love = sex so all he has to do is give in to her pushiness once and awhile and as long as they get physical Rudolf is happy. I also don't see Kyrie as the stalker or the pushy type. She's very level headed.
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Because of this, I think we can assume that "Maria" is also the person responsible for the Rokkenjima Explosion. She knew that the truth was never going to survive. This does, however, raise the question as to how she was able to interlace hints into her stories... unless, of course, the letters were written AFTER the Explosion, and 'Maria' is someone who survived... Rosa, perhaps? Like we were discussing earlier? ...Do I really have to explain this? Especially 'what makes George unpleasant'? Last edited by Tyabann; 2010-05-01 at 02:53. |
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2010-05-01, 02:47 | Link #9664 |
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Lambdadelta had every reason to give false scenes in order to trick Battler and Bern, and account for the rest of the episode.
She did "what Beatrice could do but was not willing to do" That's how I understood it.
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2010-05-01, 04:59 | Link #9666 | |
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This inaction is odd whether George is really possessive or not. It's odd even when he's not very serious about Shannon. It being an isolated incident is no help either. The first bottle letter was found within days of the explosion and I can't properly parse the text relating to it regarding time. The first time I reread it, it looked like the police found evidence that the bottle lay undisturbed since before the explosion. Then it turned into 'days after'. In either case that someone would have to write very fast or know about things that didn't happen yet.
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2010-05-01, 06:35 | Link #9667 |
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Abstract thought.
Whenever resurrecting anyone is actually brought up, it's normally in the context of Kinzo performing various oddities in an attempt to resurrect, or more properly, recreate Beatrice in someone else. But looking at the games and Meta-Battler himself, what if it's actually the other way around? The way puzzling experiences heap up onto Battler who always survives to the end, and Beatrice narrating how she doesn't stand a chance of winning, and with what happens when he does 'get it' in Ep5... What if it's Beatrice trying to resurrect Kinzo instead?
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And it wouldn't make post-EP 2 games useless - she's just writing out the games, not determining what is in them. It's still Beatrice's game, Featherinne is just writing a manuscript of it. |
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2010-05-01, 10:57 | Link #9669 |
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As I've been lately playing through ep5 again, trying to see if I can find any odd bits about it, and at the same time, formulate a theory of what might have really happened, I've sometimes come across some strange things. However, one thing, once again, caught my eye specifically. It was during the fight with Battler and Dlanor at the ????, when they talk about mistaking Kinzo on sight.
Apparently, for Battler to have seen Kinzo, it must have been "intentional". In other words, Battler must have specifically lied about seeing Kinzo to Erika. But what reason could Battler have to lie about it? Any ideas?
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2010-05-01, 11:05 | Link #9670 | |
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Mind you, the exact manner in which Erika exists on the board is quite muddled, so Battler may have been lying to himself at the time. Nothing forbids that, if you can't lie even to yourself, whom you can lie to at all? EDIT: Though, this is part of a much more interesting and more general question. At the moment it happens and all the way to Natsuhi's confession scene, Meta-Battler is not in control of his own piece and Bernkastel is supposed to be running him. Seeing Kinzo marks the moment when he openly enters opposition to Erika, who is unambiguously Bernkastel's piece as well. So does this mean that Bernkastel intentionally screws with Erika even though that hampers her own strategy?
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2010-05-01, 11:13 | Link #9671 |
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But why was he brought in the conspiracy? Battler never once joined in it's ranks in the earlier episodes (part of being the detective), so why was he suddenly let into one of the "teams"? Remember that Battler only found gold after the whole thing, so he couldn't have been brought into the conspiracy because he solved the epitaph.
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2010-05-01, 11:32 | Link #9672 | |
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2010-05-01, 12:00 | Link #9674 | |
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I'd say it's quite vague enough to still permit this option.
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2010-05-01, 12:47 | Link #9675 | |
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And well, since it's common for people to mutter the name of the person they think they recognize from distance, or at least this is the case many times in fiction, then I'm not sure if it can be something as complicated as suddenly getting an urge to do a little monoloque to what Kinzo said years ago.
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2010-05-01, 13:56 | Link #9676 | |
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Consider, for example, this sequence:
...Actually, I think I know what could be pointing the other way. It's probably a One Wing ornament or statue or something, that was rotated when the mechanism was activated. One wing is a symbol very strongly associated with Kinzo himself, more than anyone else, even any other Ushiromiya. Battler could have initially recognised it as the wing on Kinzo's cape, embroidered in gold and glittering in the darkness. Then the other point of this scene is giving one more epitaph hint to the reader.
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2010-05-01, 14:10 | Link #9677 | |
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2010-05-01, 14:30 | Link #9678 | |
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...meant to be the 19th. Pardon the pun.
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2010-05-01, 14:40 | Link #9679 |
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Actually, if you didn't already know, her name is a Higurashi in-joke.
Featherinne Feather + in = Hane + yuu (or something like that) Han + yuu Hanyuu Anyway, if Kanon is, in fact, a woman, I suspect that she's Hachijou. If not, I have no idea who she's supposed to be. I guess Asumu is a possibility if Hachijou is in her 50s, but I've never got that impression..... |
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