2008-01-14, 21:44 | Link #122 | |
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You amaze me SD. You are so ignorant its not funny. If I were you, I'd stop posting on the subject, as your just going to make an ass of yourself and offend someone.
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2008-01-14, 21:47 | Link #123 | |
Inglourious Buster
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And Spitfire, what's your problem? If you hold some grudge against me, jut tell me why. Maybe we can do something about that. |
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2008-01-14, 21:50 | Link #124 | |
Mr. Bushido
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I have nothing against you. Its just you sometimes come off as ignorant.
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2008-01-14, 21:54 | Link #125 | |
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Hopefully you're just using the "anime isn't real because it's people drawn on paper argument" instead of the REALISTIC CONTEXT argument that makes an 8th MS Team Gundam in a battle of attrition for survival lend itself to more realism than a Gundam destroying 80 Zaku's or Windams with no sweat while flipping and twirling non-stop.... *Sighs*
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2008-01-14, 21:54 | Link #126 | |
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I think you got serious issues there. 'Cause I might be ignorant about things. But I think that level of ignorance is acceptable, unlike your drive to offend others. |
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2008-01-14, 21:56 | Link #127 | |
Mr. Bushido
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I was never out to offend anyone. Let me just say that. but I'm getting off topic, so I'm done.
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2008-01-14, 21:57 | Link #128 | |
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2008-01-14, 22:01 | Link #129 | ||
Inglourious Buster
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Anyways, back to the topic: Let me quote a part of winter45's post: Quote:
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2008-01-14, 22:08 | Link #130 |
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Was that my point? I coulda swore I was talking about realistic context that many UC fans take into account when we talk about realism in Gundam...I love FREEDOM just as much as the next guy, but the context inwhich it is presented doesn't lend itself to the same relative sense of realism...Which was the point to perhaps why some of those army guys might not have like it that much in comparison...It very well may have been the teen soap element they didn't like (which I thought was great in SEED, horrific in GSD)...But there IS a certain context of realism and grittyness that C.E. lacks inwhich UC provides...To say it is a joke, is to either be sweeping or to simply be misinformed (Especially when Gundam is credited with creating the Real Robot genre)...
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2008-01-14, 22:15 | Link #131 | ||
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By the way, as wingdarkness alludes, this doesn't apply to Seed and Destiny. They are only as realistic as The Empire Strikes Back. Quote:
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2008-01-14, 22:19 | Link #132 | |
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And in SEED Destiny, I think Fukuda himself underestimated his own fans. |
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2008-01-14, 22:27 | Link #133 |
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Hi guys i would to clear a few things up.... it may take a few posts but ill get there...
First of all Australia is very multi-cultural.... In my plattoon we had 9 White Austrlians (caucasians). We had Asians (chinese, japanese, vietnemese), spanish (me), Turkish, lebanese and so forth.... So a good portion of the viewers were not from those 3 continents. I would also like to point out that Gundam wasnt the only anime i brought with me. Macross DYRL, SAGA, 7 and PLUS, Vandred, Vanhellsing, FMA and carp load more. It was specificly CE and WING that wasnt very enjoyable to the soldiers. Ill list a few reasons y they dislike CE but its nothing that you havnt heard before... Kira is a cheap character. Military powers are retarded None to little Teamwork were executed Lacus too onipetant Kira crying every 2nd episode Athrun had a ghey complex with Kira The grunts fight in a retarded fashion Beamspamming is not cool No real opposition that could of made CE more balanced like some UC shows. (CHAR) World leaders are just a joke Shinn is refused to get character development Mind rapes wins the battle Main cast are terrorists and plus alot more Interesting enough Flay, Shinn, Natarle Badgiruel and Andrew Waltfeld, (before he defected) are the more popular characters to the soldiers who were watching the show. Ill post up some more explanations when i have the time... |
2008-01-14, 22:35 | Link #134 | |
Inglourious Buster
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With this half of your arguments I totally agree (Shinn's character development being my greatest complaint about the show next to MS overload and reused scenes). The rest being something I saw in different shades with a different approach or did not notice at all. |
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2008-01-14, 22:38 | Link #135 |
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we probably need a thread with a poll asking how many people think GUNDAM is realistic.......anyways its moot to argue with you any further wingdarkness on this subject of realism in gundam
we clearly have different views, i'm pretty sure they have military advisors working for bandai but having a super pilot saving the world destroys the fabric of that reality.....they use real elements to creat an unrealistic world....having these machine that defy logic is already undermining that realism there are too many fantasy elements for me to be on a consensus that gundam oozes realism real robot genre? what is that, is it a genre pertaining to the real robots thats fighting wars in real life?....just because the word 'real' is attach to a label doesnt make it real, it is in every sense a fanstasy robot show under the genre 'real robot genre' real robot genre was created to give the viewers the illusion that they are watching something hyper realistic so that the show can connect to the veiwer on a personal level Last edited by bbduece; 2008-01-14 at 23:10. |
2008-01-14, 22:48 | Link #136 |
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Turn A gundam, MS08th team, and war in your pocket where the main 3 enjoyable ones.
Turn A for character develpment and story. (Mind you there isnt a battle every episode) , MS8th team for team work and some sense of battlefield realism, War in the pocket coz it had a powerfull anti-war theme. In fact 2 of the guys started crying when barnie died So i hope this clears that we are westerners and only watch politcs and war.... I Feel so sorry to that poster but you are SO WRONG!!!!!!! |
2008-01-14, 22:49 | Link #137 |
Inglourious Buster
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I've never really searched for realism in manga/anime. So this is by no means any requirement for a good show to me. I liked SEED for it being a teen soap space opera with cool mechas. It touched me. Destiny was just the same, but about two stars down
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2008-01-14, 22:55 | Link #138 | |
Inglourious Buster
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Is it addressed to me? I never claimed that Westerners watch only politics and war. I was just trying to say that I think most Western soldiers would not understand the Japanese teen soap form of SEED, that's all. It's just a wrong audience to target with such series. |
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2008-01-14, 23:02 | Link #139 | |
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Don't tell me they like any of it for the military or even political realism because there are almost none in the entire Gundam franchise. To be honest I started watching gundam because of the space/scifi aspect of it not the fighting robots. |
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