The Character Discussion Thread of SOS団 Member: Kyon

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Don't be silly. Kyon is Krillin.

[GDB]

Also works, since at that time Roshi was speaking of both Goku and Krillin. So that makes Haruhi Goku, I suppose.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

... Now I want to see a golden-haired Haruhi.

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by Kogetsu Shirogane

... Now I want to see a golden-haired Haruhi.

INB4 Photoshop.

[Hell_ping]

^Be4 golden hair its over 9000... after that ITS OFF THE CHARTS!

At least Krillin doesnt get grabbed by the collar or forced by Goku to do any weird things. (But from a certain series called haruhi-chan it seems that everyone in SOS-dan can do a kamehameha...)

And about the fight, ashez2ashes, this is so gonna be Haruhi-chan 9 all over again lol. We noe Kyon can fight against a truck anyway

PS: Wonder if anyone thought of a super fusion between Haruhi and Kyon...

[Tornadium]

Originally Posted by Full Metal Coast

ever since i started reading the series i have always thought that Haruhi definately like Kyon but Kyon on the other hand is extremely reluctant to even admit to himself that he sees Haruhi nothing more than a burden that he has to look after but in reality actually does have stronger feeling for her.

Spoiler:

Kyon by nature is an unreliable narrator. However at key points he actually admits what he really thinks. It's obvious Kyon cares deeply about Haruhi, The problem is he is at odds with his feelings for her and her eccentric nature.

For the majority of the time he tries to focus on the negative points that Haruhi has, Yet he is called out on it time and time again in the novels especially by Itsuki. Think of it this way, Kyon doesn't know what he wants to do with regards to Haruhi. Although in Book 9 he FINALLY admits that Haruhi likes him. By this point he is also getting closer to Haruhi so who knows

To me it really seems like Kyon seriously wants Haruhi to mellow out and treat other people better, wants Nagato to open up a bit more and acknowledge her emotions, and wants Asahina to develop more confidence and self-esteem like her older self (though he's still unnerved by Asahina (big), which complicates matters).

Spoiler:

It's pretty well known that he wants Haruhi to mellow out and have an ordinary life, Yet he himself admits that he loves Haruhi's weirdness and eccentricities. Kyon is pretty much the most indecisive person in the history of the world.

You are definately correct with the points regarding Yuki and Mikuru...Haruhi we don't really know what his reasons are. They could sway either way because Kyon is just unreliable by nature.

Originally Posted by Heatth

No, it is not about the infertile part I would say these metaphor only prooves he likes Mikuru, but not he dislake Haruhi. He says he don't like her pretty much every book, yet we knows this is not true (because how he acts in pretty much every book).

Spoiler:

With regards to Mikuru, She is basically Kyon's "White Knight" crush. A girl who is fragile and needs protecting. The reasoning behind him saying he likes Mikuru and dislikes Haruhi is simply because of the huge differences in both characters. Haruhi by nature does things which normal people don't do. It's obvious he would complain about it. Whereas Mikuru is the sweet kind innocent girl so obviously she is going to get a lot more praise.

The really key point i think is when Kyon has somthing GOOD to say about Haruhi, it usually carries more significance than the rest of the compliments to any of the characters combined.

[freakonboard]

Originally Posted by Kogetsu Shirogane

Kyon's a male tsundere in regards to Haruhi. Let's just leave it at that.

Quote for emphasis.

[Tornadium]

Originally Posted by freakonboard

Quote for emphasis.

Haruhi and Kyon are both very mild Tsunderes.

It's very rarely shown in full light but it is definately there.

[Takamura Mamoru]

I don't think he wants Mikuru to change, at all. She panders to his fetishes, after all.

He even said she "only needs to remain herself" at one point.

[Tornadium]

Originally Posted by Takamura Mamoru

I don't think he wants Mikuru to change, at all. She panders to his fetishes, after all.

He even said she "only needs to remain herself" at one point.

That entire monologue by Kyon has many different interpretations.

We still don't know exactly what he means by it as a whole.

[Hell_ping]

^Could also be hinting at what's to come at the future as well. Koizumi did mention that the Organisation was wary of Mikuru's organisation. And the device that Mikuru uses, isnt it some sort of time plane destroyer as well?

Kyon as a 'mild tsundere', except that his feelings for haruhi werent exactly romantic ones, otherwise it will fit perfectly.

[Tornadium]

Originally Posted by Teh_Ping

Kyon as a 'mild tsundere', except that his feelings for haruhi werent exactly romantic ones, otherwise it will fit perfectly.

Well you can't really say they arn't romantic, The feelings Kyon feels can be extremely hard to catagorise since they seem to change on a daily basis and the method which he expressed them also changes.

[typhonsentra]

Where in book 9 does he admit to recognizing Haruhi's feelings?

Spoiler:

I only read the early, very rough draft of the translation way back when but I remember him denying until the very end during Koizumi's interrogation.

[Hell_ping]

Originally Posted by Tornadium

Well you can't really say they arn't romantic, The feelings Kyon feels can be extremely hard to catagorise since they seem to change on a daily basis and the method which he expressed them also changes.

Well, i did say it wasnt exactly romantic, but you're right, its hard to categorise these feelings becoz its more like a mix, considering that for almost everything haruhi has done, there is Kyon behind her, even if his approach is somewhat...

Typhonsentra, I do remember seeing that part when I was skimming through like god knows how long ago, but kinda forgotten which part as well. Maybe u should try baka-tsuki?

[Tornadium]

Originally Posted by Teh_Ping

Well, i did say it wasnt exactly romantic, but you're right, its hard to categorise these feelings becoz its more like a mix, considering that for almost everything haruhi has done, there is Kyon behind her, even if his approach is somewhat...

Yea i getcha, I was just pointing it out. Kyon will stick by Haruhi to the end, He realises that himself in Sighs

Spoiler:

And in Disapperance even moreso

A LOT of the hints in the novel pointed towards romance with maybe a few small arrows...The anime however seems to be putting up Huge Vegas Lighting shows pointing towards Romance though.

Originally Posted by typhonsentra

Where in book 9 does he admit to recognizing Haruhi's feelings?

Spoiler:

I only read the early, very rough draft of the translation way back when but I remember him denying until the very end during Koizumi's interrogation.

Spoiler:

It was when Koizumi and Kyon were talking about Sasaki and that someone would mind if Kyon started to get close to Sasaki again due to Jealousy. Koizumi says somthing to do with Haruhi being unable to interpret the different types of Love between people and she is Jealous of Kyon's relationship with Haruhi and that she cares for Kyon to which he says in a monologue " I knew it".

Somthing like that at least.

I'll dig it up

[Tabasco]

I think this is what you're looking for.

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Spoiler for I think this is what you're looking for:

"From my viewpoint, if we attribute everything to Suzumiya-san's jealousy of Sasaki-san,
everything will be much easier to understand."
I am afraid I have to rebut this statement. I did not say the following for anyone else, but
for the good of Haruhi......
"She was the one who mentioned that love relationships are a kind of mental illness!"
"Then I shall ask you, do you think Suzumiya-san's psychological skills would be able to see
through all the different kinds of love between males and females?"
Definitely not.
"I thought so too. Suzumiya-san thinks she understands it very well even though she
doesn't. Her maturity does not vary much compared to girls of the same age as her. From
here, you can see that she is actually a very normal teenage girl, except that she just isn't
frank enough with herself."
I don't think you are qualified enough to say that. From my perspective, you are someone
who isn't very frank as well.
"Really?"
Koizumi stopped his smile that resembled that of an ancient mask, while he stroked his
cheeks as if acting.
"It seems my skills are still not enough, you actually saw through it so easily."
He spread out his two hands and shook his head.
"If we are to analyze this, then we can say that after Suzumiya-san found out that you have
a friend that she doesn't know of from the past, and had an emotion that could not be
described. Although she might have considered that such an incident may take place, she
hadn't really seen it happening till now. Such an emotion cannot be described as just
jealousy, but an emotion that is more primitive and natural. I will put it another way if you
still cannot comprehend. You ought to have at least a few old friends. This, Suzumiya-san
can understand. Even if there are any female friends, there is nothing to be surprised
about. But having Sasaki-san proclaim herself that you are a very close friend of hers is
something that is unexpected. Even though I already knew of her existence, it still comes as
quite a surprise to me as well."
"I understa....... no, I totally do not understand."
"Because Suzumiya-san had always been in a state of loneliness throughout middle school,
the phrase 'close friend' may have been quite a shock to her."
"Didn't she want it that way herself? Where she would be 'aloof from worldly affairs'?"Suzumiya Haruhi:Volume9 Full Text 38
"There should still be a bit of shock. For example, if I have a friend of the opposite gender
whom you do not know of suddenly appearing in front of you, how would you feel?"
"Do you really have one?"
I lifted my body outwards while asking that. Even if this guy has a girlfriend behind my
back, it wouldn't be surprising at all.
Koizumi gave a bitter smile.
"This example is not very good. I should not use myself as an example. So if Asahina-san
had a very close male friend in the past, and they are still rather close even till now?"
Perhaps I would not feel too good. But......
"This can't be quite possible. Asahina-san and Nagato are not here to play or sightsee."
I think that it would be better if they were able to unwind a bit more and have fun instead.
And Asahina-san's past is actually the future that is very far from us isn't it?
"This is only an assumption. What if it is true, what would you think? There should be a
strange feeling that could not be described isn't there? It isn't jealousy, nor is it confusion.
First, Asahina-san did not pay any special attention to the guy, and on the surface, it is as if
there are no special feelings between them. Even you yourself cannot figure out what is
happening. Thus, questioning yourself about that aimlessly would be pretty stupid. And so
attempting to forget such an incident is the best way to go about it. And now, you can try
applying the example of Asahina-san and yourself to you and Suzumiya-san."

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[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Please use spoiler tags for that. Not only because it's an actual spoiler, but because it's also a wall of text.

[sacundim]

I second the spoiler tags. Also, more space between the paragraphs would be better.

Anyway, we've discussed Kyon's awareness of Haruhi's feelings toward him a few weeks ago. This is the link to my post on the topic, but to summarize:

Spoiler for Sighs II, Live Alive, novel 9:

Kyon's narration shows well before novel 9 that he knows that Haruhi's got feelings for him, and that he's concerned about what she might do if she gets jealous over him. His denial of this to Koizumi is just obfuscating obliviousness.

I must say that I think that this thread has recently taken a bit too much of a Kyon x Haruhi shipping bent. The way I see it, we've got to take Kyon's failure to pursue Haruhi at face value (more so considering the spoiler above) and just say that she just annoys him too much. I'd say that so far in the story, Kyon would prefer a relationship with Asahina more than with any of the other girls—and the relationship would fail, on many grounds.

More generally, I think that Kyon and the three girls would have to develop and mature more for any of the pairings to work. We're not going to see any couples in this series until we see some more important character development happen.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by sacundim

I must say that I think that this thread has recently taken a bit too much of a Kyon x Haruhi shipping bent. The way I see it, we've got to take Kyon's failure to pursue Haruhi at face value (more so considering the spoiler above) and just say that she just annoys him too much. I'd say that so far in the story, Kyon would prefer a relationship with Asahina more than with any of the other girls—and the relationship would fail, on many grounds.

Taking anything Kyon says about how he feels at face value is an exercise in futility.

Case in point:

Spoiler for Up to Vol. 9:

Sasaki.

Kyon tells the readers he has no feelings for her other than as a "not close" friend, but...

He says in an earlier book that he "thinks about her once every few days". Is that normal for a person you didn't even consider to be "close" to, for someone you haven't contacted in over a year?

And his dream sequence/flashback later in Vol. 9 reeks to me of a guy simply trying to impress a girl he's crushing on... which, note, is the same way he behaves towards Haruhi the first time he tries talking to her.

I view the whole thing with Sasaki as Kyon being emo about failing to enter a relationship with her and thus refusing to contact her again, since he get couldn't what he wanted.

Also note that Haruhi and Sasaki are physically similar.

Just food for thought.

Two other things: a) KyonxMikuru has pretty much been impossible from the beginning, and if you don't believe that Kyon, at the very least, cares about Haruhi a hell of a lot, you need to read Vol. 4 again.

[Heatth]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Taking anything Kyon says about how he feels at face value is an exercise in futility.

Case in point:

Spoiler for Up to Vol. 9:

Sasaki.

Kyon tells the readers he has no feelings for her other than as a "not close" friend, but...

He says in an earlier book that he "thinks about her once every few days". Is that normal for a person you didn't even consider to be "close" to, for someone you haven't contacted in over a year?

And his dream sequence/flashback later in Vol. 9 reeks to me of a guy simply trying to impress a girl he's crushing on... which, note, is the same way he behaves towards Haruhi the first time he tries talking to her.

I view the whole thing with Sasaki as Kyon being emo about failing to enter a relationship with her and thus refusing to contact her again, since he get couldn't what he wanted.

Also note that Haruhi and Sasaki are physically similar.

Just food for thought.

I totally agree with you.

Spoiler for Vol. 9:

The 'not close yet thinking about her every few days' sound similar to when he tells Taniguchi (in the first book) he is not remotelly interested in Haruhi, but spend the first moth of his High School Life paying attention in her odditys and asking Taniguchi about her. I really don't trust Kyon here.

Btw, I never have noticied the similaritys between Kyon first talk with Sasaki and his first talk with Haruhi. You are absolutelly right. Nice thinking.

The only problem with this kind of thinking is why he only call her by her surname, not by her name, like she does with Haruhi (pretty much since they first met).