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View Poll Results: Critique of Episode 46 | |||
10 out of 10: Near Perfect... | 5 | 17.86% | |
9 out of 10: Excellent... | 7 | 25.00% | |
8 out of 10: Very Good... | 7 | 25.00% | |
7 out of 10: Good... | 6 | 21.43% | |
6 out of 10: Average... | 1 | 3.57% | |
5 out of 10: Below Average... | 1 | 3.57% | |
4 out of 10: Poor... | 1 | 3.57% | |
3 out of 10: Bad... | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10: Very Bad... | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10: Torturous... | 0 | 0% | |
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2012-09-08, 00:08 | Link #101 | |
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Well for the record he DID kill quite a number of Vagans. I mean there must've been hundreds of Vagans on that battleship he shot down over olivernotes.
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2012-09-08, 02:33 | Link #102 |
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No, manning up makes someone a man. The Vagan has done horrible things, at least the ones that are actively trying to kill him. Think how Getter Robo Armageddon turned out if the younger team tried to talk to the Invaders that were trying to eat them, or Gurren Lagann if Simon agreed with the Anti-Spiral, or Shin Mazinger Z if Kouji just let Dr.Hell gain Photon Power even though Dr.Hell's first attempt of communication with Kouji was to try and wipe out his city and kill everyone.
Kio can try his little communicate thing, just off the battlefield. No matter what he says he isn't going to change the minds of hardened and loyal soldiers just because he's a kid that really wants understanding. |
2012-09-08, 07:16 | Link #103 |
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Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not denying that Kio is naive. But to be completely fair, nothing has happened in front of Kio's eyes yet that challenges his naiveté. Such as the death of an ally due to his inaction. Someone needs to be his sacrifical Woolf.
See, the thing about being naive is that people don't magically stop being naive just because someone tells them to. Usually it takes an event that shakes up the image of the world that they've built up to that point. IE at this point I don't think there is bad writing yet. At least not concerning Kio's actions. |
2012-09-08, 14:12 | Link #105 | |
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btw, I find your comments incredibly ironic considering who you have as your avatar...you know, endless waltz and all....
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2012-09-08, 15:01 | Link #106 | |
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Actually during the moon battle when he was fighting he was crying out to the Vagans in general that they should all understand and not fight.
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2012-09-08, 16:40 | Link #108 | |
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Granted, the Federation is corrupt okay we understand that. When the colonization failed the higher-ups covered it up and the rest became history. That there is a huge betrayal on their end and in the end Flit made them pay the price for it. But wait! As Kio finds out it's not even about that. It's all for some crazy Destiny plan that Ezcelant cooked up to find the best and strongest for his Eden plan and that also involved killing his own people. That's what makes zero sense on how Kio came to the conclusion about "understanding" and get's a big fat zero on that part. If the war started because some Federation warship opened fire by accident and killed a Vagan civilian ship, I could see that but that's not what the war is about. It's about revealing the truth that the Vagans are being misled but as we've seen with Asemu that avenue didn't work at all. IMO that's what Kio should've been doing but crying on the battlefield is the worst place to do it. Kio understands nothing. He meets one sick girl and all of a sudden the war is about misunderstanding? It's like meeting a sick German girl in WWII that had no knowledge of what was happening in the war and then all of a sudden every Imperial Japanese soldiers' (Loyal to Emperor) actions are excused and they should be protected? He also complains about Flit not understanding but he should be aware that Flit lost a whole lot of loved ones over the decades and that takes a huge toll on an individual. At the very least he should try to understand him instead of preaching his nonsense. It would've helped a lot of Kio had met other civilians on Vaga that weren't too happy with the way the war was going and such but so far in AGE we've seen like nothing on the Vagan side. I mean with all of them like Zeheart, how the hell does one even reason with them? Last edited by SoldierOfDarkness; 2012-09-08 at 18:06. Reason: Per Revolutionists |
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2012-09-08, 18:00 | Link #110 | |
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Vagans resemble the Imperial Japanese Army more than anything. Fiercely loyal and fanatical towards their leader, with countless atrocities under their belt that sure made Hitler-sama proud...
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2012-09-08, 20:23 | Link #112 | |||||||
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What vicious cycle?
Despite all the atrocities the Vagans committed nobody in the Federation we've seen so far wants to go as far as they did. Even when Flit was in command he was focused on building a shield to protect. And now that Second Moon is in the vicinty even the Federation officers aren't exactly on board with Flit's "destroy them all" mood. Even with the Plasma Driver missile the top brass wasn't keen on using it either. This isn't Gundam SEED where the Alliance builds nukes and ZAFT retaliates with GENESIS cannons and vice versa. Hell the Federation in G2 was willing to sit down and have peace talks and you say the whole thing is a vicicous cycle? Person A keeps attacking Person B who tries to defend himself but at the same time refuses to drop to Person's A level and keeps trying to offer peace. Quote:
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And no, this whole war is about Ezcelant and his destiny plan (he's the leader running the show). That's why the Federation cannot make peace with the Vagans because it's not your typical conventional war. This is one madman's experiment. Quote:
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Any war that goes for more than a year the populace is more than ready to revolt against you in this day and age. It is hard to believe that the populace would follow a man for nearly 100 years with no results being produced (seriously, even Zeheart noticed that the operations were always giving the Feds a chance to survive which would prolong the war. Surely he can't be the only one to notice that). Hot heads like Zanald IMO are the kind that would lead a coup, take over, and work towards finishing the war faster. My beef with Kio is that he preaches nonsence about understanding and to stop fighting when in fact it's NOT about misunderstanding. And in regards to his understanding how can he claim to understand the sorrows of the Vagans through one little girl he barely knew and not the pain and suffering his own grandfather (whom he spent his whole life with)? It's just plain stupidity that makes no sense. Last edited by SoldierOfDarkness; 2012-09-08 at 20:35. |
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2012-09-08, 20:38 | Link #114 |
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Nice try but I didn't put any words in your mouth. For example you say that this whole thing is a a vicious cycle yet I'm calling you on it and you can't even back it up.
You claim that no populace would be unhappy with a person who spends 100 years waging war with a faction that they could easily win yet as history tells the populace would revolt even after a year. Hell even North Korea who worships their leader and are starving have defectors now and then. You claim the Federation is in the wrong throughout this whole ordeal(or just as bad) yet it's them that have offered the peace treaties yet the Vagans hold even colonies that aren't aligned with them as guilty as the next guy. If all you can come up with is straw arguments then don't come back and say I'm putting words in your mouth. |
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