2010-12-22, 12:09 | Link #20201 | |
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After all, they had two people who were supposed to be the same person within that catbox. If Will had pressed Shannon to bring Kanon here, she might've just brought Lion, or spectral projected Kanon beside them. |
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2010-12-22, 14:55 | Link #20202 | ||
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2010-12-22, 15:08 | Link #20203 | |
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2010-12-22, 16:18 | Link #20208 |
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"I'm going to sleep for a few centuries." "Good, fuck off and never wake up, I hate you."
As for Erika and Shannon/Kanon, technically Erika never saw them; that scene was in Battler's perspective,and he says that Kanon was behind Gohda.
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2010-12-22, 17:34 | Link #20209 | |
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However, it shows Battler's picture, which would imply it's from Meta-Battler's point of view- but, then why would he have used the quotation marks around the I? I don't really know what happened there |
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2010-12-22, 18:42 | Link #20211 |
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Again, lets do a big if - If Dine's laws apply to these games then how would this one fit in those scenes in EP5
2. No willful tricks or deceptions may be placed on the reader other than those played legitimately by the criminal on the detective himself. |
2010-12-22, 19:31 | Link #20214 |
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Yea, except no. Because Beatrice isn't the culprit, and that doesn't change how Dine's rules work just because we thought otherwise.
We haven't even been told how many of Dine's rules apply. I wouldn't bother with any except what's been stated in Red regarding them, since we didn't get 100% of the Knox rules.
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2010-12-22, 19:41 | Link #20215 | |
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For a while I've been telling that each murder mystery is nothing but a game where the murder kills people but nor for real. The fake part shouldn't even be questioned at this point. But why you think that this opportunity killer is even part of Beatrice's games, if the games are based on stories that were written before the actual event? Hachijo said that she was able to reach the truth by reading the messages in the bottle. Rationally speaking this opportunity killer shouldn't exist at all in those stories. Beatrice wrote those stories with herself as the killer. What Battler (and we) is supposed to understand is Beatrice's game, her heart, her motives. And if you re-watch Battler's epiphany in EP5 you'll realize that he only understood all of these stuff and not some kind of foreign element in Beatrice's story. So basically what I mean to say is that whether this opportunity killer exist or not, it has nothing to do with Beatrice's game. Beatrice wouldn't include him in her games, because her objective is not to make Battler understand the truth of the Rokkenjima incident, but the truth of her heart.
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2010-12-22, 19:59 | Link #20216 | |||||
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Even still, Meta-Beatrice can't really be the culprit, since Battler is trying to disprove her existence; She can't be the culprit anymore than Meta-Battler can be the culprit, since he can't actually investigate anything, or trust in what he's shown. He's a Reader. Quote:
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Also, lolEP3.
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2010-12-22, 20:12 | Link #20218 | |
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But then the writing is a problem, no? Ange saw the messages in ep4... (Or Yasu actually survived in rokkenjima-prime and wrote it afterwards... but we have no clues for it, or do we?) |
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2010-12-22, 20:13 | Link #20219 |
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^^^^^
There might be clues! We still dont know how that Sakutaro got there, either it was made before the events or it was made after it! Lets go deeper into this, lets assume it was done before the events, a likely scenario. Rosa made it for Maria and intended to give it to her during the family conference, forgot about it and left in the boat by accident. Rosa made it because she noticed that Maria was delving farther into the world of witches ever since she ripped the previous one up. The other possibility is that it was made after the events in Rokkenjima, that means that someone that knew about Sakutaro made it and that somehow it got to the captains house. Seems less likely but its still probable. Someone survived the events and wrote down the events with possible spins to it, how long was it for someone thats missing and feared to be dead considered legally dead again? Last edited by Cao Ni Ma; 2010-12-22 at 20:47. |
2010-12-22, 20:15 | Link #20220 |
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LolEP3 wasn't written by Beatrice.
Anyway why are you giving for granted that Beatrice is protecting someone else? I'm merely saying that you should consider the possibility, you are the one that is taking stuff for granted without a real certainty. I think Beatrice needs to be the culprit if her objective is to make Battler understand her heart. That's because of what Battler told her 6 years before. "In order to understand the whydunit you need to understand the culprit's heart". I think you are very far from the truth if you think Beatrice has such reasons behind her actions. Beatrice created this game for herself, she wasn't covering anyone's ass, she doesn't have any reason to cover George's ass nor she can possibly cover something that big and fatty, not even with her magic.
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