(L+CR) Overlord Season 3

[pervypig]

^ The way those elves grinned and kicked literally make me lol'ed out of my chair... Are they elves or zombies? Also, I want a Hamsuki hug pillow now...

Oh another note, I was expecting to see some fan-service when Mare struck the ground on the Emperor's palace. Who wouldn't want to see a trap flash his panties anyway...

[Greenish Growth]

Episode 9:

Spoiler:

We finally got to see what Ainz was referring to when he had earlier said "Fluder said..." I didn't want to mention it until the scene was shown in the anime.

The Emperor can see through Princess Renner's real self, but he can't see through Ainz.

[GreyZone]

I like how Madhouse included the gesture about "demanding silence" which Ainz specifically was shown to practise in ep1 here and how EVERYONE in the room was completely awed by it.

[Yan3242]

Amazing build up episode.

Btw i notice when demiurge use his voice to make them kneel, only jircniv seems not affected by it, whats weird is nobody on ainz side notice and question it? I mean if iam on ainz side and saw that i would at least ask why he seems fine? Unless deimurge specify his voice spell to not affect jircniv but it didnt seems like it.

On the other hand iam glad ainz is back to his usual self, acting as overlord yet confused at the same time thanks to demiurge and albedo, this is the ainz that i like most.

That last minute before the end is just wow, fluder is actually the first to fall for ain?, i was expecting someone from empire side will help ainz but didnt expecting the old man.

If there is one thing i dont like from this episode 9 is that, when jircniv and others see ainz on the throne, they didnt seem to be... shock? Or at least surprised that ainz is skeleton? I though most of them will going to get scared shitless when they see ainz for the first time but, they just shrug it and give lame response, whats up with that? I though a supreme undead lich skeleton suppose to be like "extremely bad news" category or something like that.

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by Endscape

Ainz doesn't care about reducing casualties, what he cares about is not getting accused of being an evil conqueror by other Players, or worse his friends.

What I quoted says "I shouldn't kill more people than necessary" and that's not the same thing as "If I kill someone I must make sure nobody thinks it was me".

Originally Posted by Endscape

If they were to say that Aura and Mare went too far, he'll just blame them for being too passionate about it.

He'll also blame Demiurge for deciding to conquer the world? I don't think he believes the players to be that stupid.
Besides, he cares about his NPC, he doesn't want the players to antagonize them any more than he wants them to antagonize himself. Putting the blame on them it's not something that he would do or that he would think as a solution to this problem.

Originally Posted by Fwarlord

There's no other money, their payment was paid by the Empire's noble, who heard about the ruin through the information Ainz spread. Your metaphor is right, his intention wasn't to kill any one particularly, he just wanted to attract the lowest criminals to the tomb for the sake of his agenda while doing the world the favor of getting rid of them. The prime example is the elven slave whom he spared, since they were forced to come against their will.

According to Endscape he arranged for the workers to be paid. So which it is? The anime doesn't really show much about that.

Originally Posted by DemonneoPT

The thing is, Arche and the other workers were ok to risk their life for this particular job. Exploring and killing monsters is a dangerous profession and those guys choose it willingly.

Willing to risk your life and willing to die are not exactly the same thing. That's the same difference between willing to wager all of your money and willing to part with all of your money.

To make a comparison it's as if someone robbed the clients of a casino and then said "well, they were all willing to lose their money anyway."

Originally Posted by GreyZone

People seem to overlook the fact that the Workers are illegally trespassing into another country.

I've always said that their only guilt is trespassing.

[Randrak42]

Originally Posted by Yan3242

Amazing build up episode.

Btw i notice when demiurge use his voice to make them kneel, only jircniv seems not affected by it, whats weird is nobody on ainz side notice and question it? I mean if iam on ainz side and saw that i would at least ask why he seems fine? Unless deimurge specify his voice spell to not affect jircniv but it didnt seems like it.

Spoiler for LN Information that was Cut:

It wasn't anything special. Jircniv simply had a magical medallion that protected him from mind control magic.

[Yan3242]

^ i see, they could just mention it like one extra sentence or something.

[frodonk]

One thing I can't understand though..

How was Ainz so sure that Fluder would pledge allegiance to him once he reveals himself?

[Stark700]

Jircniv took a big risk tbh. There was a good chance he could of never returned.

That being said, it'll be interesting to see how successful Ainz's plans will be. Compared to the previous episode, I felt like there was a decent amount of psychology. On the comical note, I love how the Floor Guardians are giving him all sorts of nicknames.

[GreyZone]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

I've always said that their only guilt is trespassing.

Not "only trespassing". They, from the Baharut Empire, are taking things from the territory of the Re-Estize Kingdom. That's not just trespassing, that's theft and not just any theft.

According to what I expect from such a middle-aged setting, by law the whole kingdom belongs to Kingdom/Royal Family and probably the nobles who are granted a fief. And considering how in Carne village tax related matters were mentioned in direct relation to the Kingdom and not some local lord, it is safe to assume that the area around nazarick does NOT belong to a fief of a noble, but is rather located in an area in direct control of the Royal Family.

In other words, the Workers were not just trespassers and thieves - they were thieves of belongings (by law) of the Royal Family of Re-Estize! And they were fully aware of it, considering how the Workers themselves discussed about having to be careful not to get found out and getting the wrath of the Re-Estize Kingdom's Royal Family upon themselves.

[blakstealth]

did Ainz just serve these muh fugga's some OJ?

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by GreyZone

Not "only trespassing". They, from the Baharut Empire, are taking things from the territory of the Re-Estize Kingdom. That's not just trespassing, that's theft and not just any theft.

According to what I expect from such a middle-aged setting, by law the whole kingdom belongs to Kingdom/Royal Family and probably the nobles who are granted a fief. And considering how in Carne village tax related matters were mentioned in direct relation to the Kingdom and not some local lord, it is safe to assume that the area around nazarick does NOT belong to a fief of a noble, but is rather located in an area in direct control of the Royal Family.

In other words, the Workers were not just trespassers and thieves - they were thieves of belongings (by law) of the Royal Family of Re-Estize! And they were fully aware of it, considering how the Workers themselves discussed about having to be careful not to get found out and getting the wrath of the Re-Estize Kingdom's Royal Family upon themselves.

Yes, but:
- the Empire and the Kingdom are already at war. It's not a very hot war, but they still have a battle every year.
- in the middle ages, the borders and territory were more fluid than now. If you can't - or won't - project strength somewhere, is it really your land? Carne's a frontier village, and one might argue that the Tomb, like the Forest, are "wild" lands, not belonging to any human.
- Adventurers were very much involved in the enterprise. Just saying.

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

According to Endscape he arranged for the workers to be paid. So which it is? The anime doesn't really show much about that.

He ordered Fluder to manipulate the Emperor to manipulate the noble who hired the Workers.

[Randrak42]

Originally Posted by frodonk

One thing I can't understand though..

How was Ainz so sure that Fluder would pledge allegiance to him once he reveals himself?

It's Ainz... of course he didn't know. Like usual, his luck stat is over 9000

[frodonk]

Originally Posted by Randrak42

It's Ainz... of course he didn't know. Like usual, his luck stat is over 9000

SASUGA AINZ-SAMA!!

[Rnzlr]

Originally Posted by frodonk

One thing I can't understand though..

How was Ainz so sure that Fluder would pledge allegiance to him once he reveals himself?

Demiurge was. Just like he was sure that Golden Princess would betray her people.

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

What I quoted says "I shouldn't kill more people than necessary" and that's not the same thing as "If I kill someone I must make sure nobody thinks it was me".

Here's the quote you posted.

If there are players from Yggdrasil here, I would like to help them. So I don't antagonize them I shouldn't kill more than I have to.

"So I don't antagonize them" is the operative part of that sentence. Reducing casualties is simply a process to achieve that. The false flags are another way, which lets him kill more people, which is more efficient to him.

He'll also blame Demiurge for deciding to conquer the world? I don't think he believes the players to be that stupid.
Besides, he cares about his NPC, he doesn't want the players to antagonize them any more than he wants them to antagonize himself. Putting the blame on them it's not something that he would do or that he would think as a solution to this problem.

Yeah, he's already decided to blame the NPC's if push comes to shove, though that was limited to other guild members.

[DemonneoPT]

Hmmm, how da hell Demiurge knew the blonde King was planning to use one or more of the Nazarick's guardians against Ainz? Did the anime skipped important information again? :/

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

Willing to risk your life and willing to die are not exactly the same thing. That's the same difference between willing to wager all of your money and willing to part with all of your money.

To make a comparison it's as if someone robbed the clients of a casino and then said "well, they were all willing to lose their money anyway."

But Foresight was not robbed even if Nazarick lured them to a trap, because they could eventually find a powerfull monster and meet their doom anyway. They gambled their life but unfortunately, you can't bet only 20% of it. It's an all in situation. When someone dies, they die for it's entirety.
Adventurers/workers have a dangerous job. Who knows how many of them die in a single month. High risk, high reward in exploring the unknown. The ones chosing such profession must be prepared to face death all the time (Hai to Gensou no Grimgar portrays this so well). No wonder most of them seem to retire very early, unless they really like that life and to fight..lol. As soon as they colect a certain ammont of gold, they are set for the rest of their lives. Arche was no different. The reason why she chose being a worker was to get unusual ammounts of coin in a small period of time, so she could pay her family's debt and live a peaceful life with her sisters. High risk, high reward. Bad luck this time tho. She had a choice and gambled her life. The civilians back in season 2 had no choice to begin with. No backstory is needed to see where Ainz completely ignored his last drop of humanity. And it was not with Arche.

[grecefar]

I'm starting to think that all this conquer the world plan is becuase ainz is embarrassed to tell them to stop after demiurge planned everything and is still going, now they are to far in the plan to stop for him.

it's always hilarious when he doesn't know anything when demiurge talks.

[Itlandm]

By now it is hard to not believe that Demiurge is pulling all the strings, knowing or at least strongly suspecting that the Supreme Leader is embarrassed to admit that he is not omniscient. Why would Demiurge rock the boat when he can manipulate Ainz to do his will? He is basically the power behind the throne, he pulls the strings and Ainz moves. Nobody else needs to know. In fact, it is best if nobody else knows.

[Yan3242]

Almost every plot you see is the work of either demiurge or albedo, the only exception is momon plot which is pure ainz idea.

Luckily demiurge, albedoa, sharlean etc are extremely loyal to ainz. So yeah ainz is really lucky dude