Steins;Gate 0 - Episode 12 Discussion / Poll

[Dengar]

Originally Posted by GDB

That's just your opinion, though. For many people, the concept of an existence without an origin breaks immersion to the point that it can ruin the story.

I don't understand how all these logistical problems and paradoxes and unanswered questions would improve immersion though. It's fine to disagree. But I can't say I understand.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by Dengar

I don't understand how all these logistical problems and paradoxes and unanswered questions would improve immersion though. It's fine to disagree. But I can't say I understand.

But... you're the one arguing that paradoxes and unanswered questions improve immersion more than giving additional information that clears up the paradoxes and unanswered questions ("logistical problems", as you seem to call it).

[Dengar]

What are you talking about? Name one unanswered question that applies to a stable time loop with no beginning or end.


Have you ever seen a rubber band with an “original band”? I would imagine it would make some kind of “Y” shape, which causes there to be this kink in a place where normally the loop would be smooth.

Or a stroll around the block starting from your house, except your house mysteriously moves to a different location during the loop. Making it not a loop.

I just can’t imagine ‘original timeline’ in a way that makes any sort of sense, without there also being a ‘final timeline’. (In which case it’s not a loop but a spiral, see “Endless Eight”)

[GDB]

Just because you cannot imagine it doesn't mean it can't make sense. Again, that's just your opinion.

And that's not even going into how you're apparently trying to say a paradox is a paradox even if it's explained in such a way that it's no longer a paradox.

[Dengar]

It's not so much an opinion as it is an inability for me to grasp what you're saying. What sort of explanation makes it no longer a paradox?


Like, can you just explain? Is it difficult to explain? Or are you not explaining because you think it should be self evident? To me it isn't. I don't care if you think I'm stupid. I just don't understand the process. Try spelling it out?