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Gearhead · 2010-09-13, 22:35

Sad to say, but a couple who had basically lost their son twice like that would probably not have held together very long afterward. And considering how messed up Erio is, it could have been associated with his breakdown.

Save the kid, try to take him home, find there's no home for him to go to anymore.

Fate wasn't involved in the actual recovery of him, she was brought in after the fact to help try and get through to him, since they were both Project F products and she also had Electric Affinity.

DKN117 · 2010-09-13, 22:51

Damn. Poor folks.

Also, question, since I'm reading up on aircraft flights, procedures, and crashes (it's for a story): do you think that Midchilda uses passenger aircraft (futuristic, non-Terran equivalent of Douglas DC-_s and Boeing 7_7s, perhaps), for civilians and non-flying mages? Or would the presence of air mages on Midchilda (and the pollution put out by airliner jet engines) make this prohibitively unsafe?

Rising Dragon · 2010-09-13, 22:54

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Damn. Poor folks.

Also, question, since I'm reading up on aircraft flights, procedures, and crashes (it's for a story): do you think that Midchilda uses passenger aircraft (futuristic, non-Terran equivalent of Douglas DC-_s and Boeing 7_7s, perhaps), for civilians and non-flying mages? Or would the presence of air mages on Midchilda (and the pollution put out by airliner jet engines) make this prohibitively unsafe?

From what I understand, mage flight is heavily prohibited (which is why Fate had a car in the first place), so its not likely an issue. Plus with the weird little dimensional aircraft the crew used in ViVid, I daresay regular air travel is around on Mid-Childa.

Gearhead · 2010-09-13, 22:59

The facility that gets saved in the opening of StrikerS is, in fact, an airport. There's no real glimpse of what one of their atmospheric craft looks like, though. We also don't really get a good look at their wet Navy or civilian sea craft.

Their civilian dimension ships seem to draw a bit of inspiration from Battletech, though, using a frame which cargo and passenger modules are picked up and affixed to the undercarriage of.

Subaru getting invited to become a member of Special Coastal Rescue, which seems tasked with sea and air rescue, was a pretty big deal, though. They have their own uniform and everything.

al103 · 2010-09-14, 04:09

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Damn. Poor folks.

I wouldn't call them poor. They should have done exactly what illegal researchers threaten them with - call TSAB. They did love they son enough to make illegal copy... but didn't love that copy enough to fight for him - so to hell with them.

Rising Dragon · 2010-09-14, 10:34

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I wouldn't call them poor. They should have done exactly what illegal researchers threaten them with - call TSAB. They did love they son enough to make illegal copy... but didn't love that copy enough to fight for him - so to hell with them.

For all we know, they could've been the ones who called the TSAB in the first place. I mean, the illegal researchers took them, but by the time Fate met Erio, he was already held by the TSAB, so... yeah. Ultimately, its another case of us not knowing because they haven't bothered to give us the backstory.

Arkeus · 2010-09-14, 11:13

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For all we know, they could've been the ones who called the TSAB in the first place. I mean, the illegal researchers took them, but by the time Fate met Erio, he was already held by the TSAB, so... yeah. Ultimately, its another case of us not knowing because they haven't bothered to give us the backstory.

Fate was the one who rescued them from the illegal researchers.

Nanya01 · 2010-09-14, 11:14

Fate met Erio after he was in a mental health facility, didn't she?

Arkeus · 2010-09-14, 11:23

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Fate met Erio after he was in a mental health facility, didn't she?

I think it was mentioned somewhere Fate met Erio first in a Raid.

Nanya01 · 2010-09-14, 11:49

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I think it was mentioned somewhere Fate met Erio first in a Raid.

Ah, yep, right here.

Koveras Alvane · 2010-09-14, 12:08

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Subaru getting invited to become a member of Special Coastal Rescue, which seems tasked with sea and air rescue, was a pretty big deal, though. They have their own uniform and everything.

In StrikerS epilogue Subaru also rescues two kids from a sinking ship...

Tiresias · 2010-09-16, 20:44

Can other mages steal someone else's linker core like what the Wolkenritter did before?

Nanya01 · 2010-09-16, 20:47

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Can other mages steal someone else's linker core like what the Wolkenritter did before?

Doubtful. Never brought up other than feeding the book.

Evil Rick · 2010-09-17, 02:00

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Can other mages steal someone else's linker core like what the Wolkenritter did before?

Actually the Wolkenritter didn't steal them, they feed the bokk with it's escense.

ZeroIchiNi · 2010-09-17, 02:37

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Can other mages steal someone else's linker core like what the Wolkenritter did before?

One of the Twins in A's did stole/took Fate's linker core.

Keroko · 2010-09-17, 05:28

It's an organ, so it should be medically possible to rip it out providing you know how, and the Liezes prove that. Using that Linker Core however, is a more questionable subject.

Tiresias · 2010-09-21, 09:05

I've read somewhere that the whole origin of Project F traces itself down to underpopulation; Artificial Mages, and later Combat Cyborgs, were seen as a way to boost the military's vastly inferior population. Can someone verify?

Keroko · 2010-09-21, 09:55

The origins of Project F can actually be traced to Al Hazard. They used it to attain immortality (die, pop out the next clone, repeat) and Jail set out to re-create the project so he could become immortal too.

Project F and the cyborg project are two different things, and are mostly unrelated.

Kaijo · 2010-09-21, 09:59

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I've read somewhere that the whole origin of Project F traces itself down to underpopulation; Artificial Mages, and later Combat Cyborgs, were seen as a way to boost the military's vastly inferior population. Can someone verify?

It doesn't quite say that, but the implications are there. Artificial Mages and Cyborgs are both seen as illegal, because they require one to tinker with embyros and babies. Such children have no say in the matter of how they are being modified, and that's apparently the reason why it is illegal.

However, we do see Regius is concerned about the safety of Mid-Childa, and rails that the Naval branch takes all the good mages, leaving them undermanned. This was his motivation for helping the Brain Council with Jail. The doctor would make the artificial mages and cyborgs in secret, and then Regius would lead the charge in capturing the mages and cyborgs. Since they were already created, the Bureau could then assimilate them since the damage was already done. Thus, Regius would get additional forces to protect Mid-Childa.

Hayate basically spells this out when talking to Auris; while it's an educated guess on her part, it makes sense given what we know of Regius. He became an "end justifies the means" type of guy.

Although you specifically mention Project F, there aren't many details specific to that. The ones who kidnapped Erio from his parents implied that it was illegal, and the parents seem to believe that was the case. At one point Jail was either involved in Project F, or ran it, and gave the research material to Precia, or she took it from him. She perfected it, making Fate, but if we believe the movie manga and movie rationales and apply them to the regular Nanoverse, Precia didn't intend to boost the clone's magic; it was a side effect.

And we know Jail later cloned Zest and called him an artificial mage, although his body apparently wasn't as stable. So I suppose we can surmise that Project F could have had the same goal as artificial mages and combat cyborgs; boost the supply of combat units.

Keroko · 2010-09-21, 10:09

Ginga notes though that Artificial Mages are expensive to create and have a high failure rate, which explains why Regius went for cyborgs instead.

2010-09-13, 22:35	Link #2461
Gearhead Metroid of Humor Join Date: Mar 2006	Sad to say, but a couple who had basically lost their son twice like that would probably not have held together very long afterward. And considering how messed up Erio is, it could have been associated with his breakdown. Save the kid, try to take him home, find there's no home for him to go to anymore. Fate wasn't involved in the actual recovery of him, she was brought in after the fact to help try and get through to him, since they were both Project F products and she also had Electric Affinity. __________________ - Kicking it old school.

2010-09-13, 22:59	Link #2464
Gearhead Metroid of Humor Join Date: Mar 2006	The facility that gets saved in the opening of StrikerS is, in fact, an airport. There's no real glimpse of what one of their atmospheric craft looks like, though. We also don't really get a good look at their wet Navy or civilian sea craft. Their civilian dimension ships seem to draw a bit of inspiration from Battletech, though, using a frame which cargo and passenger modules are picked up and affixed to the undercarriage of. Subaru getting invited to become a member of Special Coastal Rescue, which seems tasked with sea and air rescue, was a pretty big deal, though. They have their own uniform and everything. __________________ - Kicking it old school.

2010-09-14, 11:14	Link #2468
Nanya01 Left for TFF Author Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Frozen Hell of the North Age: 41	Fate met Erio after he was in a mental health facility, didn't she? __________________ My fics Due to certain things, I am not here, find me over on TFF.

2010-09-16, 20:44	Link #2472
Tiresias Labda Prakarsa Nirwikara Join Date: May 2010 Location: Pekanbaru (UTC+07:00) Age: 37	Can other mages steal someone else's linker core like what the Wolkenritter did before? __________________

2010-09-21, 09:05	Link #2477
Tiresias Labda Prakarsa Nirwikara Join Date: May 2010 Location: Pekanbaru (UTC+07:00) Age: 37	I've read somewhere that the whole origin of Project F traces itself down to underpopulation; Artificial Mages, and later Combat Cyborgs, were seen as a way to boost the military's vastly inferior population. Can someone verify? __________________ Last edited by Tiresias; 2010-09-21 at 09:59.

2010-09-13, 22:51	Link #2462
DKN117 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Whittier, Southern CA Age: 34	Damn. Poor folks. Also, question, since I'm reading up on aircraft flights, procedures, and crashes (it's for a story): do you think that Midchilda uses passenger aircraft (futuristic, non-Terran equivalent of Douglas DC-_s and Boeing 7_7s, perhaps), for civilians and non-flying mages? Or would the presence of air mages on Midchilda (and the pollution put out by airliner jet engines) make this prohibitively unsafe?

2010-09-17, 05:28	Link #2476
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	It's an organ, so it should be medically possible to rip it out providing you know how, and the Liezes prove that. Using that Linker Core however, is a more questionable subject.

2010-09-21, 09:55	Link #2478
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	The origins of Project F can actually be traced to Al Hazard. They used it to attain immortality (die, pop out the next clone, repeat) and Jail set out to re-create the project so he could become immortal too. Project F and the cyborg project are two different things, and are mostly unrelated.

2010-09-21, 10:09	Link #2480
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	Ginga notes though that Artificial Mages are expensive to create and have a high failure rate, which explains why Regius went for cyborgs instead.