Madan no Ou to Vanadis [Light Novel]

[n0m@n]

I didnt hate Fine that much so its shocking. Guess Valentina's death will be coming in v18 which I don't mind in her case.

Unlike manga spoilers you rarely get fake LN spoilers in 2chan. Tbh I haven't seen any fake spoilers for the LN I read in 2chan thread yet.

[DragonOsman]

If Tina does die, who will replace her as the next Void Vanadis? And whoever it is, as it's likely to be a new character, they won't be time to develop her as a harem member for Tigre in just one book. So I hope Tina is redeemed rather than for her to be killed off. Even if she isn't redeemed, like I've said before, she could just stay as Tigre's helper in the shadows. Someone who acts as his darkness and does the cruel but necessary that he can't do himself. For that, she doesn't have to be redeemed or even be able to get along with the rest of the harem, but she just has to fall in love with Tigre and swear fealty to him as her king.

But yeah, I'm also kind of surprised that Fine killed herself. But yeah, this explains why a new Vanadis had to be chosen. She wasn't abandoned, but she actually died instead.

[Mirable]

Originally Posted by n0m@n

So for the battle

Spoiler for v17:

Figneria overwhelms both Elen and Lim by herself.
But Elen manages a single blow to her in the last moment.
Figneria kills herself by using the flames of Bargren where there's no trace of her left.

What a waste...

[Chingaruna517]

Originally Posted by n0m@n

So for the battle

Spoiler for v17:

Figneria overwhelms both Elen and Lim by herself.
But Elen manages a single blow to her in the last moment.
Figneria kills herself by using the flames of Bargren where there's no trace of her left.

Spoiler for Reaction to above:

So, in spite her early advantage against Elen and Lim in their duel, Fine eventually beaten by Elen and she rather commit suicide than surrender....Well, what a sore loser. Looks like her dream is still nothing more like...well a dream...

[KnightShade]

Fine served her role in the plot, i dont think redemption was ever really on the table.

[DragonOsman]

Yeah. But I guess you'd say pretty much the same thing about Tina? I'd disagree, though (look at my post after @n0m@n's on this page (the one of mine I'm talking about is #10862)).

[Chingaruna517]

Originally Posted by kidstandout

Fine served her role in the plot, i dont think redemption was ever really on the table.

.....more like an idiotic choice 'cause the suicide means her dead dream, meaning anything Fine did accomplished nothing.


Speaking on which, whatever happened to Tigre and Ganelon? More important question is whatever goin on to the Goddess's descend? Surely even Tina can't contain the possessed Titta?

[KnightShade]

Originally Posted by DragonOsman

Yeah. But I guess you'd say pretty much the same thing about Tina? I'd disagree, though (look at my post after @n0m@n's on this page (the one of mine I'm talking about is #10862)).

No i wouldnt. Unlike fine tina has been eluded to be salvagable.

Originally Posted by Chingaruna517

.....more like an idiotic choice 'cause the suicide means her dead dream, meaning anything Fine did accomplished nothing.


Speaking on which, whatever happened to Tigre and Ganelon? More important question is whatever goin on to the Goddess's descend? Surely even Tina can't contain the possessed Titta?

We already saw how stupid she was for her age when she openly provoked elen only to realize she had no reason to do so. Id say she was a waste but if all this was for the sake of lim getting bargren than im game.

[Chingaruna517]

Originally Posted by kidstandout

No i wouldnt. Unlike fine tina has been eluded to be salvagable.

Not sure if Tina is even beyond saving or otherwise, though the only way that actually saving Tina from falling too far is Tigre's display of her Charged Arrow Shot that surpasses even her own power......

Hang on, my question is still unanswered: Whatever happens to Tigre and Ganelon? And how'd Tir Na Fal's descend even happening?

[n0m@n]

So according to few readers.

Spoiler for v17:

Regarding Sophia. It seems like the status of her is more towards her being dead at the moment. Apparently Sophia couldn't use her Viralt possibly due to exhaustion and was defenseless. Valentina attacked someone like that from behind with her Viralt. Another reader said at worst Sophia's body had been cut in half. But her actual status wont be revealed till next volume. Though another reader said Valentina wouldn't be stupid enough to not miss the kill against someone who cant use her Viralt and was defenseless since Valentina attacked her in order to silence her up.

Also for Lim. Apparently she became a Vanadis temporarily in the fight against Ganelon. So not permanent?

Another reader said that this series may turn into a Harem-slaying series lol. Though I hope Sophia is alive.

Well, this series is Senki-genre first than anything else. Harem is just a sweet to allure the readers.

[DragonOsman]

I really hope Sofy doesn't die. It'd be really bad. And really, it won't feel right if Tigre isn't going to have seven Vanadis in his harem. Though I can already kind of see Saw saying, "I told you so". Which I don't like.

[Chingaruna517]

I also hopefully Sofy at least she survives from what appears to be Tina's fatal blow. Because, as far as I know about this, this ain't complete the war maiden series without seven war maidens.

Speaking of which....

Spoiler for Response to Lim's Temporary Position as a Vanadis:

1. Man, Bargren are the worst jerk among the Dragon Weapons! Not only they chooses Fine as a wrong Vanadis who chose to revolt, but also disappears after Lim's battle against you know who?!
2. That's means Legnica is yet without a Vanadis again! Nice job for making unwise decision, Bargren you stupid fire weapons!
3. So I could presume that Tigre's Tornado-Inferno Arrow is the one to beat Ganelon then?

[Justice_Rises]

Originally Posted by n0m@n

So for the battle

Spoiler for v17:

Figneria overwhelms both Elen and Lim by herself.
But Elen manages a single blow to her in the last moment.
Figneria kills herself by using the flames of Bargren where there's no trace of her left.

Well that was... pointless.

And how does this even serve as a prelude to the final story?

[Chingaruna517]

Originally Posted by Justice_Rises

Well that was... pointless.

And how does this even serve as a prelude to the final story?

Easy now... at the very least we don't have to worry about Tina's ally now won't we?

My bigger question is the Tir Na Fal's descend and Ganelon's fate...

[DragonOsman]

That, and Legnica needs a permanent Vanadis.

[KnightShade]

if sofy goes than tina can go with her. fuck that.

[sparhawk1610]

Still waiting for my copy, sigh. Not really happy about Sofy development, but well...

[darkofficer]

wel i don't see any way that tina can be switch sides now.

[DragonOsman]

Yeah. She'll probably die now. The Zaht and Ezendeis War Maidens need replacements. I wonder if it can be done in just one more Volume? The Vanadis of Bargren also needs a replacement if Lim isn't permanent, though.

[KnightShade]

i dont see the point in making this a temporary thing for lim this late in the game.

there is a bigger problem if sofy does go, tina goes by extension and lim isn't the permanent successor; tigre in all likelihood can't take the throne without the support of all 7 vanadis. if it happens via timeskip it will be cheap and re-emphasizing how rushed this ending is, on top of making fine commit sudoku entirely pointless. and let's not even get into how problematic having someone else succeed the zhcted throne would be after all that build up for tigre. Madan no ou has long been one of my all time favorite LN's but this ending has the potential to be a hamlet-style trainwreck.

also one of the spoilers on 2ch seems to indicate that ganelon destroyed himself while summoning tir na fal, so he might not be the final boss?