2008-01-14, 12:49 | Link #81 | |
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However, if I like a game, I'll buy it, if I don't then, I wont bother with it. It's basically the same thing as using something like BlockBuster; try the game out before you are buying it. |
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2008-01-14, 18:41 | Link #83 | |
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Well, all I guess I'm agreeing on here is that the hardware is better on a PSP than a NDS. But hardware doesn't always win the race. The little "battle" between the PSP and NDS is quite similar to that of the PS3 and the Wii. |
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2008-01-14, 21:47 | Link #84 | |
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2008-01-15, 04:32 | Link #85 |
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It really depends on what YOU want out of your handheld. For example if gaming is what you soley want your handheld for. Then see what games out now interest you more.
If you're looking for a decent media player, PSP might be more of what you want. Play vids + music + homebrew, you can do A LOT outside of gaming with your PSP, and if you own a PS3 the interconnectivity with the PS3 makes the PSP a great device to own. But DS offers a more "unique" style of game play with an already huge # of AAA titles that are classics on their own. So really its more of how YOU see yourself using your handheld. As for me, I own both. And very happy equally with both products. |
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Yeah... can't honestly say the PSP has a great game selection, but if you are into system hacking it's a fun thing to have. Internet capabilities are much better on the PSP (I believe the DS didn't have Wi-Fi until just recently). As far as games go though... the DS is probably better, and has a more unique gameplay to it. Like mentioned before... really depends what you are into. I personally prefer the PSP, but I'm not saying it's any better. =p
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And the PS3 and the Wii is catered to different audiences. Wii is a family console whereas the PS3 is for more gamer types. I'm not saying that the Wii doesn't have games that are for real gamers, but the majority of the games says it all. Check the percentage of "E" ratings compared to "T" and "M". And then do the same for the PS3 and Xbox. I have alot more to say and I don't have time to go over my post so there may be mistakes, but I'll add more later.
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2008-01-17, 15:27 | Link #89 | |
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Your wii vs ps3 comments are interesting, but lets keep this thread DS and PSP only. |
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2008-01-18, 12:25 | Link #90 |
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LOl. wow. Simply wow at the PSP fanboys who make tonnes and tonnes of sweeping statments compared to what I've seen DS fanboys who acctually justify their claims.
I have a DS, and played my friend's PSP to death... Heres what I think: 1) PSP definitely has better graphics and hardware than DS, but the problem with PSP its too focused on 3D Graphics, which itself, is not exactly very good at, although better than the DS. Several games look pretty bad, even though in 3D(Lacks of details, see one grey blob running around etc). DS 3D rendering capabilities definitely is harder to abuse(Not many game companies has successfully made their 3D graphics look good), and is weaker, however there are tonnes more 2D games which has gorgeously drawn sprites as well as numerous layering used, making the world feel very vibrant and beautiful. And from what I know, many retarded people think 3D > 2D all the way, which is baseless and shows one person's intelligence thoroughly. 2) PSP has more RPGs than DS, thats correct. I've been searching for RPGs for DS, so far, there are a couple of nice ones, a couple of boring ones, and thats it. Not many RPGs out there compared to PSP library. However, as far as im concerned, I'm addicted to Subarashiki Kono Sekai. Its simply one of the BEST RPGs I've played. Im not surprised since its from the people who made Kingdom Hearts, but its simply one of the best. It has a great storyline, unique characters, VERY AWESOME battle system, interesting presentation and a lot of things that are just simply, great. However for the DS, thats the only RPG I truely enjoy. I got bored of Lunar Knights half way though. As for PSP, they have a couple of decent RPGs, but tonnes and tonnes of ports and remakes which I already own them everywhere else, PSX, PS2, you name it. Not just RPGs, numerous games too. The bulk of the games I would want to play on a PSP originated from the PS2. Simply, being able to play them while Im out is cool, but would I want to spend money just to do that or would I want to play other games? 3) Comparing overall game library, I prefer DS's library. As explained above, there arn't many great PSP exclusive games, nor are there many games that doesn't repeat the same old boring formula with a changed setting, character and storyline but everything else plays the same. Boring. Really. DS does it too, but not as much as PSP. Moreover there are a lot of DS exclusive games(Not surprising) which are unique and fun. To name some, Ouendan is a unique idea. Jump! series is a REALLY great and awesome game, especially if you're both a fighting game fan and manga fan. Trauma Center is a really fun and challenging game. Mario Hoops 3 on 3 is pretty fun, though I didn't really have much human players to play with. Mario Kart is unbeatable, one of the racing games I simply love. Subarashiki Kono Sekai with a really awesome RPG, one of the best I've ever played in my 20 years. And the list goes on. 4) DS has 2 smaller screens, indeed, but laughable? I don't get it. Its not miniscue either, whats so funny about it? Numerous games have well utilised it. You definitely need help if you use Screen Size to determine how fun a game gets, albeit too small is bad, DS's screen isn't really very small you know. 2 3 inches is pretty large. 5) PSP's movie and MP3 playing function definitely beats DS. DS's movie and MP3 quality are crappy, through the usage of homebrews that is(Moonshell is probably the only one because its the best out there). And PSP has emulating capabilities. Which is great. Because I can play thousands of my favourite PSX, SNES, NES, GBA, Genesis etc games on my PSP. However, this comes back to point number 2. Is it worth it to spend money just to play what I can already play at home, out? Or should I buy something which can kill time while Im out(Travelling etc), and is something I wouldn't be able to experience without. And as for the media playing capabilities, I already have my Cowon D2, which is superior to PSP in terms of everything(Well except for screen size). So ^_^, I don't need a PSP for this either, unless Im feeling extremely lazy to carry out one extra device. Which hardly happens. Overall, my stand is a DS, and I was once stucked between thinking of getting a DS or PSP. These were the factor that pushed me towards Nintendo's embrace. |
2008-01-18, 12:32 | Link #91 |
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And I do not understand people's argument regarding Childishness...
What determines Childish? And what determines Mature? Oh fuck! Sex! Blood! Gore! Sex! Gore! Blood! 3D! Mature yo! Sounds pretty immature to me. Like a 8 year old boy bragging to the world he has seem more gore than his classmate making him the coolest kid in town. DS does have its limited share of these, but seriously, is there a point to it? Personally from the way I see it, it doesn't really affect games much other than a "MATURE" tag slapped onto it for no particular reasons other than some really unrequited segments which doesn't really make any difference to the game, other than making kids feel like adults. And there is a reason why the DS is a top selling product in most countries, especially trend setting Japan. |
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And "lack of detail" isn't the fault of PSP, it would be the fault of the game developer. There are plenty of great looking 3D PSP games out there. And there are several 2D games as well. Just because the PSP CAN put out higher polygons and finer textures than the DS doesn't mean it's only limited to 3D. Take a look at Loco Roco. Amazing graphics(and gameplay, might I add) for a side scrolling semi-platformer game. Quote:
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It's the game that was featured as a secret ending of Kingdom Hearts 2. The DS is getting a game as well, but since the PSP is more related to the PS2, it's quite obvious that Birth by Sleep is going to give the gamers the classic Kingdom Hearts gameplay that they know of. As for the ports and remakes, it's very true. I already stated this, but it's because the PSP is easy to port over games from the PS2 and PSone. It's pretty obvious because you can actually play PSone games on your PSP through emulator. But in most cases they add extra content to the games and in some cases, completely revamp alot of the game. For example, there's going to be a Star Ocean and Star Ocean 2 remake for the PSP. The new Star Ocean is going to be given more characters, a new battle system(It's actually going to be the SO2 battle system) and more. And the SO2 remake is said to be completely revamped as well. So although they ARE remakes, they've done quite a bit to draw in the same old gamers from the past as well as draw in new gamers that have yet to play the games. And it's quite obvious, but there are ALOT of original RPGs as well. Games like Monster Kingdom: Jewel Summoner, Blade Dancer, Kingdom of Paradise, and the ones I've already listed in past posts such as Crisis Core, KH, and Wild ARMs XF. Quote:
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But then you're making another assumption that there aren't enough games that aren't ports or remakes for the PSP. There are and are going to be alot of original games for the PSP very soon. A few are already listed in this thread. Quote:
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I'm sure alot of people would agree that games make the system and the PSP would be more for those that want games rated "T" and "M" and the DS has taken the family system audience, therefore alot of the games are rated "E" for everyone. I never stated that the system was childish, but it's obvious that the PSP hasn't taken the appeal of the young gamers. Nintendo on the other hand has always been a family console making company and the results are clear that it is. Quote:
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Also, I personally do not understand how people can play FPS with analog sticks/direction pads in consoles... Though I do not really enjoy metroid's FPS controls, I certainly do find it better than analog sticks and Dpads. Well, afterall, Keyboard and Mouse is the way to go, and I hardly, play FPS off my computer... The only one I've tried was FFVII Dirge of Cerberus, which left me going (-_-) retarded controls after playing for 10 hours or so. Quote:
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Care to list the games? Because I own only about 20 PSP games and only a small amount of these have actually caught my eye utilizing what the PSP has to offer.
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2008-01-19, 09:17 | Link #97 | |
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And you can't blame poor software sales on the PSP being a media device. You can blame poorly made and/or half-assed games for that. It's devs fault for not creating a proper game and just using the same old stuff they used on the PS2 and PSone to create a new game. And I would say piracy has alot to do with though, since alot of programs for 1.5 or custom firmwares allow for games to be run off of a memory card, nobody is going to want to buy games anymore. Especially since this is alot easier to do than say modding a PS2 or even using something like swap magic. Burning discs isn't even an issue with the PSP. But I think the poor software sales are mostly due to the PSP not having a game that really pushes the PSP up there. Something like what Final Fantasy VII was for the original Playstation is all the PSP needs to get a boost for more consumers, more devs, and ultimately to more... everything. I think this is what Sony has been waiting for, and so far all the PSPs been doing is laying stagnant; not doing bad, but not doing anything magnificent either. Hopefully it'll catch a break soon, since more devs and money menas more quality games for me. =P
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One could also argue that because of the restructuring and slimlining departments at sony, i.e dropping its plasma production and other technology did effect other divisons such as the gaming department as well. I mean today, unlike few years back, sony do make profit from selling TVs, other entertainment devices and from its motion picture groups. So obviously focusing on the entertainment sector is more profitable for sony, than only focusing on gaming. If we look at the other angle the psp is probably one of the best selling portable multimedia devices in recent years, maybe even beating the ipod(?), and the ps3 is the best selling blu-ray player currently on the market, and probably will still be in the future. With skype newly announced for the psp, they are obviously going to targeting Voip phones next. The whole DS vs PSP is kind of weird anyway, on one side you have a great gaming device and on the other a highend gadget machine, that you can use as a phone now. So if one wants to compare both you have to set boundaries, and that would be focusing only on games. Quote:
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First and foremost, I would like to state I like buying games that are ports and/or remakes if the price is reasonable and the extra content is nice icing on the cake. With that said, I have no problem buying such games like Final Fantasy Tactics: War of the Lions and Disgaea: Afternoon of Darkness for my PSP when I already have the PSX and PS2 copy respectively. Whether it's a worthwhile investment or a complete waste is really up to the individual on what they think is a justifiable purchase in the end for any game in general.
And no, I strongly disagree with the notion "since you can pirate games, why bother buying" attitude many people seem to be taking. I pirate things too, as much or as little as the next person who knows how, but I'm a firm believer in buying things I see myself enjoying and worthwhile. I suppose it's a question of morality and just knowing you have a hard-copy around for precaution. I don't know I've went a bit off-topic with that mini-rant so moving on. I do have an NDS, but I haven't bothered with it since Tetris and FF3. I really have no clue as to why. Strange, isn't it? I'd like to get into such games like Fire Emblem since I've heard many good things and I love SRPGs, but mysteriously, I ain't interested in doing so at all. At least, not yet. Any recommendations of NDS games? Anyone can PM me a list or link for suggestions I guess. Lately, I've been in love with my PSP because of its video capabilities, a somewhat decent audio output and some games (namely the two I've previously mentioned in my first paragraph). Encoding videos on the fly for my PSP while I'm surfing the web, watching anime and so forth on my computer is pretty nifty. The transfer rate is quite modest and easily done quickly. Most importantly, the future of what PSP-PS3 interconnectivity can bring! If homebrew should be mentioned, both the NDS and PSP offer nearly the same things like emus and playing games off a disk storage. What I'm really optimistic about for the PSP right now is the interconnectivity between the PSP and PS3 like I've said before ecstatically. I hope sometime in the future, it may be possible to utilize the remote play functions of the PSP-PS3 when playing PSX games not in the disc drive and downloaded onto the HDD from PSN. I'm not exactly sure what I'm looking for, but being about to use the PS3's HDD as an external storage from anywhere you're at, sounds like an amazing prospect. I really have no strong argument against the NDS and likely am Sony bias without me mentioning it, but depending on what you want out of your gaming system, I say the PSP is definitely the worthwhile bang for the buck in terms of multi-media capabilities. NDS, I'm not so sure because I seldom use it nowadays. |
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