Steins;Gate - Episode 14 Discussion / Poll

[larethian]

some of you guys are such geniuses in some of your speculations that I'm at a loss for words. seriously.

[RadiantBeam]

Originally Posted by Kusa-San

Also, if Daru is Suzuha's father, it means that Daru is dead in 2036. Since Suzuha is at least 18years old we can even say that Daru was already dead around 2018-2024.

I was under the impression that Suzuha said she didn't know where her father was, not if he was dead. It's quite possible that Daru is alive in the future, and that perhaps he left Suzuha behind with her mother in an attempt to protect her.

[Onibur]

So, now how far back in time do you have to go for divergence 1 to occur?

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by onibur23

So, now how far back in time do you have to go for divergence 1 to occur?

How far you go back doesn't matter (well it does to an extent), it's the importance of the event you prevent from happening that matters according to Suzuha. She mentioned the Gulf war, the Millennium bug (is that the reason John Titor originally went back to 2000? Did Suzuha or someone else actually prevent the bug from occuring?) and the creation of the time machine as being some of those events. Obviously, they'll try to prevent the creation of the time machine, since they have the most influence on it.

[Xcomp]

Originally Posted by Riga92

As evidenced by Suzuha's existence and the satellite time machine, it seems in the future, physical time travel is possible.

Since Kurisu's death took place in a timeline past the 1% divergence, I believe the story will go this way: Okabe through some means will pass the 1% divergence and save Mayuri. Saving Mayuri will however sacrifice Kurisu's life. Suzuha did appear in episode 1 so maybe Okabe makes contact with Suzuha and uses her time machine to try and save Kurisu from her death in episode 1. This will explain how we hear Okabe's yelling voice in episode 1. It was his attempt to save Kurisu.

Yeah. Lets hope we don't see Kurisu dying multiple times like Mayuri shall we? Then again, Jelly Kurisu... ∑(ﾟДﾟ)

Nom Nom Nom... Just kidding. Sick joke I know *Coughs* Hentai Gentlemen *Coughs*

Originally Posted by onibur23

So, now how far back in time do you have to go for divergence 1 to occur?

Well, the meter briefly showed 1% in episode 1 when Okarin sent that D-Mail to Daru about discovering Kurisu dead before it decreased so, it'll have to be somewhere along that time at least I would imagine.

Suzuha mentioned in this episode that world line divergences occur where significant events happen - once during the Millenium Bug in 2000 and again in 2010 when the time machine is invented.

So, there is something as significant as the Millenium Bug about that D-Mail which caused the current alpha world line divergence... Only significant thing I can think of was Kurisu's death. If Kurisu remained dead there would be no time leap machine, no time leap machine means SERN doesn't have to go after them, no one after them means Mayuri doesn't die...? Moeka did mention SERN was taking them captive to help with their time machine research after all and, they never took action until the time leap machine was completed.

Question is, how does Okabe get back to that point when both the time leap and D-Mail machines can only go back so far in time? Suzuha travels back to stop Okarin sending the accidental D-Mail? But it seems she's more concerned about the IBN5100.

[Kusa-San]

Originally Posted by RadiantBeam

I was under the impression that Suzuha said she didn't know where her father was, not if he was dead. It's quite possible that Daru is alive in the future, and that perhaps he left Suzuha behind with her mother in an attempt to protect her.

Then why she didn't recognize Daru as her father ?

Other than that, thanks to your poste Xcomp, I realized that these number we see sometime in the episode are the number of the divergence meter

And I also realized that in ep 1 at 2:15, it's Suzuha that Okarin saw. With that scene in mind, it's really easy to undertand that Suzuha=John Titor.

[sikvod00]

Was I the only one who was affected by that heart-wrenching, desperate plea from Okarin when the Rounders were going into his apartment to kill Mayuri yet again? His voice and expression just killed me. It was almost too much for me to bear.

[Riga92]

Originally Posted by Kusa-San

Then why she didn't recognize Daru as her father ?

Other than that, thanks to your poste Xcomp, I realized that these number we see sometime in the episode are the number of the divergence meter

And I also realized that in ep 1 at 2:15, it's Suzuha that Okarin saw. With that scene in mind, it's really easy to undertand that Suzuha=John Titor.

If Daru is Suzuha's father, which it looks like it probably is, Daru may have already died before Suzuha was born or shortly after, which can explain why she doesn't recognize her father.

[Guardian Enzo]

Just because Suzuha didn't acknowledge Daru as her father doesn't mean she didn't recognize him as her father. If she really is a time traveler she certainly wouldn't have wanted him to know the truth until she was good and ready. I'm not taking a position on the question of whether this hypothesis is true - merely that the lack of open acknowledgment isn't evidence to the contrary.

[RadiantBeam]

Originally Posted by Kusa-San

Then why she didn't recognize Daru as her father ?

Suzuha herself, if I remember correctly, says he "went away" or something similar when she was still young. If she was a very young child, she wouldn't remember anything about him, whether he's dead or alive.

[Soconfused]

Originally Posted by Guardian Enzo

Just because Suzuha didn't acknowledge Daru as her father doesn't mean she didn't recognize him as her father. If she really is a time traveler she certainly wouldn't have wanted him to know the truth until she was good and ready. I'm not taking a position on the question of whether this hypothesis is true - merely that the lack of open acknowledgment isn't evidence to the contrary.

but then why would she have to go to a meeting to see him? she could literally see him every day without acknowledging him. I think it's pretty obvious she didn't know who he was, probably in both 2036 and present time. Like others have said, he probably left when she was really young and she has no knowledge of his appearance.

Though, that brings up the question of, what exactly did Okarin do when he followed her to the meeting when he sent the text back telling him to? I forget which episode it was, they didn't really say much about that event, and it seems like it would of been pretty significant. Though again I'm kinda hazy on the area, it was a few weeks ago.

[ars89]

it's torture seeing Mayuri keep dying, damn you Moeka. Kurisu's mad scientist pose and laugh were too funny. So Suzuha confirmed as Titor and satellite as the time machine. Now to just cross the 1% barrier and save Mayuri!

[nines]

The date Suzuha was supposed to meet this person is probably something set to be important in her future and thats why she knew he would be their. If she didn't know who her father was she wouldn't know where he would be at on that date. And if it was anything important for her to a reason to know where her father was if it was Daru he would of spoken up about the event and everyone would have known where he was on that day but Daru was also at the lab during that time also. So it can't be Daru.

If anyone it's probably just part of the script setup to make it so in that timeline she wouldn't come over and disappear. thought it made no sense why she would disappear in that time line since she knew who Okabe was and her being John Titor and all she wouldn't have abandoned her mission.

Loophole? lol

[RadiantBeam]

Originally Posted by nines

The date Suzuha was supposed to meet this person is probably something set to be important in her future and thats why she knew he would be their. If she didn't know who her father was she wouldn't know where he would be at on that date. And if it was anything important for her to a reason to know where her father was if it was Daru he would of spoken up about the event and everyone would have known where he was on that day but Daru was also at the lab during that time also. So it can't be Daru.

If anyone it's probably just part of the script setup to make it so in that timeline she wouldn't come over and disappear. thought it made no sense why she would disappear in that time line since she knew who Okabe was and her being John Titor and all she wouldn't have abandoned her mission.

Loophole? lol

Actually, if I remember right, Daru did mention the event; he was going to the same time travel meeting/con/whatever it was that Suzuha was going to attend to try and find her father, until Okarin lured him back to the lab with promises of Feyris in the timeline where she leaves the city.

[jeroz]

Maybe Daru slimed down *gasp* before Suzuha is born, which is why she doesn't recognise the big Daru that's in the lab right now :P

[Kaioshin Sama]

Easily the best episode of the series so far for me. Quite a bit happened in this episode and a lot of the characters grew closer together in having a common goal to save Mayuri. It was all fun and games for Okabe when he was playing the mad scientist role, but now he's gone and messed things up and will have to find the hard way in getting out of this situation. You can really feel the full weight of it all crashing down and Miyano gets major bonus points for a pretty dramatic performance.

Kurisu was also great in this episode and had lots of amusing scenes to go with her contribution. She's really bonded with Okabe as of late and their relationship kind of hits a climax only to be unfilled as Okabe goes back in time to try and find an answer with Kurisu's advice. However we get another character arc climax in Suzuha revealing that she is John Titor and that she has some answers. It still isn't going to be easy though cause now Okabe has to cross over into some alternate multiverse where things can happen differently. I really liked the analogy used in the episode with the rope.

So anyway 3 character arc climaxes in one make this quite an episode.

[Adigard]

EP10. Okarin got really sick with a high fever when the world was panicking over the Y2K thing.

Loving the reference to ep14, when Suzuha mentions the three major events that impact the world. The show really is clever with the minor seemingly meaningless things. Apparently the world line really did skip saving the world from the Y2K issue, and it was Okarin's first episode with his magic eye, Reading Steiner.

Also in that episode we see the satellite / time machine missing after Suzuha leaves, pre-world line change. She was going to the time machine forum to meet her Dad, who was 'calling' himself Barrel Titor. Daru mentions that a famous author was supposed to show up at the meeting. Suzuha apparently attended the meeting, but her father did not. Daru, of course, did not attend, having been called back to the lab by Okarin's text.

Whether they're talking about each other, or a totally separate person, will likely have to wait. Had Daru ever mentioned his tag on those forums? Other than the Daru > Barrel TItor links that folks are tossing around.

[viperdk1]

Spoiler for Off topic:

Originally Posted by viperdk1

It's certainly better that they used a different seiyuu for John Titor on the BBS - it leaves people guessing as to who John Titor truly is, and even threw people off the possibility of the character being female.

The same was done to great effect in Durarara!! (english dub) - with all the chatter between 'Setton', 'Taro Tanaka' and 'Kanra' on the forum being done using the same voice actor. Naturally, it becomes difficult to tell who the username (or the moniker 'John Titor' in S;G) relates to - and that is part of the mystery, in my opinion.

To the guy who sent me a 'rep' message in regards to this, thanks - drop me a line as to who you are cos I have no idea who sent it.

Also, is it even possible to send a 'rep' message that doesn't increase or decrease reputation? I got that Durarara!! message but a grey rep block next to it

Anyway, I'm wondering one thing here.

In the original world line (Ep 1), Okabe found Kurisu's dead body, and sent the first 'D-mail'.

After that D-mail we all know that the world line changes - and subsequently, Kurisu lives. Either she was not fated to die at all during that world line (and her death was an coincidental accident - thus Mayuri would've also died at the same time as she does in Ep 12) - or the sending of that D-mail resulted in the world line changing enough to cross the 1% barrier.

If the second point is true, what was so special about that particular D-mail that allowed the world line to shift so much?

[Essa Maneira]

what was so special about that particular D-mail that allowed the world line to shift so much?

Okarin didn't know much about the D-mail's functions and its potentials to shift the world lines that he inhabited before. one thing in my mind about the D-mail when Okarin uses is...

Why it is getting farther from 1% divergence?

[RadiantBeam]

Originally Posted by viperdk1

In the original world line (Ep 1), Okabe found Kurisu's dead body, and sent the first 'D-mail'.

After that D-mail we all know that the world line changes - and subsequently, Kurisu lives. Either she was not fated to die at all during that world line (and her death was an coincidental accident - thus Mayuri would've also died at the same time as she does in Ep 12) - or the sending of that D-mail resulted in the world line changing enough to cross the 1% barrier.

If the second point is true, what was so special about that particular D-mail that allowed the world line to shift so much?

Personally?

I don't think Kurisu was actually dead in episode 1. John Titor makes it very clear in the early episodes when discussing the timelines that death is death, and it will happen regardless of what changes are made to the timelines that exist. That's probably the reason why Mayuri keeps dying even when Moeka and SERN aren't involved, and it's the reason why if she had truly been dead, Kurisu wouldn't have lasted as long as she has in the other timelines. If she had been dead, she would have died at her time regardless of what timeline she was in.

I won't deny that Kurisu was dying, maybe, since she lost so much blood. But I don't think she was actually dead. And that was why Okabe was able to send the D-mail and change the timeline to a place where Kurisu never had her near death experience.