2009-05-23, 21:11 | Link #124 |
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yeah you're right...
though could it be that felli is also from a noble family? if i were to describe those two, felli is more of a "brat" type and nina the "rebellious" type... i wanted to say "bitch" but seems a bit harsh to describe felli like that...lol... |
2009-06-12, 16:50 | Link #127 | ||||||
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Replying to germanturkey post in episode 22 thread:
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2009-06-16, 10:26 | Link #128 |
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Yeah, I really love how people make up 'facts' for the convenience of their argument, then fail to back up what they claimed. Dinn was criticized because of the drugs back then.
And finally on ep 23, we could see why Nina withheld the secret. It looks like hardly anyone except her own platoon cares much about her safety and it's not really abnormal given the gravity of the city's situation. There's nowhere she can turn to now that the secret is out. Even though the conversation between her and Layfon isn't canon to my knowledge, it did fine in explaining how she hesitated about revealing the matter. Doing all that she can to help the city but the events forces upon her such a choice that she has to decide between the city or veggie state. Ouch, I know that I'd hesitate that much even if not have second thoughts. |
2009-06-18, 17:27 | Link #129 |
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I was going through some other things and just realized that I knew another character that's very much alike, both personality and visual design-wise, so I decided to highlight those other characters who share an uncanny resemblance.
Alice L Marvin - Pumpkin Scissors (manga & anime - pretty decent) Let's see, short blonde hair, blue eyes. Uses a double-bladed sword! Captain of her squad, ranking officer. Comes from wealthy, noble family but doesn't heed to their pleas and delves into military. Squad pretty much useless bunch till lead male comes, even has a Sharnid-like casanova! Lead male insanely strong but holds his power until a time comes and he has to snap off to fully demonstrate his abilities. Everyone's awestruck. She tries to motivate and mobilize the male lead (and others) all the time, over time they get closer. She's reckless, headstrong and always gets into the thick of things, always honest and tries her best for others. Setting is a war-torn country where the majority of the population is merely trying to survive. Jeanne - Jeanne d'Arc (PSP game - awesome so check it out if you have one) Once again, short blonde hair, blue eyes and check the outfit! Uses a sword. Leader of her group. Dedicates her life to saving her country and its people. She expects everyone to put their very best, like she does. Complications occur to her dismay and she regrets doing that later. She again is reckless and headstrong, pushes herself beyond her limits and kicks ass as a result. She always is in the thick of things, gets hurt but is never deterred. Lead male has a distressing past and he gets to be insanely strong over time. Setting is a war-torn country under attack from a foreign power and all sorts of monsters. Someone else in his blog has a good comparison picture which I shall add: And then, we have Nina and I guess I don't need to point out her facts. I just want to add that these three characters are residing in my favorites pantheon and all of them following the same pattern is a good reason. |
2009-06-18, 20:58 | Link #131 |
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I made no claim that they're the very same character. Their common points I told and possibly could make a lengthier, more detailed list of their similar traits. I cannot know why you felt that way (I have a wild guess but shall not mention) but I doubt that one can easily show another character who's that close in background, motives, personality and appearance. In fact, I'd love to know that if someone could.
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2009-06-18, 23:18 | Link #132 | |
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I'd say Alice is a lot friendlier and easier to get along with.
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2009-06-19, 07:11 | Link #135 | |
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Alice pretty much has got the very same ultra-serious attitude when it came down to business, in fact she's generally even more reckless and scolds others when they don't want to face certain death. Other than that, both Nina and she displays genuine friendship without discrimination when it doesn't involve work. Err, Jeanne is VERY forceful and we know what that led to in the game. Mind you, the result was as dire as it can get. Yet I won't criticize being forceful when the situation demands it, that's how I like these characters, dealing so with people who wish to remain a child in a harsh world. They are more Sgt Hartman rather than Miyagi-san. Also, Nina accepts people like that as well. Ep 10 & 23. |
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2009-06-19, 07:35 | Link #136 |
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Nina accepted Layfon because she realize she couldnt do anything about it back then and finally found out she was the weak one all the long while he's the strong one. She realizes her mistake but its too late.
Jeanne however never forced anyone to follow her but rather, it's the others who're willing to follow her voluntarily. So for me Jeanne >>>>>>>>>>>> Nina |
2009-06-19, 07:53 | Link #137 |
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Nina accepted Layfon because she found out that he was deceiving them. See ep 10, Felli tipped them off about it. She just bears all the burdens like Layfon and isn't afraid to criticize herself even when unnecessary, not sure what you mean about being late as nobody got hurt because of her.
Uh, I guess you forgot Jeanne clashing with Liane who wanted to abandon their course. We know what that led to. Nina only made Layfon join their platoon, eventually she dropped that as well. And you're making it sound like it happened at gun-point or by blackmailing. He was forced into being a military artist by the president anyway, so he'd be worked his ass off by her or any other captain. The events are all there but I guess it's a matter of interpretation. |
2009-06-19, 08:09 | Link #138 |
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In other words she realizes her mistake and critizes herself for it. Good riddance. It took her 14 eps to realize what Layfon had said in ep 9, the real way of life. Until the end she gave her team nothing but trouble. Sad but true.
And between Jeanne and Lianne, er, if memory serves, Spoiler:
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2009-06-19, 08:31 | Link #139 |
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It was not really a mistake (somebody else would do it, remember the circumstances?) but she still apologizes as she considers Layfon a true friend by now. It's like how you cannot avoid causing harm to someone but still saying sorry for it since you care about the person. As for the way of life, she just told him how one should choose it, there's not a fixed one. It's her duty as a captain to lead the platoon to the battle, that's worlds away from being called causing trouble. If you insist on saying that, then Jeanne herself caused trouble to a whole country, not just her friends. (Luc Besson's movie went as far as having that as the main theme and it's as bad as interpreting an event's real nature can be)
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2009-06-19, 08:59 | Link #140 |
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Exactly, she chooses her own ways while Layfon chosen his. You say circumstances, well Layfon 'circumstances' also what made him like he is, be it past or present. This is what Nina had failed judge thoroughly. Her stubborness to see or learn what others think. When finally faced with similar 'circumstances' she finally chickened out and realized what he had said, where all she can do is nothing but apologize for her previous errors.
If by doing her duty as a captain means also giving all her squad nothing but trouble with the risk being shot by the Kei-Ra cannon, then I will consider such 'duty' nothing more but as a fatal mistake. About Jeanne, Lianne was in the wrong imo, while Nina and Layfon's case, is like I explained. |
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