2011-04-01, 14:49 | Link #12861 | |
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Of course, that's no excuse for killing innocent people no matter what of the circumstances. Those people most likely killed some one who they should be gratitude for: those poor UN staffs are there to improve their lives. That's really how misguided those people are and how sad this incident is. But on the other hand, do you think the pastor in the US bear no fault? "Hey I burned a Koran, why don't you burn a bible in exchange?" All the signs and precedences indicate there will be a strong reaction. Yet he still acts on. In fact, in some sense it is a calculated move, because he "proved" his point: that Islam is a bad religion; but at what cost?
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2011-04-01, 14:50 | Link #12862 |
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isn't this a stretch to call this a hate crime...?
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2011-04-01, 16:16 | Link #12863 | |
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This is not to say I don't appreciate the existence of such a thing, but it would be more relevant to most people if they bothered to do this for communities instead of a hodgepodge of scales and nonspecific standards based on information derived from national indexes and census data. |
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2011-04-01, 17:46 | Link #12864 | |
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2011-04-01, 18:50 | Link #12865 | |
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They called the Russians "Godless Caucasians" 30 years ago, so their lack of intelligence still hasn't changed much for the past 3 decade. Neither has the pastor's and his minions intelligence levels too.
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2011-04-01, 18:56 | Link #12866 |
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U.S. intelligence and the wisdom of crowds
http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusm...dom-of-crowds/
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2011-04-01, 20:52 | Link #12867 | |
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2011-04-02, 00:01 | Link #12868 | |
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2011-04-02, 03:21 | Link #12869 | |
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2011-04-02, 04:31 | Link #12871 | |
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2011-04-02, 05:26 | Link #12872 |
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Fighting rages in Ivory Coast, 800 dead in one town
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...73014Z20110402
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2011-04-02, 06:31 | Link #12873 |
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People who are known to react badly to anything deemed blasphemy. It is like putting a fist 1cm in front of the nose of a Viking warrior, and once you are hit by a spike club, you say "you savage Viking", or "why don't you choose to take a step back?" What happened to the UN staff is textbook radicalism there, that is no debate. But, how do you real deal with it? In this incidents, we see two ways: (1) you try to engage them, improving people's lives so they don't solely live on religion, gradually opening the society to the outside world, etc. i.e., what the UN aid staff are doing there. Let me call this Turkey route, since that's like the goal here. (2) you say "you radical savage backward society with your evil religion. LoL, You stone people, what century is this?" Afterward, when bombs are dropped on civilians, you shrug your shoulders in apathy because they are "bad" people. In other words, the consciously or unconsciously "crusade" route. What annoys me is that the UN staff paid with their lives for what in my opinion is the right way, and the pastor made an unnecessary provocation which results directly or indirectly in an event that cost people's lives, yet succeed in swaying people into his point of view. Mission accomplished.
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2011-04-02, 07:01 | Link #12874 |
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A small number of people breaking away from a much larger group and doing something like that is very suspicious. If you'll excuse the wanton speculation, it sounds like the Taliban sent a few people there to use the protest as a diversion to do what they're best at.
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2011-04-02, 15:31 | Link #12875 | |
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The pastor is a zealot, the mob members are zealots... but there's simple insanity and then there's criminal insanity. *Any* person that has such a deep insecurity or fragility about their belief system is a danger to others.
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2011-04-02, 16:41 | Link #12876 | |
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2011-04-02, 18:52 | Link #12877 |
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A lot of people said that the pastor should be persecuted for indirectly causing the death of those UN staffs and that he yelled fire in a crowd. The line of logic is just too great for me to understand. I never know that I could be legally responsible for how people in OTHER countries react to something I do legally in the US. Oh, those people also stone adultery and keep girl from getting educate so we better pass those law so no one get kill oversea
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2011-04-02, 19:52 | Link #12878 | |
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What gets me is this is actually implied in the statements of a lot of people who claim to be defending muslims. Personally, I think it's worse than the people who go around burning korans. At least they're open about their prejudice against muslims. The notion that muslims are especially prone to fits of anger, thus the pastor, as a rational person unlike those poor muslims is responsible is idiocy of the highest order. The people who killed the UN workers were extremists who, if not for the burning of the koran, would have found some other excuse to murder foreigners. I'm sure the vast majority of muslims didn't care beyond maybe a "that guy's an asshole, fuck him" reaction.
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2011-04-02, 19:59 | Link #12879 | |
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2011-04-02, 21:07 | Link #12880 | |
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