(L) Tatakau Shisho (The Book of Bantorra)

[Mizuno]

Wow, ep 10 is just.. awesome!

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by Mizuno

Wow, ep 10 is just.. awesome!

Yeah it was a very good episode. Easily the best of the series. Here's hoping episode 11 can carry that on.

[kemal_1915]

I love Mokkania's arc most so I am biased.
I will have a higher standard.

And I am not happy

They changed a lot here and those changes decreased the depth and its ingenuity.
That mock man is one of the smartest guy in this series. His plan should be more detail but they have changed it.

Spoiler for His plan:

His plans another chess (a Mock man) to stop Hamyuts getting Schlamuffen. This move failed because that man defied his order.

They have also missed a lot of Mokkania's eccentric behaviors. Those behaviors should give hints about Mokkania's personality.

Spoiler for His behavior:

He isn't a man who never grow up. In fact, he wants to live in the past.

The action was okay though I expected more.
The major problem was the pacing. It was too fast, really too fast
And I don't want them to finish this arc in 2 eps. I hope they can slow it down and span it into 3 eps.

[Alleluia_Cone]

@kemal_1915

Hey, since you seem to be familiar with the story in general, I wanted to ask you based on the current pace of the series, how much material would get covered by this season (since I doubt there will be a second one)?

Specifically, is anything going to be resolved regarding Hamutz Meseta and her general story? So far all we have to go on is that she wants someone to challenge her, but is her character going to develop anymore than that?

I would at least like some kind of resolution regarding her, since she does seem to be the main character (and to be fair, she is also my favorite character).

More than anything though, I'm wondering if this series has a natural conclusion and whether the anime is building to that conclusion or is it just going to be a series of semi-related story arcs?

Anyhow, thanks in advance; I appreciate you answering people's questions.

[Tale]

Originally Posted by Alleluia_Cone

Specifically, is anything going to be resolved regarding Hamutz Meseta and her general story? So far all we have to go on is that she wants someone to challenge her, but is her character going to develop anymore than that?

I would at least like some kind of resolution regarding her, since she does seem to be the main character (and to be fair, she is also my favorite character).

I wonder if the concept of "main character" would exist in the series at all but I'm another who finds the weakness of this series would be that the regularly-appearing characters feel rather simplistic and I am wondering if there are possibilities they, especially, Hamutz, can be developed into something interesting or at least convincing.

Originally Posted by Alleluia_Cone

More than anything though, I'm wondering if this series has a natural conclusion and whether the anime is building to that conclusion or is it just going to be a series of semi-related story arcs?

About clear-cut conclusions, I wonder...outside of each episode, it seems to be designed to be never-ending stories which are interwoven each other, which, personally find the charm of this series. At least, if someone expects typical anime formats from this series, he/she will be most likely disappointed.

[Minamino_Yuki]

Originally Posted by kemal_1915

They have also missed a lot of Mokkania's eccentric behaviors. Those behaviors should give hints about Mokkania's personality.

Spoiler for His behavior:

He isn't a man who never grow up. In fact, he wants to live in the past.

Kemal-san, could you please give us some information about Mokkania? I liked him very much. Since he's supposed to be as powerful as Meseta I was also expecting they would spend 3 or 4 chapters on his arc
Please spoil us about his personality, I really want to know more.
Thanks in advance.

[kemal_1915]

Originally Posted by Alleluia_Cone

@kemal_1915

Hey, since you seem to be familiar with the story in general, I wanted to ask you based on the current pace of the series, how much material would get covered by this season (since I doubt there will be a second one)?

Specifically, is anything going to be resolved regarding Hamutz Meseta and her general story? So far all we have to go on is that she wants someone to challenge her, but is her character going to develop anymore than that?

I would at least like some kind of resolution regarding her, since she does seem to be the main character (and to be fair, she is also my favorite character).

More than anything though, I'm wondering if this series has a natural conclusion and whether the anime is building to that conclusion or is it just going to be a series of semi-related story arcs?

Anyhow, thanks in advance; I appreciate you answering people's questions.

I thought it would stop at volume 6. However, after this ep, I don't know how far they want to go.
Actually, the first 6 volumes are focused on characters so it looks like a series of short story. But starting from volume 7, it begins to reveal the main plot of the whole story and put less focus on depicting characters.
So I think volume 6 is a good place to stop. Moreover, in the last 9 eps, 3 eps + 1 bridging ep combined into an arc. 6 times 4 is 24 which is the possible length.

I would like to have season 2, too. However, according to its reception, I don't think it is possible.

Hamyuts is the mystery. We will know a little bit of her past in the following volumes. But the real deal is in volume 10 which will be published in Jan 2010. So, we don't know her whole story until now.

The general story is clear now and it is far beyond your imagination. I can say Yamagata-san created a new world in every volume after volume 6. Every time you think you understand their world, the next volume totally overthrow that understanding. And it is awesome! I can't wait to see the conclusion in volume 10. Its name is "Armed Librarian and the power of the world".

Originally Posted by Tale

I wonder if the concept of "main character" would exist in the series at all but I'm another who finds the weakness of this series would be that the regularly-appearing characters feel rather simplistic and I am wondering if there are possibilities they, especially, Hamutz, can be developed into something interesting or at least convincing.


About clear-cut conclusions, I wonder...outside of each episode, it seems to be designed to be never-ending stories which are interwoven each other, which, personally find the charm of this series. At least, if someone expects typical anime formats from this series, he/she will be most likely disappointed.

Before those regularly-appearing characters' arc comes (e.g. Mirepoc), they will not be the focus. So they have so little development.
I also think this is Yamagata-san's weak point. He is too focus on telling story. If any character or anything doesn't relate to the main plot, he gives them minimal appearance and development.
Actually, those unrelated stuff can make the story fun. This is what other animes, mangas and light novels excels in, i.e. characters go crazy and do some silly things, isn't it fun? And this one of the reason why this series isn't popular.

[kyouray]

Nice episode indeed, I really enjoyed it. Can't wait to watch the next episode with a promising fight and info about Mokkania's past.

Spoiler for episode 10:

Winkeny Bizee has sure a weird ability (oil metamorphosis) but useful. Plus he seems to have another ability in connection with Mokkania's mother : maybe kind of necromancy or making a body based on a book.
Poor Feekiee and Hamyuts don't care

It reminds me Gurren Lagann eyecatchs (illustration used to begin and end a commercial break)

I've found some nice pictures on a random japanese board (It may interest some people so I uploaded the pictures)


Are these eyecatchs ? It seems Crunchyroll cut them.

[Mgz]

Originally Posted by Mizuno

Wow, ep 10 is just.. awesome!

+1

before she only battle weaksauce and stuff but finally a damn strong opponent, she is gonna have so much fun.

and Feekie is such a useless character, waste of time lol, poof he is gone just like that lulz

[Anomandaris]

Originally Posted by kemal_1915

That mock man is one of the smartest guy in this series ...

Just wondering ... exactly how does one 'advance' from being a Mock Man to being a True Man? 'cos based on this episode, it doesn't seem to be based on ability ...

Are True Men simply arbitrarily appointed by the Governor of Paradise? And if, True Men only exist to fufil their desires ... I'm beginning to suspect that Hamy might be a 'True Women', who lives only for the thrill of battle, which might explain her link to the governor

[kuru moon]

Wow! really entertaining episode.

Mockman plan would failed easily, if Mokkania refused to ate Argax... well, eating something from stranger was not a good thing, even a child know that.

[kemal_1915]

Originally Posted by kyouray

Nice episode indeed, I really enjoyed it. Can't wait to watch the next episode with a promising fight and info about Mokkania's past.

Spoiler for episode 10:

Winkeny Bizee has sure a weird ability (oil metamorphosis) but useful. Plus he seems to have another ability in connection with Mokkania's mother : maybe kind of necromancy or making a body based on a book.

Are these eyecatchs ? It seems Crunchyroll cut them.

Spoiler for Winkeny's ability:

He can turn himself into petrol. About Mokkania's mother, it is from the research of the Chruch.

Originally Posted by Mgz

Feekie is such a useless character, waste of time lol, poof he is gone just like that lulz

He is not weak but his opponent is much stronger than him. His ability is suitable for assassination only.

Originally Posted by Anomandaris

Just wondering ... exactly how does one 'advance' from being a Mock Man to being a True Man? 'cos based on this episode, it doesn't seem to be based on ability ...

Are True Men simply arbitrarily appointed by the Governor of Paradise? And if, True Men only exist to fufil their desires ... I'm beginning to suspect that Hamy might be a 'True Women', who lives only for the thrill of battle, which might explain her link to the governor

Mock Men can't turn himself into True Men. The Governor of Paradise goes around the world and finds people who dedicate on their own desire whole-heartedly. He appoints them as the True Men. For those who join the Chruch without this dedication could become Mock Men only.
Hamyuts thinks like a True Man but she is not. It's because......

Originally Posted by kuru moon

Wow! really entertaining episode.

Mockman plan would failed easily, if Mokkania refused to ate Argax... well, eating something from stranger was not a good thing, even a child know that.

Winkeny's plan is smarter than this.

Spoiler for His plan:

Mokkania knows she is fake and his memory is intact. Nonetheless, he still rebels. So, what is Winkeny's plan?

[Minamino_Yuki]

Thanks a lot, Kemal for your explanings and spoilers!!

[-Sho-]

Ow ep 10 ! Rofl the maid !!! I knew that she was strong maybe the 2nd boss , because she give orders to the others except Hamyut .
That was fast for Feekie . Ants own
And , Hamyut who took the spider sword .

[Tale]

Thank you for your reply, kemal.

Originally Posted by kemal_1915

The general story is clear now and it is far beyond your imagination. I can say Yamagata-san created a new world in every volume after volume 6. Every time you think you understand their world, the next volume totally overthrow that understanding. And it is awesome! I can't wait to see the conclusion in volume 10. Its name is "Armed Librarian and the power of the world".

It seems to be quite a fun to follow the series.

Originally Posted by kemal_1915

Before those regularly-appearing characters' arc comes (e.g. Mirepoc), they will not be the focus. So they have so little development.
I also think this is Yamagata-san's weak point. He is too focus on telling story. If any character or anything doesn't relate to the main plot, he gives them minimal appearance and development.

That's not only that. For example, in this story arch, although it's only started, the character of Winkeny seems to be more "realistic" than that of Mokkania... I know describing "realistic" something in an imaginary world is rather odd but I found some characters are exaggeratedly unrealistic...(well, I know it's usual in anime/manga but...) For example, Noloty and Volken are extremely pure while Hamuts is rather psycho. I agree with you that madness is an important factor in drama but I'd like it to be more convincing. A good writer can make us the readers think that they might do the same thing if they were in the shoes of his/her imaginary characters...

That said, after reading your replies to other people here, I began to think that I'd better wait till the story advances a little... I find it one of the charms of this series...like an mystery novel, it makes the audiences want to advance in a maze and look into the next corner, where a surprise waits...

[kemal_1915]

Originally Posted by -Sho-

Ow ep 10 ! Rofl the maid !!! I knew that she was strong maybe the 2nd boss , because she give orders to the others except Hamyut .
That was fast for Feekie . Ants own
And , Hamyut who took the spider sword .

Actually, other Armed Librarians trust her more than Hamyuts. The reason is very obivous - Hamyuts' personality

She couldn't fight Mokkania without Schlamuffen.

Originally Posted by Tale

That's not only that. For example, in this story arch, although it's only started, the character of Winkeny seems to be more "realistic" than that of Mokkania... I know describing "realistic" something in an imaginary world is rather odd but I found some characters are exaggeratedly unrealistic...(well, I know it's usual in anime/manga but...) For example, Noloty and Volken are extremely pure while Hamuts is rather psycho. I agree with you that madness is an important factor in drama but I'd like it to be more convincing. A good writer can make us the readers think that they might do the same thing if they were in the shoes of his/her imaginary characters...

That said, after reading your replies to other people here, I began to think that I'd better wait till the story advances a little... I find it one of the charms of this series...like an mystery novel, it makes the audiences want to advance in a maze and look into the next corner, where a surprise waits...

I have to admit that the adaptation and execution of the anime is bad. The control of pace, the monologue of character and the action sequences didn't persent well. So, it make you feel unrealistic.
In fact, the character depiction in the first two arcs is the weakest. Mokkania, Volken and Noloty's back story will make them more realistic. They are the purest people in that world but that is a harsh and ruthless world. You will learn to cherish their pureness later after you learn the truth of their world.

[Mgz]

eps 11 is awesome

but how was the fight compare to the novel? i personally think it is a bit lackluster

how did hamut meseta survive from being drown anyway :-/


also why didn;t Hamrut meseta throw rock with her left hand and Schlamuffen with her right hand? more deadly that way.

[Zwei]

The preview looks interesting. We're gonna get some background story about Hamyuts and her relationship with the other Armed Librarian. Is it me, or I get a feeling she was some sort of klutz in the past?

[kuru moon]

Originally Posted by Zwei

The preview looks interesting. We're gonna get some background story about Hamyuts and her relationship with the other Armed Librarian. Is it me, or I get a feeling she was some sort of klutz in the past?

I think so, but it may be anime original.

EP11 pace was too rush. We don't even know what will happen with the imposter, and many things about Mokkania need more clarification.

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by kuru moon

EP11 pace was too rush. We don't even know what will happen with the imposter, and many things about Mokkania need more clarification.

I don't think we needed to know the fate of the imposter Mother, and i found that we were told everything we needed to know about Mokkania.