2010-08-18, 05:21 | Link #4521 |
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Hey guys, can you help me out? I remember one scene in which Ange was lashing out at Beato about her being the murderer of her family and the like, and then Beato told her something along the lines "what if your parents were the culprits?". I'm 100% sure something like that happened, but not matter how much I search for it, I cannot find it, since EP4 is rather long.
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2010-08-19, 14:30 | Link #4522 | |
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Spoiler for Bernkastel theory:
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2010-08-24, 21:23 | Link #4523 | |
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"Fuhhahhahhaaaaaaahhh!! How could a man who promised to bring Ange her parents home speak of a theory where those parents are the culprit? Just fine, even so, it's just fiine, alriiiiiiiight? You can be a big, happy family getting their hands dirty with mass murder, and return to Ange stained with blood that will never come oooooooooff! Isn't that perfectly fitting for the survivors of the witch's islaaaaaaaaaand?"
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2010-08-25, 11:19 | Link #4525 | |
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2011-07-04, 22:27 | Link #4527 |
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So I watched the anime, and I have a question about the "kinzo is dead from the start" Blue truth. (or more specifically, the red truth used to counter it.
Didn't Beatrice use the red truth to say that there are only 18 people on the island? (in the second game I think.) Then does it mean that she lied? Or is it a translation error? Could it have been instead, "There are only 18 or less people on the island." |
2011-07-04, 22:45 | Link #4528 | |
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In Banquet (the third game), Beatrice announced There are no more than 18 people on this island.. I believe the wording has been consistent throughout both the games and the anime. |
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2011-07-04, 22:55 | Link #4529 | |
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It did have some typos. I see... So according to ep4, Battler is indeed Rudolf's son, just not the son of Asumu huh.... No wonder Kyrie was seething with hatred. |
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2011-07-05, 00:29 | Link #4530 |
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If you haven't read the text versions of those episodes (which you should since there are a number of important plot bits missing from the anime), I'd recommend at least taking a look at the red truth list on Wikia. Otherwise you might be blindsided quite badly later.
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2011-08-02, 12:59 | Link #4532 | |
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2012-01-16, 15:22 | Link #4533 | |
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So, I guess for most people the common approach to attack Beatrice is through Bernkastel's hint at the end of EP1
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But I wonder how much that fits. Would each Demon and Witch on the gameboard be a different "force". Stop thinking about these as characters, but just as a "force" which could be one of the 18, or a method or tool used by the culprit. Beatrice = Force X EVA = Force Y Stakes = Force S So In EP3, Force Y and Force X directly opposed each other. In EP4, Ange encounters Force Y again. In other words: In EP4, Ange sees what killed her family in EP3. Force X and Force Y use Force S to kill the Ushiromiya family in 1986, but Ange uses Force S to kill Sumadera's goons. In other words: In EP4, Ange uses the same technique that killed her family against the guys with guns. This theory basically states that everything is exactly how it seems, and that there is a one to one correlation between the fantasy elements and the "true forces". Yet at the same time, it's really difficult to come up with "one force" to fit inside each witch or demon. Spoiler for Higurashi EP8:
I must say, EP4 is the most difficult, despite I haven't figured out any of the other chapters. The 1986 game board is really messed up by magic, and I have troubles figuring out what the 1998 board is really supposed to mean. As for the Meta Witch Trio (Beato, Bern, Lambda) Spoiler for Higurashi:
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2012-01-16, 22:00 | Link #4536 |
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Alright hear my blue truth:
Spoiler for Why I think the servants of OWB are suspicious.:
What does this say about anything? Keep this in mind as I explain the first twilight of EP4. I'm assuming that everyone has finished reading the Episode. Spoiler for Long description of EP4 1st Twilight:
Yeah, I know... tl;dr but it's a start. I don't have any real names other than Nanjo and Genji, even though I did come up with a theory regarding EP4's test that said basically if we applied the test to the culprit and their means, everything else like motive and the circumstances would fall into place, I'm really at a lost. I mean yeah, that's a lot of gold, and as George said in Legend, that much gold is roughly the price of a life. And trying to apply "Sacrifice one to gain two" to something like this isn't as easy as I thought. My feelings is that whatever happened to everyone, the culprit and victims, they at some point had to choose one of those three choices. It may not have been a literal test, but you hear about it like when a natural disaster occurs, where a parent is in a situation where not everyone in her family can be saved. I don't like thinking about that, because it's scary and sad, but I'm sure the incident in Rokkenjima 1986 was a tragedy in it's truest sense. If that "test" was given to even the four people shown to take it, then this is something greater than the epitaph. The test is indeed related to the deaths. I'm sure of it. And if this test is related to the deaths, then the relationship of the epitaph and the deaths is weakened. Ugh, sorry for all these ramblings. I don't really have anywhere else to go to discuss this. |
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Most likely, the five captives aren't prisoners at all, and are merely in on the deception, for exactly the same reason Kyrie tells Battler the story about witches and golden threads and demons. Quote:
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2012-01-17, 19:34 | Link #4538 |
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But... but... secret tunnels can explain *everything*. And with that I begin to get sucked into the anti-mystery. I mean even in Higurashi, we couldn't trust what the narrator was showing us. Why should we trust what Battler sees? What does "These secret tunnels do not count as revealed unless Battler, our detective character, observes them." mean? Piece!Battler always had a limited view of the events of 1986, and Meta!Battler observes everything from the MetaWorld, regardless of if it's fantasy or real. And are you now saying that everything Ange sees in 1998 is a lie, because she is not our one detective? That actually would explain the strange cast list at the end... Spoiler for EP4 End of Chapter Cast List:
Oh, and the sixth person was Nanjo. Who is still suspicious alongside the Servants OWB. My feelings is that in the fantasy scene of EP3, 1st twilight, as far as the three of the OWB, they were pretty much prepared and expected to die. I know that's where you learn that you really can't trust everything, even emotions, but you have to trust *something*. My feelings is that they do know the truth of the woman Kinzo is expecting to appear that night, "Beatrice", as well the truth behind Kinzo. There's something about their situations that seem... I don't know... off. Also, Beatrice's red All the victims of the first game are guaranteed. Yes, everyone died at the end, but could it be referring at the end? You could say that the red isn't possible until it is true. For instance Beatrice can't confirm anyone's death until afterwards, right? Did she confirm any of EP1's deaths happened the way they appeared? Someone may have died after it was believed he or she was already dead, and since Beatrice's red declaration wasn't made until after the game was over, everyone in the first game *was* already dead by the time Beato made that declaration. The only time it was confirmed that anyone was alive was during Nanjo's murder in EP3 and right before the end of EP4.Kinzo, Krauss, Natushi, Hideyoshi, George, Rudolf, Kyrie, Rosa, Nanjo, Genji, Shannon, Kanon, and Kumasawa was dead at the beginning of every game. It's some sort of delusion going on in Battler's mind. There is not enough information to prove otherwise. |
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