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View Poll Results: Suzumiya Haruhi (2009) - Episode 07 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 26 | 9.22% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 9 | 3.19% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 11 | 3.90% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 16 | 5.67% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 11 | 3.90% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 14 | 4.96% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 9 | 3.19% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 8 | 2.84% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 11 | 3.90% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 167 | 59.22% | |
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2009-07-23, 17:17 | Link #241 |
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Right now, the only question that remains is, will there be 8 episodes or 13. At first, I think no one seriously considered they'd do all 13 episodes. It was a joke when most people said it, but now who knows.
You know, right now, even more than than the conclusion, I want to see the defenders (you know who you are) crack like the rest of us. Bafflement and awe and claims that a true 2nd season is around the corner can only go so far. It's not like those of us who are pissed about this are so 24/7---you can say it's just entertainment, but anger and frustration is a natural response to being teased and denied. You know the kind of punishment the Greek's envisioned for Sisyphus---rolling a boulder up a hill and having it always roll back down before he reached the top. For Tantalus, it was starving and dying of thirst while being half submerged in water with a plate of fruit hanging just out of reach, either of which would disappear if he reached for them. This obviously isn't as extreme, but the idea is basically the same: to torture. |
2009-07-23, 17:34 | Link #243 | |
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But oh, the potential. |
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2009-07-23, 17:35 | Link #244 | |
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The only reason some people haven't "cracked" (and won't) is because they don't have the same degree of emotional investment in seeing the show continue right away. Rather than be angry about it, they're probably just looking at the show with detached, abstract curiosity/fascination. In other words, you only get mad if you take it personally. Most other people would just stop caring. The way I see it, what would be worse would be if they started changing the story in such a way that would preclude them from animating future content properly, because then they can't go back. So far, though, they haven't done that, so nothing has been permanently lost. Just put on hold... endlessly... I sure they'll animate more story when they feel like it, and when they do, I'm sure it'll be fine. Until then, all we can do is wait anyway. |
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2009-07-23, 17:46 | Link #245 | |
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Some people talk about everyone getting worked up again when the E8 loop ends...but that doesn't seem very realistic expectation. The fans already got worked up into a jubilant frenzy by just having new episodes. And now they're down from that high. There not gonna get worked up to even a fraction of what happened previously. What will happen is that a core of enthusiastic people will get really excited about E8 ending and laugh about it...but everyone else will simply go meh and move on. The momentum is gone.
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2009-07-23, 18:03 | Link #248 |
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...At least this episode was pretty.
Honestly, it's like I can't even be bothered with this series anymore. At first I thought the whole idea of multiple episodes for Endless Eight was interesting, if not a little bit annoying. If it had worked out to be an episode with no one doing anything about the loop, an episode where Kyon failed to end the loop, and an episode where he finally stopped being dumb as bricks...well, that would've been nice. Maybe not the most otaku-wrath provoking thing to ever happen, but not everything has to cause ragesplosions. But that didn't happen, did it? It's like how there's stages for grief, but for annoyance at Endless Eight. First there's the "oh, well, uh, hopefully this will be interesting. It's Haruhi, isn't it?" stage. Then there's the "HAHAHA WHAT" stage, which rolls around at about the same time Kyon decides he might as well forget about his homework. Next, once the animation's gotten kind of disappointing and characters suffer from the dreaded whaleteeth disease, you start to just get plain old pissed off. After that you either decide that it's not that bad, because at least now you really get to feel how Yuki would, or you decide that the whole thing's just gotten stupid. At least the ending's gonna feel comparatively kickass, if when the final Endless Eight episode does show up. tl;dr: lol haruhi please don't go further downhill ;__; |
2009-07-23, 18:05 | Link #249 |
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relentlessflame and Roger Rambo - If this was a lesser anime, I wouldn't be this upset. But this isn't a lesser anime - this is a flagship anime; an anime that became an internet culture phenomena; something with incredible long-term potential; something that even transcended anime itself to a certain degree. The name "Haruhi Suzumiya" is one of a very few anime character names (almost certainly the only non-shonen anime character name) to actually become a "household name" of sorts on the internet.
Simply put, if handled right, this particular anime could have done loads of good for anime in general - it could have lifted the entire industry a la what Hulk Hogan did for pro wrestling in the 1980s - the potential that I strongly suspect has been lost forever is simply staggering. And that potential is lost in the midst of a world recession... because KyoAni has run this anime right into the ground... *sigh* Oh well... one way you're right is that there's not much we can do but vent and speculate. And maybe make spoof videos, which I might try my hand at again soon just to try to get some humor out of this. |
2009-07-23, 18:09 | Link #250 | |
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All this isn't free, and when you see that it took three years for a new season (or whatever you wish to call this) for Haruhi, and that some other franchises are still waiting for their own follow-up (say hello to my avatar), I can understand that each episode wasted is painfully felt for fans. It's an episode that will not be spent into a good story. I'm "only" disappointed by how boring the serie has become, because I liked the show but wasn't a fanboy of it. But (edited for clarity) a true fan someone who strongly loved the serie, who see one after one each of the precious 14 new episodes vanish into non-existent story, wasted just to make a troll/concept, has definitely a right to be quite mad at this. I'm pretty sure I would be if they had done this to FMP. Ressources aren't infinite (especially time), and each airing has only very limited time slots, so every week spend on wasting them, is actually permanently lost in a way ^^ Last edited by Akka; 2009-07-23 at 18:24. |
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2009-07-23, 18:15 | Link #252 | ||
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Using the phrase "true fan" tends to make you look like an elitist jackass. I'm not saying that you are at all, just warning you, it's a very loaded term. Quote:
Should mention that it's Kadokawa's fault. Animation companies have little say in what they animate. |
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2009-07-23, 18:20 | Link #253 |
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Can we please avoid the pointless semantic nitpicking ? :-/
I obviously meant, "the people who strongly loved the serie". I know that some of them actually like ark (though, from what I saw, it's often just out of smugness at seeing other raging, which is a pretty pathetic way of enjoying a show - and some who truly enjoy the concept, more power to these ones), but for most people, what is seen is simply that more than half of the season/re-airing/whatever (another point of nitpicking close to trolling, justifying the lack of story because "it's not a new season, it's a re-airing, btw) has been wasted just to troll/make a painfully overstretched attempt a innovation/tease. Waiting three years for the follow-up just to see more than half of it blow in your face... I can totally understand why anyone who loved the show and wanted to see what's happening next is pissed off. |
2009-07-23, 18:22 | Link #254 | |
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...now we stand on E8 #6 with prospects of going onto #7, and I frankly don't think people really care anymore. They'll still watch it, but there won't be any of that genuine enthusiasm for the entire affair. There will be a mini surge after E8 finally ends, but it won't balance out the huge wave we had with Bamboo Leaf. Even if it turns out that all of the episodes we thought were gonna get animated due end up getting animated anyway (by dumping the airing of the S1 episodes), it won't change it. People will just nod off about how interesting the entire ploy was and go back to doing something else. The season will make money sure...but it won't have the cultural stopping power the first one did.
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2009-07-23, 18:22 | Link #255 | |||
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As a reality check, it sold well, but not that well. I don't know about "cultural stopping power". People tend to overstate the show's importance because they want to believe that it's an anime that changed the world... but it's still a little explosion on a remote corner of a distant moon... or something. If a Hollywood movie had the sort of returns the Haruhi anime had, it'd be seen as a colossal failure. Same with a major video game, even. It's all a matter of perspective, cost, and scale. |
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2009-07-23, 18:25 | Link #256 | |
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Which is why I wonder if that wasn't their intention. As of October 15th, we can officially declare the entire franchise as "dead". At that point, I'll probably request the mods place this subforum in the "Retired" section, where it belongs. |
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2009-07-23, 18:26 | Link #257 | ||
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But that won't change the fact that most of the viewers interest by now is almost entirely casual. Quote:
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2009-07-23, 18:30 | Link #259 | |
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Three years with no anime. Two with no new books. We've all been waiting. Day in, day out. Waiting for more Haruhi. And they give us this. And tell us nothing. Nothing at all. Three. Fucking. Years. If we had any sort of information at all, this wouldn't be a problem. But they're keeping us all in the dark, just like they have for the past three goddamn years. That's why we're all so angry about this. God I hate this arc. I have other things I can channel my time into, but I still get angry when I think about what this COULD have been if the franchise owners weren't brainless invertebrates. It's fine. |
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2009-07-23, 18:35 | Link #260 | |
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