2010-10-14, 14:37 | Link #81 | |
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If we're talking in literary terms, a positive interpretation of Haruka is tonal. The narrative insists that the developments within it are positive by focusing on Haruka's behaviors as moe points. This is an interpretation that follows the clear intention of the creators, and I can understand where you're coming from. My rather dark interpretation is textual, which is generally how I analyze stories and the characters in them. If you assess Haruka based on her actions, words and thoughts rather than the light in which the narrative presents them, you wind up with the distressing version. How I see it is clearly detached from the intent of the creators, and is based solely on the whole of the material presented. Ultimately, which way is 'valid' is an ongoing debate, and all I can speak to is the way I look at things.
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2010-10-14, 22:54 | Link #82 | |
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[QUOTE=Ricky Controversy;3297653]The things people like about Haruka are, for me, dramatic warning signs. Allow me to paint a picture here, using my own observations and the things others have said about her.
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I would say she is Down-to-earth because she gives this relaxing aura, you can hang out with her, and she doesn't look down upon others. Quote:
What is She has no sense of proportion when it comes to cute things? Puppies are cute. Miya is cute. I can't argue about Haruka's taste and I don't see how it is hout of proportion. I can't remember an incident that would get her in trouble for liking cuteness. Quote:
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The outcomes matter more. Since Jun doesn't mind and actually goes along with this approach it is okay. Besides how many people are truely honest with themselves. I wonder how many people hid there true motives. Not to many people can speak there heart either. I can't really think of how many teenage boys and girls speak out there hearts. In the end, haruka was able to express her feelings to Jun and that is what matters. She even spent time with him in a hotel swimming. They had a good time is what I'm emphasizing. Quote:
In the other arcs Jun has his strong points and he took the intiative to be with Haruka. I can't say Jun is an emotional fragile young guy when he showed determination and not breaking down. How is Haruka considered unstable? I consider unstable as a negative and crazy state that flip-flops back and forth and I don't see haruka fitting in these catagories. Quote:
I have to agree with you there. I ment before women usually fall for the guy that has the cool cloths, cool hair, with the cool attitude even though there personalities are not that great. Haruka points out and got closer to him as soon as she knows he is nice and witness the event in where he was nice. Quote:
Her line of questioning gets rid of all assumptions. If she didn't pursue those questions Jun wouldn't really think about how he felt. In the end, both characters are happy so everything played in line. If Jun was in misery and in pain everytime Haruka plays a game then we should see it in a pessimistic light but since Jun was having a good time too then we can see it in a positive light. Besides Haruka went along Jun's game during that lunch scene so it isn't all of Haruka games becasuse she participates too. One thing is for sure it looks like they had a good time.
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Keep in mind though, I'm a writer, and I will always think of stories the way a writer does. A general rule in writing is that whatever dramatic ending or moral lesson or happy turn of events you include needs to be earned by convincingly building up to it. The story we're actually shown is about a flighty, manipulative young girl who plays mindgames with a boy who has had a crush on her for a while, and ultimately gets him to submit to her completely. But their intention was obviously that everything that happened was supposed to be good, so Haruka's behavior is never called into question. The happy ending is consistent with the creators' desires, but nowhere in Haruka's arc did I see a healthy relationship forming. Quote:
Nor do I see Junichi as showing determination throughout the arc. I see it as desperation. A boy who went emo for two years after one rejection has been pinning his romantic hopes on the school idol and now that he has her attention, even if she's leading him around by the nose, he can't let go. Quote:
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What causes me to actually analyze the characters, though, is the fact that we have two girls who were developed with some decent texture despite the four-episode limit. Neither Kaoru nor Ai can really be reduced to one dimension without losing a lot of their positive traits, in contrast to Haruka and Sae, who benefit from a single-minded focus on their intended moe points. As a result, I feel it would be inconsistent to let anyone else off the hook if they've proven they CAN actually give some okay characterization. Does that make sense?
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2010-10-15, 09:56 | Link #85 | |
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Really, this is turning into Haruka/Sae vs Kaoru/Ai and I don't want to turn it into a heated battle/debate because Kaoru and Ai are my 2nd and 3rd fave characters. I know its easier for you to relate to Kaoru and Ai especially if you have similar personal experience. I have those kind of experiences too IRL. The friend to lovers route is really the safest and the best way to get a relationship but this is anime for chrissakes. I'm just appreciating a character that made me laugh for a few minutes. Its not like I consider Haruka as my waifu. She's just a fictional character. Like I said before there is no point in over analyzing. If Amagami is only written by a "good" writer then maybe we can debate about their subtle "hidden" motives/personality but its not because the show is only about wish fulfillment. The drama here is pretty light compared to other anime/manga.
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2010-10-22, 12:25 | Link #86 |
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Every romance has its cast of diverse girls. Haruka was the manipulative, flighty character, Koaru was the childhood friend turned lover, Sae was the shy girl who lacked confidence, Ai was the ideal girl who had it all, Rihoko is the airhead, etc..
Junichi was the most pathetic during Haruka's arc because he was at his most vulnerable disposition after going emo. Despite his detraction from others - spending time in his "isolation chamber: aka closet planetarium - he wanted to replace those memories upon meeting and receiving attention from Haruka. The very first thing she noticed about Junichi was his thoughtfulness when he helped Sae get her lunch. Later, when they meet at the library, she tells Hibiki it would be ok for Junichi to carry her books because "he's a nice guy" - a comment she reiterates multiple times in the first episode. Despite stating she wanted someone "more reliable and older", she clearly wanted the opposite - someone young and nice (gullible). People who are deemed overly nice are sometimes easy to manipulate because of their earnest desire to please others. Combine this with the fact that Junichi wants to replace his sad Christmas memories with happier ones, and that makes him a prime target for someone like Haruka. I'm not saying she isn't a nice girl lacking great qualities. After all, she is very playful, easy to please, and seems to enjoy anything you toss at her. Its just that I prefer girls with whom I do not have to relinquish my pride and integrity in order to pass her tests in an effort to control me.
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I don't think Haruka's intention is to control anyone. In my opinion, when she said Junichi was a nice guy, she really meant it. As for what she wanted in her boyfriend, I think what she wanted was someone who was serious about her. That's why even though she refused Junichi the first time he confessed to her, she couldn't do it after he persisted. I think that's rather understandable, considering she's the pretties and most popular girl in school; so, I think there's nothing wrong in assuming many boys fancy her, but are not really serious about her.
In a way, I also think it's rather understandable to play all these sort of "games" considering her personality, since she's always rather honest when it comes down to expressing her emotions. So, if she's to put them into play, and she's hurt, then it'll be a serious blow to her, since emotionally, she'd probably be pretty much defenceless. In fact, in her bad end, Junichi ditched her on Christmas, and when they met again, some years later, she was the boss at some company, and she had become a rather cold person. Rihoko is the childhood friend, actually - notice how Miya addresses Rihoko informally, yet she uses honorifics for Kaoru. Kaoru was the tomboyish friend.
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2010-10-22, 13:01 | Link #89 |
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They both are childhood friends to Junichi. I just described Rihoko as the airhead because that's more or less her archetype.
Back to Haruka: Looking at it from your perspective, I understand what you mean. Her being the school idol probably did play a huge part in her rejecting everyone else, including Junichi because she may have thought they were interested in her solely for her status rather than who she was. So yes, I suppose you are right in saying that she'd use her tests to see if Junichi genuinely was interested in her, and not just infatuated.
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Back to Haruka: Looking at it from your perspective, I understand what you mean. Her being the school idol probably did play a huge part in her rejecting everyone else, including Junichi because she may have thought they were interested in her solely for her status rather than who she was. So yes, I suppose you are right in saying that she'd use her tests to see if Junichi genuinely was interested in her, and not just infatuated.[/QUOTE] Being the school idol is a big part of it. lol That is why we have Hibiki watching over Haruka. I think it was mention in the anime that they known eachother for a couple of years. I consider being middle school friends as being childhood friends though.
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Well, in either case, I wonder since she's known Junichi for longer, if they'll experience the same conflict that he had with Kaoru in terms of friends turning lovers. They certainly seem to have a similar playful banter that he has with Kaoru, although I think with Kaoru it is more 50/50 as to who picks on who.
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Well, after re-watching Haruka's arc for a second time, and viewing it from the angle of being the popular school idol, my opinion of her has changed for the better. She'd most likely be a really fun girlfriend to have. I'd still rate her a little lower than Ai, though, since she isn't an athlete. But considering she used to play with boys a lot as a kid, and wanted to wrestle with Junichi, maybe I could get her to come to the gym with me
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I don't get something about Haruka in particular--why is it that only she got the "married and pregnant" ending in the anime? I'd like to see something similar, or marriage at least, for Kaoru myself--do more characters get that type of ending in the game?
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Or it could just be because Haruka's was the best arc.
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2010-10-23, 09:37 | Link #98 | |
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2010-10-23, 15:10 | Link #100 |
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I think one of the reasons Haruka is so popular is that she loves to role play, and it was quite apparent Junichi does as well. She's the type of girl who will literally do anything as long as you make the activity seem fun. Even something as simple and mundane as eating ramen for lunch was a stimulating experience when the two used their wild imagination. To her, its not necessarily the activity itself that is fun, but rather the person she is with who makes it enjoyable. Personally, I think finding enjoyment in such simple things is certainly important in keeping the romance alive between two partners.
If you had to pick one of the girls who was on the same character level as Junichi, it would be Haruka. I can honestly see most of their daily interactions while married involve some type of role play like was showcased when Hibiki came by to visit.
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