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Listed tropes, tvtropes forum, quoted Mao Zedong, it's like this thread jumped right into the middle of 8sG and Battle net. Behold!
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- Engaging in enclosed spaces, and not going MAXIMUM POWER, is inconclusive. The Huckebein are too resistant (and sufficiently skilled in weapons handling) to be put down by anything less than going postal, one on one. - This also means that re;Deville, the proper exchange against him is for Fate to attack, and /then/ Nanoha blasts him with Full Power once Fate is clear, instead of just looking on. But then again, teamwork had ....trouble in StrikerS also. Too much already said in that old military thread, Tsuzuki hasn't improved his writing there, moving on. - Going for proper ambushes and most importantly not letting H's react would work quite well, yes. Incapacitating grapples would probably work well in the right instance as opposed to binds (see Cypha after Signum cuts her arm off), but that also requires having a backup partner. And we already know that the TSAB has the manpower shortage. See again body guard/bombardment detail for Hayate. -Batteries will be chargin' for da lazor, I'm sure they'll improve on the source. - I prefer Zero Hurricane's idea for weaponized vaccine (hello Mega Man X3! Hello Cyber Elves!), but there's always the Kenshin route of creating vacuums with your lesser ougi and expecting the full out power to not do anything like, I dunno, kill Shishio? ...yeah, that series had as much in common with ancient Japan as Genji 2. Maybe the filler featured a Giant Enemy Crab in disguise? Quote:
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2011-09-11, 09:41 | Link #22 |
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On that note, were there ever any details on what the Knight's Code was for Ancient Belka, or is it like the Saint's Church teachings, in that we'll never find out?
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Aside from A's Ch. 1 and 2(Vita and Shamal respectively), do you know another example? Both Signum and Zafira appeared right in front of their opponents before smashing them. By the way, they're already betrayed their code of honour by that point so i guess Shamal decided that is the best opportunity to take Nanoha's core(no clear justification for Vita, tough, maybe she was just that desperate about saving Hayate, i remember seeing her crying after learning about Hayate's condition).
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2011-09-11, 11:04 | Link #24 | |||
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In his fight with Vita, he was simultaneously working on a group teleport and testing the field to see if he could help Arf break it. That probably didn't leave him with enough attention left over to mix teleports into his tussle with Vita. When Nanoha and Reinforce were fighting, he might have decided against teleporting into a high-speed mid-air battle against two heavy-weights, for fear that his arrival point would suddeny share space with a fast moving body or a bombardment spell. But let's just go back to the part where Yuuno DID manage a fast, short or middle-range teleport as an attack against Arf, despite not having fully recovered his magical power (something that has to wait until months after the Precia incident is over). Quote:
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2011-09-11, 11:10 | Link #25 |
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....and still was slower than Deville's instant teleport, i remember Yuuno casting a magic circle below him and forcing him and Arf after blocking her with a barrier. Sure it was a relatively quick cast but still required some tought on it.
But well, all your other arguments are merely speculation and we only seen Deville insta-teleporting like two times onscreen. If he fights against Fate agains we will probable see more about his teleport abilities because he can't keep up with Fate's speed otherwise.
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And according with what we've seen Deville apparently wouldn't have any problems teleporting back-and-foprt in the middle of a fight.
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2011-09-11, 11:29 | Link #28 |
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Let's also keep in mind that DeVille wasn't actually using the teleport in a sustained fight--he used it to make a sneak attack on two different characters--not once do we see him attempt to use it mid-battle against Fate.
Hell, we barely see the fight as it is, and if he was teleporting, we'd probably see it happen in the few snippets we got when he battled Fate.
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2011-09-11, 11:35 | Link #29 | |
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Like i've said we're gonna need to see a re-match between those two. Deville's entire status as a Lightning Bruiser is solely sustained by his instant teleport power. Without that, he's just a Mighty Glacier.
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2011-09-11, 12:12 | Link #31 |
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The ability to activate said armor and turn his Big Axe into an even bigger axe. Saldy, it's just like you just said, nothing more was showed aside of him going RAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!! Hope future fights show what really Deville's abilities are capable off aside of short-jumping behind people's necks xDU
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However slow the teleport seemed to us, what with Arf having the time to speak a complete sentence (though it was more like a thought, which happens faster), it was a dramatic conceit. The reality is that it happened so fast that she didn't have the time to escape. Last edited by Sunder the Gold; 2011-09-11 at 16:20. |
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Well, it probably is a case of "Talking is a free action" for Arf but still. She didn't have time to react because Yuuno bati her into attacking him and prepared the teleport at the same time he's blocking her. Remember how damn good Yuuno is at multi-tasking. I think it's less a matter of quickness and more the fact that Yuuno have really good timing to prepare and set chains of spells working for certaing strategies.
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Speaking of Deville, although the others are also experts in face-to-face battle, this is just me or all Huckebein prefers tactics like mugger who took the victim's belongings? I was curious. Please give me a detailed explanation.
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Deville seems to have a delay in his teleportations.
Could it be he goes into "subspace" ? The place where you can see but can`t be seen. "lol Star Trek." The idea of a delayed teleportation into a opponent`s blind spot is really pushing it... What does Deville`s NEXT says about it ? About incantations, I don`t remember any Driver using something like that. Does Arnage need ammo for every kind of weapons she can transform her divider into or the ammo transforms as well ? She`s using missiles with guiding system !
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But yes, teleportation as a whole is a very underused aspect in the later Nanoha stories, whether it be in tactical or strategic level, which is an unpleasant suprise considering how they've abused them in TOS and A's The "Search for Touma" par in Touma would probably end faster (though with Signum still KO'ed considering she would be playing vanguard) had Hayate sent someone, whether someone teleport-capable or just by using teleportation pads on the Wolfram, to recover the trio in the meantime. Quote:
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Probably. Makes you wonder where she procure them though. Maybe their ship can manufacture them?
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Tiresias, some of your quotation attributions are very off.
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In a world of magical bullets and beams, why a bow? Why arrows? Archery is a way to force the Belkan System to do something it normally sucks at. A bow is a handheld weapon, and an arrow is a solid blade. Laevantein can't turn into something Raising Heart's shooting mode, and Signum can't cast something like Divine Shooter. But with Bogenform and arrows, Signum can concentrate her strong, sharp cutting power into the arrow. She can also pack in more power than would normally be adviseable for a melee attack, since the arrow will impact a target at a safe distance from her. Vita has better faculty with shooting magic, but even she has to create physical projectiles and directly launch them with Graf Eisen. She's also working to cheat around the limitations of their style. The closest that Zaphira gets to a ranged attack is his Steel Yoke spell. Even Arf was capable of using basic magical bullets, and she doesn't have nearly the same years of experience he does. Shamal doesn't count, because she breaks every single damn rule. She might as well be using Midchild Style like Yuuno because there's basically no difference between what they do, save that she has a Device to help her out. Shache also doesn't use projectiles; she has to rely on traveling air-pressure melee strikes. ...Wait, didn't Shache catch Sein with a short-range teleport through a wall? Subaru's Divine Buster has pitiful range, Erio doesn't have a single projectile attack despite learning from Fate... Quote:
He jumped in, casting the barrier, caught Arf on it, trash-talked the familiar, and then cast the forced teleport so fast that Arf could only think "CRAP!" before they were gone. And if he was able to do a forced teleport that fast, how much quicker could he move himself and an unresisting target? Or just himself? As for Flash Move, he likely taught Nanoha that move himself, just like he taught her flight. Quote:
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Generally it just comes down to loaning your powers to the Real Hero, then sitting back and watching him win the fight basically on his own. Kingdom Hearts II was a lot better about this in the final battle. *smiles at the memory* Yeah. I mean, yeah, at one point Sora is wailing on the Big Bad with Riku's keyblade as well as his own, but they worked together to land the final blow, and Riku got his own licks in. Of course, up to that point, the game just proves the point by having Sora absorb his teammates to use their powers to kick ass by himself. Whereas the teamwork attacks were often confusing and I didn't use them as much. Shame. I would have preferred a rotating control system, where I'd take control of the fighter, mage or magic-fighter based on the situation, leaving the other two characters to the computer's AI. |
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