Fate/ Series FanFiction Discussion

[RadiantBeam]

Originally Posted by Moczo

Pretty much, yes. I'm simply not as big a fan of 'grim' as Nasu. I like to lighten things up.

And I'm the one who fills in for the grim stuff while you try to make everything light.

[Kuroi Hadou]

Originally Posted by RadiantBeam

And I'm the one who fills in for the grim stuff while you try to make everything light.

Speaking of, should we expect an update of Into the Rain this century or next?

[GlancingReverse]

Originally Posted by Kuroi Hadou

Speaking of, should we expect an update of Into the Rain this century or next?

You're so optimistic.

[RadiantBeam]

Oh, you people.

[Moczo]

Originally Posted by RadiantBeam

Oh, you people.

We tease because we like you and we hope for an update.

But that said, take your time and do the story right when you have the time and inspiration. No sense rushing anything.

[RadiantBeam]

And short time! Because my bunnies cooperate just fine when I feel like doing a one-shot, but head for the hills when I try to focus on chapter fics.

Spoiler for Mind of Steel:

Her hands are shaking.

Dimly, Rin can hear muffled voices behind her as she makes her way into the small room; it seems Kirei has come out to keep Shirou company. She is sure they are saying something important, something she should pause and listen to, because deep down she knows she needs to understand this new Shirou, grasp what makes him tick, if she wants to win the War.

If you want to live.

But that isn’t important right now, and she keeps walking.

The room in the back, the place that serves as Kirei’s home within the church, seems laughably small at the moment when compared to the place that houses it. Rin closes the door behind her without a sound, pauses, and locks it behind her.

The sound of the lock clicking into place rings in her head like a gunshot.

“Rin.”

Archer’s voice is soft, right by her ear, but she ignores him. On the bed, she sleeps; Matou Sakura is blissfully unaware of the fate that awaits her. There is some small, small comfort in that; at least right now, she has no idea of what is coming.

How the man she loved betrayed her.

How the sister she idolized will kill her.

“Rin.”

Archer’s hand is on her shoulder now. She ignores the warm, rough weight of it, stopping beside the bed. For a long moment, she gazes down at her sleeping sister. Her vision blurs, her throat burns, and she has to swallow hard, hastily swiping at her eyes so the tears won’t fall, won’t wake Sakura.

“Rin.”

When her hand lowers, her eyes are cold, focused. The Crest in her arm bursts to life, brilliant sparks of light blue against the red of her sweater. “Be quiet, Archer.” Her voice is tight, pained; she sounds on the verge of tears, even as she composes herself.

Archer’s hand falls away. The loss of it allows her to focus.

The knife is in her hand before she can think, but her arm won’t move. She simply stares at the younger girl, as if trying to memorize every piece of her, as if she is trying to burn this moment into her memory so that even in death, she can never escape it.

After a moment, she presses the knife against Sakura’s throat. For an instant, she thinks she feels the younger girl stiffen.

She trembles.

The tears are falling again, and she can’t even feel them. She lowers her head; black hair spills around both of them like a curtain, as if to briefly shield them from the world. She presses a soft, warm kiss to Sakura’s forehead as she sobs.

“I’m sorry, Sakura. I’m so, so sorry.”

For just an instant, she can swear she sees the younger girl smile.

It just makes her cry harder.

She kills her sister in a single motion, and when Sakura dies, Rin’s heart dies with her.

Of all the bad endings you can get in Heaven's Feel, I've always found the Mind of Steel end by far the most fascinating, especially from Rin's perspective. Her actions in that end are true to her magus nature, but completely go against her natural personality. Sadly, since the story is told from Shirou's POV, we only get some brief mentioning of what Rin could become after this point, and I liked the thought of delving into her mind at that moment when she goes to kill Sakura.

[Moczo]

Originally Posted by RadiantBeam

And short time! Because my bunnies cooperate just fine when I feel like doing a one-shot, but head for the hills when I try to focus on chapter fics.

Spoiler for Mind of Steel:

Her hands are shaking.

Dimly, Rin can hear muffled voices behind her as she makes her way into the small room; it seems Kirei has come out to keep Shirou company. She is sure they are saying something important, something she should pause and listen to, because deep down she knows she needs to understand this new Shirou, grasp what makes him tick, if she wants to win the War.

If you want to live.

But that isn’t important right now, and she keeps walking.

The room in the back, the place that serves as Kirei’s home within the church, seems laughably small at the moment when compared to the place that houses it. Rin closes the door behind her without a sound, pauses, and locks it behind her.

The sound of the lock clicking into place rings in her head like a gunshot.

“Rin.”

Archer’s voice is soft, right by her ear, but she ignores him. On the bed, she sleeps; Matou Sakura is blissfully unaware of the fate that awaits her. There is some small, small comfort in that; at least right now, she has no idea of what is coming.

How the man she loved betrayed her.

How the sister she idolized will kill her.

“Rin.”

Archer’s hand is on her shoulder now. She ignores the warm, rough weight of it, stopping beside the bed. For a long moment, she gazes down at her sleeping sister. Her vision blurs, her throat burns, and she has to swallow hard, hastily swiping at her eyes so the tears won’t fall, won’t wake Sakura.

“Rin.”

When her hand lowers, her eyes are cold, focused. The Crest in her arm bursts to life, brilliant sparks of light blue against the red of her sweater. “Be quiet, Archer.” Her voice is tight, pained; she sounds on the verge of tears, even as she composes herself.

Archer’s hand falls away. The loss of it allows her to focus.

The knife is in her hand before she can think, but her arm won’t move. She simply stares at the younger girl, as if trying to memorize every piece of her, as if she is trying to burn this moment into her memory so that even in death, she can never escape it.

After a moment, she presses the knife against Sakura’s throat. For an instant, she thinks she feels the younger girl stiffen.

She trembles.

The tears are falling again, and she can’t even feel them. She lowers her head; black hair spills around both of them like a curtain, as if to briefly shield them from the world. She presses a soft, warm kiss to Sakura’s forehead as she sobs.

“I’m sorry, Sakura. I’m so, so sorry.”

For just an instant, she can swear she sees the younger girl smile.

It just makes her cry harder.

She kills her sister in a single motion, and when Sakura dies, Rin’s heart dies with her.

Of all the bad endings you can get in Heaven's Feel, I've always found the Mind of Steel end by far the most fascinating, especially from Rin's perspective. Her actions in that end are true to her magus nature, but completely go against her natural personality. Sadly, since the story is told from Shirou's POV, we only get some brief mentioning of what Rin could become after this point, and I liked the thought of delving into her mind at that moment when she goes to kill Sakura.

... ... ... I'm trying to think of a comment more eloquent and helpful than 'Gah, my soul, you hurt my soul'. I can't.

Well done, as usual. Gaaaah.

[Flere821]

Originally Posted by RadiantBeam

And short time! Because my bunnies cooperate just fine when I feel like doing a one-shot, but head for the hills when I try to focus on chapter fics.

Spoiler for Mind of Steel:

Her hands are shaking.

Dimly, Rin can hear muffled voices behind her as she makes her way into the small room; it seems Kirei has come out to keep Shirou company. She is sure they are saying something important, something she should pause and listen to, because deep down she knows she needs to understand this new Shirou, grasp what makes him tick, if she wants to win the War.

If you want to live.

But that isn’t important right now, and she keeps walking.

The room in the back, the place that serves as Kirei’s home within the church, seems laughably small at the moment when compared to the place that houses it. Rin closes the door behind her without a sound, pauses, and locks it behind her.

The sound of the lock clicking into place rings in her head like a gunshot.

“Rin.”

Archer’s voice is soft, right by her ear, but she ignores him. On the bed, she sleeps; Matou Sakura is blissfully unaware of the fate that awaits her. There is some small, small comfort in that; at least right now, she has no idea of what is coming.

How the man she loved betrayed her.

How the sister she idolized will kill her.

“Rin.”

Archer’s hand is on her shoulder now. She ignores the warm, rough weight of it, stopping beside the bed. For a long moment, she gazes down at her sleeping sister. Her vision blurs, her throat burns, and she has to swallow hard, hastily swiping at her eyes so the tears won’t fall, won’t wake Sakura.

“Rin.”

When her hand lowers, her eyes are cold, focused. The Crest in her arm bursts to life, brilliant sparks of light blue against the red of her sweater. “Be quiet, Archer.” Her voice is tight, pained; she sounds on the verge of tears, even as she composes herself.

Archer’s hand falls away. The loss of it allows her to focus.

The knife is in her hand before she can think, but her arm won’t move. She simply stares at the younger girl, as if trying to memorize every piece of her, as if she is trying to burn this moment into her memory so that even in death, she can never escape it.

After a moment, she presses the knife against Sakura’s throat. For an instant, she thinks she feels the younger girl stiffen.

She trembles.

The tears are falling again, and she can’t even feel them. She lowers her head; black hair spills around both of them like a curtain, as if to briefly shield them from the world. She presses a soft, warm kiss to Sakura’s forehead as she sobs.

“I’m sorry, Sakura. I’m so, so sorry.”

For just an instant, she can swear she sees the younger girl smile.

It just makes her cry harder.

She kills her sister in a single motion, and when Sakura dies, Rin’s heart dies with her.

Of all the bad endings you can get in Heaven's Feel, I've always found the Mind of Steel end by far the most fascinating, especially from Rin's perspective. Her actions in that end are true to her magus nature, but completely go against her natural personality. Sadly, since the story is told from Shirou's POV, we only get some brief mentioning of what Rin could become after this point, and I liked the thought of delving into her mind at that moment when she goes to kill Sakura.

Hmm... it's been a while since I last played Heaven's Feel route, but didn't Shirou tried to kill Sakura once in her sleep and got killed by Rider and/or the Shadow? Is there a reason that didn't happen here?

[RadiantBeam]

Originally Posted by Flere821

Hmm... it's been a while since I last played Heaven's Feel route, but didn't Shirou tried to kill Sakura once in her sleep and got killed by Rider and/or the Shadow? Is there a reason that didn't happen here?

Honestly, your guess is as good as mine. In the MoS ending, it's stated/implied that Rin killed Sakura without a problem from Rider or the shadow, so I don't know exactly how she managed it when Shirou tries to do the same thing later in the game if you don't get MoS and is killed by Rider for it. I suppose it depends on what the plot demands at that moment.

[Cherry_Lover]

Originally Posted by RadiantBeam

Honestly, your guess is as good as mine. In the MoS ending, it's stated/implied that Rin killed Sakura without a problem from Rider or the shadow, so I don't know exactly how she managed it when Shirou tries to do the same thing later in the game if you don't get MoS and is killed by Rider for it. I suppose it depends on what the plot demands at that moment.

Rider isn't there, it's as simple as that (if she were, Archer would have noticed). Presumably, after she tried to eat the entire school, Shirou and Rin weren't in the mood to trust her, and Rider couldn't afford to risk fighting them whilst Sakura was led there potentially dying.

But, anyway, God that's depressing. Well-written, but depressing....

[Altima of the Gates]

Originally Posted by RadiantBeam

And short time! Because my bunnies cooperate just fine when I feel like doing a one-shot, but head for the hills when I try to focus on chapter fics.

Spoiler for Mind of Steel:

Her hands are shaking.

Dimly, Rin can hear muffled voices behind her as she makes her way into the small room; it seems Kirei has come out to keep Shirou company. She is sure they are saying something important, something she should pause and listen to, because deep down she knows she needs to understand this new Shirou, grasp what makes him tick, if she wants to win the War.

If you want to live.

But that isn’t important right now, and she keeps walking.

The room in the back, the place that serves as Kirei’s home within the church, seems laughably small at the moment when compared to the place that houses it. Rin closes the door behind her without a sound, pauses, and locks it behind her.

The sound of the lock clicking into place rings in her head like a gunshot.

“Rin.”

Archer’s voice is soft, right by her ear, but she ignores him. On the bed, she sleeps; Matou Sakura is blissfully unaware of the fate that awaits her. There is some small, small comfort in that; at least right now, she has no idea of what is coming.

How the man she loved betrayed her.

How the sister she idolized will kill her.

“Rin.”

Archer’s hand is on her shoulder now. She ignores the warm, rough weight of it, stopping beside the bed. For a long moment, she gazes down at her sleeping sister. Her vision blurs, her throat burns, and she has to swallow hard, hastily swiping at her eyes so the tears won’t fall, won’t wake Sakura.

“Rin.”

When her hand lowers, her eyes are cold, focused. The Crest in her arm bursts to life, brilliant sparks of light blue against the red of her sweater. “Be quiet, Archer.” Her voice is tight, pained; she sounds on the verge of tears, even as she composes herself.

Archer’s hand falls away. The loss of it allows her to focus.

The knife is in her hand before she can think, but her arm won’t move. She simply stares at the younger girl, as if trying to memorize every piece of her, as if she is trying to burn this moment into her memory so that even in death, she can never escape it.

After a moment, she presses the knife against Sakura’s throat. For an instant, she thinks she feels the younger girl stiffen.

She trembles.

The tears are falling again, and she can’t even feel them. She lowers her head; black hair spills around both of them like a curtain, as if to briefly shield them from the world. She presses a soft, warm kiss to Sakura’s forehead as she sobs.

“I’m sorry, Sakura. I’m so, so sorry.”

For just an instant, she can swear she sees the younger girl smile.

It just makes her cry harder.

She kills her sister in a single motion, and when Sakura dies, Rin’s heart dies with her.

Of all the bad endings you can get in Heaven's Feel, I've always found the Mind of Steel end by far the most fascinating, especially from Rin's perspective. Her actions in that end are true to her magus nature, but completely go against her natural personality. Sadly, since the story is told from Shirou's POV, we only get some brief mentioning of what Rin could become after this point, and I liked the thought of delving into her mind at that moment when she goes to kill Sakura.

It's interesting from a literary perspective most definitely. But I can see why Nasu didn't do it that way, the route would just be unbearable (for some, maybe some enjoyment from other people) to watch, at least for me. I know I'd struggle not to have to get into the market for a new monitor at that point. The thing I guess most people find so fascinating with the "Superhero" (odd that people always call it Mind of Steel now) ending is that it is cut short. And of course of all the feelings most people have when getting to that ending, some would rather it follow through.

Mercifully though, I thank Nasu for not going that route.

[Haak]

Heh. I'd like to see that kind of route since an actual road to perdition route would be sorta interesting...

[Altima of the Gates]

Originally Posted by Haak

Heh. I'd like to see that kind of route since an actual road to perdition route would be kinda interesting...

*shrug* Different strokes I guess. Curiosity has been one of man's greatest wonders and follies.

I suppose it depends on what the plot demands at that moment.

Pretty much this. She was able to survive getting Gate of Bably'owned three times and decapitated. A knife really shouldn't do much. Neither Zouken nor AM could afford for her to die at the moment, so she shouldn't. If it did happen, what I'd say is that Sakura's soul would disperse (and honestly, in this situation, I'd find that a better recourse than staying in that world) and the body would Zouken's/AM's. And then they'd be screwed.

[RadiantBeam]

Originally Posted by Altima of the Gates

It's interesting from a literary perspective most definitely. But I can see why Nasu didn't do it that way, the route would just be unbearable (for some, maybe some enjoyment from other people) to watch, at least for me. I know I'd struggle not to have to get into the market for a new monitor at that point. The thing I guess most people find so fascinating with the "Superhero" (odd that people always call it Mind of Steel now) ending is that it is cut short. And of course of all the feelings most people have when getting to that ending, some would rather it follow through.

Mercifully though, I thank Nasu for not going that route.

Honestly, I would find a Mind of Steel fic hopelessly boring if it was focused on Shirou. I would find it much more interesting to see that kind of scenario explored from Rin's perspective, especially since of the main cast at this point, she would be by far the worst off.

[Cherry_Lover]

Originally Posted by RadiantBeam

Honestly, I would find a Mind of Steel fic hopelessly boring if it was focused on Shirou.

Well, yeah, because he can't actually do much. His only way of winning is to hide away and snipe enemies when he gets the chance. The idea of him following in his father's footsteps and winning the Grail War single-handed might sound heroic, but his father was no hero. He was a purely pragmatic man who did whatever it took to win, regardless of the cost to others. Shirou taking up his mantle means a lot of sitting around waiting and then a few surprise master assassinations when they're not paying attention (or, alternately (and much preferably), an early meeting with a very angry Rider followed immediately by a painful lesson on the effects of having long, thick metal nails shoved up one's anus...).

I would find it much more interesting to see that kind of scenario explored from Rin's perspective, especially since of the main cast at this point, she would be by far the worst off.

Well, I'd find it interesting in a "Berserker raping her to death after Archer deserts her for trying to order him to kill Ilya would be very cathargic" sense, but otherwise I would have no interest in a fic which followed that bitch's attempts to win the Grail for her own damn benefit after murdering her sister. (In case you can't tell, I don't like MoS Rin much...).

[RadiantBeam]

Originally Posted by Cherry_Lover

Well, yeah, because he can't actually do much. His only way of winning is to hide away and snipe enemies when he gets the chance. The idea of him following in his father's footsteps and winning the Grail War single-handed might sound heroic, but his father was no hero. He was a purely pragmatic man who did whatever it took to win, regardless of the cost to others. Shirou taking up his mantle means a lot of sitting around waiting and then a few surprise master assassinations when they're not paying attention (or, alternately (and much preferably), an early meeting with a very angry Rider followed immediately by a painful lesson on the effects of having long, thick metal nails shoved up one's anus...).



Well, I'd find it interesting in a "Berserker raping her to death after Archer deserts her for trying to order him to kill Ilya would be very cathargic" sense, but otherwise I would have no interest in a fic which followed that bitch's attempts to win the Grail for her own damn benefit after murdering her sister. (In case you can't tell, I don't like MoS Rin much...).

*shoves MoS!Rin story plans out of sight* Never mind those, then.

[Cherry_Lover]

Originally Posted by RadiantBeam

*shoves MoS!Rin story plans out of sight* Never mind those, then.

Well, you can hardly expect me to like the version of Rin who murdered my favourite character in cold blood because of some retarded "true magus" ideal....

I think Altima summed it up pretty well, actually, and honestly I think I hate MoS Rin even more than MoS Shirou (although, the Geas Rin is even worse still...).

[RadiantBeam]

Eh, to be honest, my version wouldn't be so much MoS!Rin as it would be a Rin who went through events similar to MoS!Rin, and was given a chance to go back and try everything again to prevent her future from happening; kind of like Archer, in a way.

But then again, I just find MoS as a whole fascinating. The thought of how all of the characters would break is something that appeals to me.

[Cherry_Lover]

Originally Posted by RadiantBeam

Eh, to be honest, my version wouldn't be so much MoS!Rin as it would be a Rin who went through events similar to MoS!Rin, and was given a chance to go back and try everything again to prevent her future from happening; kind of like Archer, in a way.

Well, that I don't really mind, since I would assume that she would have suffered a hell of a lot as a result of that decision, and would make every effort to make amends (which I would assume would mean saving Sakura)

But then again, I just find MoS as a whole fascinating. The thought of how all of the characters would break is something that appeals to me.

Well, yes, I agree, actually. I particularly like the thought of how Rin would break after being horribly tortured by Ilya

[Moczo]

Originally Posted by RadiantBeam

Eh, to be honest, my version wouldn't be so much MoS!Rin as it would be a Rin who went through events similar to MoS!Rin, and was given a chance to go back and try everything again to prevent her future from happening; kind of like Archer, in a way.

But then again, I just find MoS as a whole fascinating. The thought of how all of the characters would break is something that appeals to me.

... ... ... .... ... you'd derive far too much joy from breaking these poor people.