2007-01-01, 04:58 | Link #1 |
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General Gundam Mecha, Weapons, and Technology
Okay, for a long while now, I'm been confused at the function of the Moveable Frame used by MS from Zeta onward. Every reference I look at tells me that the original frames of MS were just basic ones with new armor and upgrade slapped on, or something to that extent, and the Moveable Frame, which is never explained, is better because it enables MS transformation. I've never been able to find out exactly what makes the Moveable Frame different from older MS body frames. I even have the Perfect Grade Gundam Mk. II, the first MF equipped suit and it's frame is no different from any other before it, at least as far as I can tell.
Now, the only things I've been able to figure out is that since MS around Zeta are almost completely dependent on beam weaponry, and since the power of a beam is much more powerful than a shell, there was less of a need for bulky armor on a suit, making the armor on the outside basically aesthetic. Since the armor has been lightened, the frame itself has a higher range of mobility, and, as far as I can figure, is what enables the suit to contort and alter it's shape, because there's no heavy and bulky armor limiting the range of movement. Sort of like comparing the armored Gundam Alex to it's basic form. Regardless, if anyone else knows anything else about Moveable Frame technology, please set me straight, this has been bugging me for a long while. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The purpose of this thread is to discuss Mecha, Weapons and Technology from all of the Gundam works. Note that Gundam 00 has its own thread here: http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=72688, so this thread should stick mostly with works other than Gundam 00. Note that because of the nature of this thread, there will be spoilers of all sorts of Gundam works. Please keep such spoilers to a minimum, and use well-titled spoiler tags whenever possible. [spoiler=title]Don't forget to use a title to let everyone know what you're spoiling![/spoiler] Be polite to your fellow forum members and try and keep the discussion on topic and above all, enjoy. -4Tran Last edited by 4Tran; 2008-10-12 at 03:38. |
2007-01-01, 12:11 | Link #2 |
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You're correct that the Movable Frame has to do with beam weapons becoming commonplace and its implications against most heavy armor.
Basically think of it this way: in the beginning mobile suits were designed around providing their pilot and the machine itself protection against most conventional weapons at the time (machineguns, bazookas, and other physical weapons) similar to how a spacesuit's most essential function is to provide a solid barrier that won't let air escape. Apogee motors, joints, and all manner of mechanics were packed into the shell of that armor to make the suit functional. Time passes and technology advances, and towards the end of the One Year War even Zeon has a MS with a beam rifle that's standard equipment, the Gelgoog. Now that beam weapons have become standard equipment on most mobile suits, there needs to be a fundamental design change to counter that. The solution is to lose most heavy armor, and emphasise speed in order to dodge more effectively; namely, the movable frame. The movable frame reverses the previous standard for mobile suit construction. Now engineers begin at the basic structure of the mobile suit, it's "skeleton," and after that is complete design the armor that will go on top of the most essential or vulnerable spots (cockpit, knees and elbows, etc.) The armor itself is likely to be divided into several smaller pieces allowing a greater degree of freedom in regards to motion. For an example, I'll use the Master Grade Gundam Mk. II 2.0. At first glance, it's leg seems like any other mobile suit's. However, when it bends at the knee the knee armor separates into two pieces. Keep bending it, and eventually the thigh armor separates in two, a front and back piece, that allows the lower leg to come all the way back up to the point where it's nearly touching the thigh. The front shin armor also moves up and down in time with how much the ankle is moved. So, you can see that the Movable Frame system allows for maximum coverage from minimal armor while providing encanced mobility. |
2007-01-01, 17:16 | Link #3 |
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Imagine the monocoupe/semi-monocoupe frame as a mid-evil knight in full plate armor.
Highly protective, but you're not going to move very easily. Now Imagine the movable frame as a present day S.W.A.T. member. He's only wearing enough armor in the vitals (vest, helmet, knee/shin pads). Not as much protection, but he can move a lot better. |
2007-01-03, 00:55 | Link #7 |
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The other note about the Movable Frame is that it's a hell lot easier to fix or replace parts or armor blown away or damaged in combat. The One Year War MS, as previously mentioned, have a monocoque design, meaning it was one shell covering the unit. Thus it was a pain in the ass to fix things if they were internal problems (say a burnt-out wire or a snapped pivot link). Since the Movable Frame essentially allows you to just pull off the armor and certain parts, it's a lot easier to maintain than a monocoque-type MS.
Plus, when you talk about mass-producing such MS, it's a lot easier to find and attach said replacement parts in the field (i.e. in combat zones). A damaged mobile suit can fit parts from other (similar) MS easily. In an emergency, a repair crew can more quickly and easily fix up an MS with the movable frame "endoskeleton" by removing the part that's damaged, and swapping in a replacement--possibly from another damaged MS.
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So later you have more flexible armor like mail and just a breast plate being more popular, until the advent of cannons and semi-accurate guns. So armor goes out the window so mobility is key. Now in there is emphasis on mobility but with lighter flexible materials armor is making a comeback. In CE Gundam terms it's I-fields. Quote:
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But the Stargazer should fit in somewhere in the DSSD category.
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2008-10-13, 11:22 | Link #18 | |
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So technically it belong to Mars nation. Setona Winter(Agnes older sister) give Agnes Turn A Delta to replace the cripple Delta Astray.The Turn A have Voiture Lumiere propulsion system similar to Destiny Wing of Light and armed with beam rifle & forearm- mounted beam sabers. It have some Victory gundam influence on its design.More info about it on MAHQ.net or Wikipedia. |
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