DotA (Defense of the Ancients)

[Cinocard]

Uh... furion blows? and Melee agility not named Brood or Spec you suck? Uhh so what I'm hearing is... Juggy and Bounty Hunter are pure shit? LOLOL!@ thats probably one of the most funniest things I've heard. Broodmother and Spec can get murdered with no problems. I'll show you the power of Furion. Want to 1v1 and you can use Brood or spec. And I'll show you who wins in the end

At the very very high level of gameplay, in most situations Juggy is considered close to shit, and bounty is shit, sadly.

[KiNA]

Juggy started to see high level play nowadays, hardly close to shit now, isn't it ?

[Strygwyr]

Originally Posted by Cinocard

At the very very high level of gameplay, in most situations Juggy is considered close to shit, and bounty is shit, sadly.

depends on the player. if they play shit>_>.

[KickHopper]

Bounty is shit? That's new to me. o_O

[KiNA]

Originally Posted by KickHopper

Bounty is shit? That's new to me. o_O

Welcome to DotA .. he only godly in pub.

[Duo Maxwell]

Originally Posted by rainnydaiis

Yeah BS is an amazing hero. Probably one of the most annoying as well. Mainly for the fact that when about to die all he has to do is time a last hit on a creep and he gets back what? 25% hp? or kill a hero when hes about to die and he gets like 45% back.. That crap is like godlike stuff..

BS dagon is stupidly awesome. All you need is good at last hitting and your team destroy one or two tower at the first 10 minutes, and you'll have your dagon at that time. A 400 dmg nuke with instant heal? Awesome .

Originally Posted by rainnydaiis

Meh I heard about that bug, but its been around for a long time now. But meh I just heard and I didn't actually see the replays and was like OH MY GOD hes mh'ing. Like I said people can say they MH and stuff but I could really care less.

What bug?

Welcome to DotA .. he only godly in pub.

Not the new one. All I need to do is track and collecting cash, and I'm still able to complete Guinsoo at 30 minutes mark, or around that. The new track really helps our teammate at ganking.

[KiNA]

^ bug = Hero stay selected under fog if left untouch (ie, dont select anything else) in replay (so if I click on a visible enemy hero (to see his items for instance) and he went into the fog, the replay file keep the selection on him - thus making it like I'm viewing an enemy hero under fog)

[MooMooFarm]

Originally Posted by KiNA

Oh well, just have to clear the bad names they collect for the false accusation.

Anyway, we just lost one team in the semi final for F4F. because KS met and pubstumped w4s| =_=. There goes my dream for an all Malaysian final ;_; .. And to show everyone how crazy KS can play without lag .. For w4s| that beated mouz and R3D before that to get beaten so badly in the 2nd game,

And ymt potm owns XD

Yeah, but I still think Yamato and Obsidian Destroyer go hand in hand =/

[tehjoker]

in most situations Juggy is considered close to shit, and bounty is shit, sadly.

Bounty Hunter & juggernaut can own Nukers and considered shit?

Terrorblade is not melee.

is jahrakal melee?

[rainnydaiis]

I don't get how you guys say Juggy and BH are close to shit in matches. Well in like league matches you won't see much of them mainly for the fact that most people in league have set up heros they are going to use to counter the other teams heros and so forth. For league play they'll also ban heros that the other team is good with and so forth.

In matches I play Juggy and BH are still pwnage. Same with a lot of heroes that people think are shit. Like someone said before that sven barely sees any play and doesn't seem to do well. Sven / Juggy / BH is pure ownage in my mind and I'm not talking about pubs. BH to me is about the same function as NA on how I use him, don't use him for a carry since he really shouldn't be but rather a support. I use BH to mess up and track the hero so the carry can do everything.

Meh -___-;; I shouldn't even try to explain, people have their own opinions on heroes and everything. A lot of people will tell me that huskar is gay in league matches as well but its just stuff you gotta learn to deal with.

[ZeroForever]

league and pub games are worlds apart, i've seen and done amazing... with well any hero in pubs but in games where vent, wards, and last hitting is standard alot of heros suffer from the factor that there is almost always another hero does the same things much better.

juggy and bh suffer from the same weakness which is why they are almost never seen in league, no disable/no lane control/melee/can't forest early/no power aoe, NA and most of the league heros cover at least 2 or more weakness straight out.

(sven use to be a common pick in league with lesh or lina for double stun rape)

[rainnydaiis]

Originally Posted by ZeroForever

league and pub games are worlds apart, i've seen and done amazing... with well any hero in pubs but in games where vent, wards, and last hitting is standard alot of heros suffer from the factor that there is almost always another hero does the same things much better.

juggy and bh suffer from the same weakness which is why they are almost never seen in league, no disable/no lane control/melee/can't forest early/no power aoe, NA and most of the league heros cover at least 2 or more weakness straight out.

(sven use to be a common pick in league with lesh or lina for double stun rape)

Actually with Juggy and BH I can forest early. lvl 4 as long as I have basilisk ring I can jungle no problem. Its what I usually do and get a ring right away after that. But then of course its risky and its pretty complicated to do since you gotta micro the character to run away and attack as the neuts turn their back and so forth. But with juggy I just spin go away and go forward and so forth.

I still play sven a lot since hes one of my most favorite support heroes. Just get like 2 clarity pots and run around like a mad man.

[Cinocard]

I think:

To be picked, a hero should have at least three of those traits: Range attack and good status; Excellent Jungle (Bm, Brood); Carry(Spec, Void); Global spell(Silencer, Zeus, Spec); Heavy Nuke power(Lesh, Dp, THD); Burst damage(Lina, Zues); Map control (Brood, Kotl); Mobility (Pitlord, Furion, Am); Heavy Disable (Magnus, Na), Heavy Pusher (Warlock, Kotl), Babysit-Harass (Warlock), Or to specific counter a hero, a tactic (Medusa, Es).

The point of jungling is to earn money and level separately from your teammates, mainly from level 1-5. After that, you come out and farm in lanes, while ganker roams around the map. If you start jungling from level 4, it's not jungle anymore. Also "no problem" and "good" is completely different.

In high level gameplay, you won't get 2 tier 3 or tier 4 items.
For attack, Yunero, Omnislash is just to weak of an ulti before you hit 16. Healing ward is kiddy item in league matches. Bladefury takes 5 seconds to deal 700 damage, and you have to show your ass off, which is pure joke. Tb has range atk and mirror and insane Ms. Spec is melee but has dispersion for defense. Juggy has nothing to survive spell chain while atking, so his crit is meaningless. Not to mention his demolish power is inferior to Tb.
--> Conclusion: Juggy can't harass lane, can't solo push, has no disable, doesn't gank well compare to the top pick, can't effectively jungle from lv1, can't support, can't do a shit in big battle (may be he can omnislash then escape) What is he really good at?

About Bh, his Ww is far too easy to counter. Evade is useless in battle of magic (which always happen). Crit, what for? His shuriken cast range is low. When the enemy can see him, it's like begging to be killed. Jungle and carry is even poorer than Juggy.

Bh and Yu can do nothing at all.

[tehjoker]

basilisk ring

Basilius?

Originally Posted by Cinocard

no disable/no lane control/melee/can't forest early/no power aoe

BH's shuriken has mini stun and a great last hitter thanks to his ww.
Juggy's bladestorm can dispose of creeps and can jungle early w/ his healing wards/crit.

Excellent Jungle (Bm, Brood

I don't see PA here.

Heavy Disable (Magnus, Na)

Shaker is the best hero disabler.

Omnislash is just to weak of an ulti

What? what version are you playing? they shouldn't have made it an ulti skill if it's too weak..
You always play nuke heroes don't you?
Also, heard about omnislash's extra attacks?

Bladefury takes 5 seconds to deal 700 damage, and you have to show your ass off, which is pure joke.

Ya know why it takes 5 secs? Yu is magic immune when spinning!

Juggy has nothing to survive spell chain while atking, so his crit is meaningless.

bladefury?

Juggy can't harass lane,

He's a great last hitter and can harass early.

doesn't gank well compare to the top pick

he's a 1v1 type hero.
and you don't gank alone.
it can't be called gank if you're alone.

can't effectively jungle from lv1

you hardly has items in 5v5 matches.
jungling from lvl1 causes lvl gap.

can't support

Foolish.

Bh and Yu can do nothing at all.

Do tell icefrog that bh & yu be removed.

[Cinocard]

Bh last hit with WW? Cd way too long at low level. He better off ganks when he hits level 3-4 in a dual lane. And 0.01 second stun isn't that BIG of a disable, is it? Good luck interrupt SK ulti.

If you get ward/crit, when will you get bladestorm? And whatever build Juggy may have, Bm, Brood and Furion are just at a different level in jungling. Talking about AoE overtime, Pitlord and THD are obviously superior. Lina can burst 560 AoE damage in 1 sec, with a bonus AoE stun. Krobelus can get 600 damage also in 5 secs, effectively, without having her ass raped. I doubt Yu can get 400 damage even with bladestorm max in league matches.

Again, "okay" and excellent are completely different. High level game needs specialists, not one who is just so-so at everything.

Ya know why it takes 5 secs? Yu is magic immune when spinning!

Throw a storm bolt at his face, sit back and laugh.

Furthermore, anyone here prefer a click-and-deal 700 damage skill than the current bladefury beside me?

He's a great last hitter and can harass early.

Not when he goes against Sf, Na or Lina Sk and stuffs.

bladefury?

You need crit for it?

What? what version are you playing? they shouldn't have made it an ulti skill if it's too weak..
You always play nuke heroes don't you?
Also, heard about omnislash's extra attacks?

Omnislash is no good if you don't have a tier 3 or tier 4 item, you know. A good shockwave can do 900-1200 magic damage in total. You think you can do better than that with 5 jumps without items like Bf or Mkb?

you hardly has items in 5v5 matches.
jungling from lvl1 causes lvl gap.

Yes, jungling causes lvl gap, it gives your team more total exp! Try a good Bm replay and compare his level to a dual lane hero level. You just lsoe exp if you don't jungle at the start.

Foolish.

Don't tell me you don't specify someone in charge of buying wards or tangoes for your team. A need-to-have-item-to-be-effective hero like Yu surely can't do that.

he's a 1v1 type hero.
and you don't gank alone.
it can't be called gank if you're alone.

Yunero and QoP, who do you prefer to gank with?

Shaker is the best hero disabler.

Try to use a dictionary, may be then you will understand what an EXAMPLE is.

Do tell icefrog that bh & yu be removed.

Only 1/5 the heroes of DotA is used in big league tournament. Only 0.01% of the matches in this world are league match. Surely we can't remove all other 80.


Tell me, have you ever entered a Professional DotA tournament?

[rainnydaiis]

How you guys set that up was confuzzling me. And yeah Basilius ring. I finished rewatching Basilisk a few days ago so its been on my mind haha.

I'll be heading to the next tourney in SD real soon with my friends. But seeing as the competition is beyond insane... It'll be pretty hard

[Duo Maxwell]

Each to his own. If he believes BH and Yu are shit, let them be shit.

Btw...I have never heard about PA can jungle. In fact, she can't.

[KiNA]

Until she got HoD, she cant jungle.

[Duo Maxwell]

Originally Posted by KiNA

Until she got HoD, she cant jungle.

Don't people call that "Neutraling"? From what I understand, "jungle" means you start at lv 1.

Btw....do you mean Helm of the Dominator (HotD)? Because I believe HoD stands for Hood.

[KiNA]

We Malaysian have weird ways of naming things