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Old 2004-10-21, 13:46   Link #161
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Zabuza and Haku are arguably the two most popular dead characters in any series ever, so I guess this is how the animators are paying tribute to them and pleasing the fans who want to see them resurrected.

Zabuza's spirit lives on!
Wolfwood. Nuff said.
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Old 2004-10-21, 13:53   Link #162
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make that an eighth page ^^
no seriously how did you guys argue about the way they run for 8 pages ^^
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no seriously
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Old 2004-10-21, 15:44   Link #163
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Doorknob elephant trousers a waffle donkey

no seriously
oh, *seriously* doorknob elephant trousers a waffle donkey?!? yup....it seems this thread may have _finally_ died
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Old 2004-10-21, 15:59   Link #164
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oh, *seriously* doorknob elephant trousers a waffle donkey?!? yup....it seems this thread may have _finally_ died
Yup sweetcheecks banana muffin hottub

*hurls large trout in the general vicinity of discontent*

since everyone else acting like the explaination is in code or something
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Old 2004-10-21, 19:27   Link #165
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Here i'll end this. I am a basketball player/sprinter/long distance runner (I run everyday). And I deceided to try to run like the Naruto anime just for the hell of it. It's not aerodynamic by any means. It puts alot of stress on your traps (upper-back).........

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Old 2004-10-21, 20:42   Link #166
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Here i'll end this. I am a basketball player/sprinter/long distance runner (I run everyday). And I deceided to try to run like the Naruto anime just for the hell of it. It's not aerodynamic by any means. It puts alot of stress on your traps (back).........

その程度か?

Hmph, only human.
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Old 2004-10-21, 21:02   Link #167
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no idea why this post snuck in, round it down to me only not being familiar with way the board operates totally.

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Old 2004-10-21, 21:07   Link #168
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Here i'll end this. I am a basketball player/sprinter/long distance runner (I run everyday). And I deceided to try to run like the Naruto anime just for the hell of it. It's not aerodynamic by any means. It puts alot of stress on your traps (upper-back).........

Honestly if reading is your thing then you are probably more skilled and a smarter person, possibly more laid back in general. So it's for you that I'll write the following response to above, which goes something a little like this; "My traps", as in my own? No that's the thing it doesn't, I'm sure you are worn out after your attempt but I'm not feeling anything of the sort. “My traps”, feel great.

"It puts alot of stress on your traps (upper-back)". That is, your assumption, by saying "your" instead of "my own traps" when addressing us shows you believe we all are going to react the way you did to running a certain way or that we would even do it at your level or in the same exact fashion which you "only now tried it out".

You probably got tired "traps" because you had to focus muscle energy on keeping your shoulders aligned whereas normally that area of your back would not have to focus on remaining steady. Were your arms flailing behind you at first or did you start out with them more "palms facing back and arms straight down against your hips"?

What I'm saying is you say you tried something and then proceeded to say "your traps" to the folks reading myself included. While your entitled to your discussion why not tell us that it made your own traps tired since that's really all that happened. Because I'm sure someone who is not involved in a program like you would have tired traps doing your personal regime for sprint racing as well.


No I don't think they could pull it off quite like you could. Pretty unique aren’t we? So there's no proof that we know that you're not doing it right or not. Plus your bias is towards competing one way already. You appear to think that qualifies you in someway but it's only an opinion stated. That's the thing. Stick to what you think is best for you.

Additionally do you think that a newbie to your sport would be able to get the movements right that you so skillfully have attained? What makes you think you are special when trying a different area of the field? I haven't been running ninja style forever but I do have special training more related to it and am predisposed to realizing how it is properly utilized. Look at the way Peter Smolik skates; I happen to know he took gymnastic training from a very early age. When he comes out of a maneuver if you’ve seen him on tv or in person you see he is predisposed at being more skilled in this area then an average skater or typical runner.

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Old 2004-10-21, 21:31   Link #169
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So you're back, kiai, huh?
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Wth? you are so slick getting away with such a short post, learn to post like this:
I think the slick one is you for managing to come back!

On topic now, well kinda, isn't it time for this thread to die already?
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Old 2004-10-21, 21:34   Link #170
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I think the slick one is you for managing to come back!
Nana man that is only my sense of humor go look for post, one of the ones after that that says you get honorable mentions for having the greatest positive impact here. Anywayit is true, some congratulations, were in order.

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Old 2004-10-21, 21:46   Link #171
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Here i'll end this. I am a basketball player/sprinter/long distance runner (I run everyday). And I deceided to try to run like the Naruto anime just for the hell of it. It's not aerodynamic by any means. It puts alot of stress on your traps (upper-back).........
Did you do this while people were watching?
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Old 2004-10-21, 21:49   Link #172
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My thoughts on the subject as to why "standard" running is better assuming no "unreality"... Running involves swinging the hips which twists the spine and by extension the ribs and shoulders. If one held their arms totally limp, thew would eventually flail violently as momentum builds. Therefore, in order to keep them back, they must be held that way. Hence a tendancy to build up tension in ones trapezious muscle as well as the triceps and teres major.

Needless to say the totally limp flail saps kenetic energy and the held back uses muscular energy with little net gain (questionable aerodynamics) The standard run uses the existing swing pruduced by the hips for the pump and actually returns some energy as previouisly pointed out. Also, the bicep and bracialis muscles are good at the static contraction needed to hold the forearms up.

Now for ultimate aerodynamics, hold your arms out in front of yourself like superman.

Finally, don't discount experimental evidence, and sporting competition is one heck of a set of experimental data. Ski jumpers depend on aerodynamics as much as or more than any other athelete, they hold poles (sword-like isn't it?) and when jumping in countless competitions and in wind tunnels it has been found that hands near face, arms bent and held in front of the body produces the least drag....arms sticking behing makes alot of turbulence...

Sprinters, middle distance runners and marathon runners all either pump their arms or huld them in front in a "standard" manner.

Interestingly, speed skaters pump their arms when accellerating then hold them back when they build up their speed. I suspect it has alot to do with being faster than 20 mph and more importantly with the energy saving of the skates...sprinters do more than 20, but they must accellerate constantly. That and speed skaters use very long strokes after they get speed which mitigates hip swing.

I am a non-competitive speed skater (inline, not ice) who follows the sport enough to know what the pro's are up to. I'm studying to be a scientific/medical illustrator, so I know anatomy pretty well.

just my .02

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Old 2004-10-21, 21:54   Link #173
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Did you do this while people were watching?
Yeah that could really mess with you having people stare you down and all. But so what... without a will to understand both and the nesecity to take on situations where you see the benefit required to advance into complex curved movemonts more freely.. . then that is the thing, you won't have actually the will to preform under a circumstance where you could or would see the nature of this particular beast. I don't think giving it a try only for the heck of it cuts it.

This isn't about getting into a wind tunnel to compare methods this is about compression, compression in the axis of the body is a key element to unrestrained self-determination. Yeah so what I'm talking a little esoteric at this point but that's the point. Coincidently I mentioned Peter smolik and myself as skateboarders, there is something extra, something secret involved in making a board magically stay to your feet while hurtling through air, especially during rotation.


Again this is about compression, compression in the axis of the body is a key element to unrestrained self-determination. Yeah so what I'm talking a little esoteric at this point but that's the point. I only repeated that because it's a secret revealed worth remembering. If you can align your Lei lines properly you can create compression and from there it is possible to "fall" freely, effortlessly, and safely into other curved movements consistently, and continuously. At a certain point when things become sacred or "secret" explaining it will only look like the person threw random words out there, "but" the trick is to find meaning in your own personal experience, and not have somebody do all the work in understanding it for yourself.

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Old 2004-10-21, 21:55   Link #174
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Anywayit is true, some congratulations, were in order.
That was my way of congratulating you. I'll be looking forward to reading your posts (as long as they make sense, that is, if you know what I mean...)

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See my sig.

Can anyone find the very first instance of someone running the "ninja" way in the anime?
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Old 2004-10-22, 13:07   Link #175
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Can anyone find the very first instance of someone running the "ninja" way in the anime?
I believe Zabuza first used it in episode 19 of the anime...I may be wrong, but that's the first time I saw it. Long live Zabuza-san!
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Old 2004-10-22, 20:13   Link #176
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dear god.. kiai... you take incomprehensible babble to a whole new level... I salute you

This thread died a long time ago.. Kiai has just been violating its desecrated corpse the last two pages...
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Old 2004-10-24, 22:19   Link #177
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dear god.. kiai... you take incomprehensible babble to a whole new level... I salute you
I adore you


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I believe Zabuza first used it in episode 19 of the anime...I may be wrong, but that's the first time I saw it. Long live Zabuza-san!
That would be a response to what episode did "the run" appear first question asked by Bricefabber.

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Old 2004-10-24, 23:24   Link #178
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Now for ultimate aerodynamics, hold your arms out in front of yourself like superman.
Was anyone else reminded of Freakazoid?
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Old 2004-10-25, 00:41   Link #179
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probably someone who said something somewhere
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some information is just too serious to discuss in a thread it can never be taken seriously.

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Old 2004-10-25, 01:43   Link #180
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I personally think that it's fine the way they did the running.
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