2013-06-22, 15:06 | Link #1 |
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Why are there only thirteen episodes for anime nowadays?
There may had been a thread like this before but I got ask, why is it that they are doing thirteen episodes for most anime as opposed to 26 episodes? I am not familiar with how they do things in Japan but I do know that most adaptations require a lot more time than what they are giving it.
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2013-06-22, 15:26 | Link #2 |
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Production committees are much more cautious today than they used to be. They prefer to run a series for 11-13 episodes to see how it performs before committing to a second season. There just isn't as much money available as there was in the "boom" years in the last decade.
Also I'd imagine changing tastes play a role. Anime today has a greater proportion of comedies than in years past so there is less need to portray complex stories over 26, 39, or more episodes.
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2013-06-22, 15:32 | Link #3 | |
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2013-06-22, 15:33 | Link #4 |
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They're far cheaper, yes.
Furthermore, since most anime are promotional in nature, adaptations don't really "need" to do anything other than promote the source. 1 cours is all that's required to do this. Less, in fact, as Kadokawa is proving with their 10-episode seasons recently. |
2013-06-22, 16:24 | Link #5 | |
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The more interesting cases are shows like Chihayafuru, which is in its second 25-episode season and generally hews quite closely to the manga. If an anime adaptation stimulates sufficient manga sales, as Chihayafuru did, production committees seem willing to invest in another season.
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2013-06-22, 16:59 | Link #6 | |
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Chihayafuru sort of surprised me with the length it had. I never expected them to make large amount of episodes for these two seasons. Madoka Magica had a great impact on a good amount of people. Although it can't keep itself going for a second season. So another reason why animes could be cut off is that they have no more content to adapt/go with for a second season. Then you have the increased animations of things.
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2013-06-23, 02:49 | Link #7 |
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Those are some good points but with long running anime especially JUMP manga I don't see how thirteen episodes make sense. To Aru, Shana as well as some other had been doing that for some time now even before the law was implemented but other adaptations, the thirteen episode thing just doesn't work for some shows.
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2013-06-23, 04:04 | Link #9 | |
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(Note that both Raildex and Shana are by Dengeki Bunko- other recent 2 cours adaptations like SAO, AW and Durarara were also by them. Different companies can afford different approach...)
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I'm sure a similar thing will happen to Shingeki no Kyojin. The manga was very popular, so the PC knew that they could make 25 episodes without risking too much. Even if the anime fails to sell (unlikely, but still possible), the huge spike in manga sales will probably be enough for more anime in the long run.
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Iso Matsuo spent seven years shopping around the story for his masterpiece, Dennou Coil, and has spoken since about the difficulties of creating original works in an industry where adaptations are so much the norm. Quote:
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2013-06-23, 08:26 | Link #12 | ||
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(note, I just listed the first company (or split in the case of the first three); there are other parties involved, but Ascii Media Works isn't the primary funding company for those series.)
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2013-06-23, 08:26 | Link #13 |
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To be frank, the more and more I see anime with a length greater than around 13 episodes, the more and more I think that it's better this way. I can think of a lot of good shows that were ruined for me by a terrible second half. Then there's pacing issues, which crop up really quickly if an anime is running a length that's just too long, or they've written it poorly.
Sure, 13-episode anime can be wrought with pacing issues as well, often having to condense things, but this is much easier than an anime that is boring. You can artfully cut out the mundane and useless content, or skillfully find ways to keep it in with a much shorter amount of time paid to it than in the source material. I've seen far better attempts at making something short than I've seen making something long. Edit: I have to ask: Cour? When did this become a common term?
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2013-06-23, 08:48 | Link #14 |
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It's been around since the 1980s in Japanese broadcasting, but the international anime fandom has been using it since the late 2000s when we were exposed to it. It makes talking about 2-cour series with multiple seasons easier.
Ex. The currently airing Chihayafuru 2 has had four cours total: 2 in S1, 2 in S2. A columnist at ANN refered to the remaining 12 episodes of the first series as the "second season" when writing about it. Well, what is the "second season" to a reader? The last 12 episodes of S1 or the second series? Too confusing. By saying "S1's second cour" we alleviate that issue. It also standardizes length of shows that may vary by an episode or two. One-cour is 3 months regardless if it's 12 or 13 or even 14 episodes.
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2013-06-23, 13:43 | Link #15 |
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Economy sucks, stick with what's safe and reliable especially when your audience is niche, and ordering 2 cours of whatever material you have of which most likely is nothing special when you have an audience with the attention span of a goldfish is just too risky. It's best to get your crap over and done with, take the money and run before the audience realizes what a shitty job you're doing.
Not just anywhere, but across all mediums. Though arguably, some shows are so terrible that 13 episodes are too good for them. This is for the better. This makes perfect sense if you're running a business . You're not here to be an artist. You're here to make a living, and to take risks to make "art" about your aspirations is meant for times when it's booming and you have the space to make those things. In times like these, it's just better to play it safe and survive, especially when you've confined yourself to an audience that doesn't carry or appreciate the same dreams and aspirations as you do. It's not about brief moments of glory, but the long run. And ultimately, the grand majority of shows, companies, and people will be mediocre, and you have to play to those expectations. Of course, as a viewer, I'd rather hope someone thinks differently.
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2013-06-23, 15:19 | Link #16 | |
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Stories in anime are usually far too simple for multiple cours; most often they run too long as it is. If it would result in a more consistent narrative I'd prefer to see shows that are only 6 episodes long. |
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2013-06-23, 16:17 | Link #17 | |
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(I'm leaving out slice-of-life shows like Showa Monogatari or Hidamari Sketch for obvious reasons.) On the other hand Monster has 74 episodes, and none of them are filler by either definition. It just depends on how tightly the show is written. I don't think one can make blanket statements about length.
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2013-06-23, 17:03 | Link #19 |
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Well, reality dictates that you have to fill in a certain amount of time, regardless if your material fits it or not. Indeed, being at the mercy of the source writers that may release material whenever, and bean counters demanding you come up with something in that time regardless, tends to result in these things.
If I were to guess another reason beyond risk management for 13 episode anime, it would seem that media is gravitating towards speed. I mean, we're in an age where we can access so many things with a click of a button, that if something doesn't catch the eye, it's simply going to get overlooked. Also, I wonder how long physical media is going to last.
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2013-06-23, 17:55 | Link #20 |
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Which market are you looking at? In Japan, physical media was never the first way to view something, so it'll still be around. Elsewhere it'll probably move to a niche group of people purchasing it once internet streams become available to 99.9% of the population.
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