Athrun and Cagalli - any hope?

[boredandsleepy]

Originally Posted by Ediolon Sniper

Um because Cagalli is going to be very busy? Cagalli is busy restructuring Orb after the war, she could ask Athrun to do specific tasks for her too, you know.

Agreed with that portion except that they could still find time together in the future no matter how busy they were. Right?

On the contrary, I don't see his opinion even close to what we had. See below.

Originally Posted by deathknelld

I have to say this pairing a false hope as IMO. Hear Asucaga people say he wearing a Orb Military mean Athrun and Cagalli stilll together there is a problem with that

Originally Posted by Ediolon Sniper

And so this concludes your thinking THAT Athrun may never have a chance to see Meyrin again? This reasoning is faulty.

What I had said that their uniforms signalled they are in separate road at the end of SE IV. In regards to whether or not Athrun may meet with Luna, Meyrin or other former crew members in the future, we will wait for the movie to find out.

Originally Posted by Ediolon Sniper

And as far is Cagalli is concerned, she still does keep her hope of seeing Athrun or being together again with Athrun (keeping the ring), but she knew this wasn't the time for it yet, and we also have the scene where she asks Meyrin to look after Athrun. Cagalli has a lot more important things to deal with than her relationship with Athrun at the moment. For one thing, ORB. Not saying that they can't be together in the near future, but it's a sign that Cagalli wouldn't probably have much time threshing romantic things out with Athrun at the moment
And also using the "ring hiding allusion" - seriously, I meant that Cagalli didn't simply just leave her relationship with Athrun, that there's STILL a chance for them.

So, your response to this thread is that there's still a hope for AthrunxCagalli. And my answer, as you know, is always consistent; that is, they still love each other and there's hope for them.

Originally Posted by Ediolon Sniper

Also LOL why did this thread resurface again?

This thread had been quiet and peaceful for a year until this new comer "deathknelld", quite KNOWN to both Seed Forum and Fanfiction.net, dug it out to resurface it and perhaps currently enjoyed reading our "posts". Unless you're persistent, shall we just take a break and wait for the movie coming?

[boredandsleepy]

Originally Posted by yezhanquan

Well, thanks to Kuori Chimaki, I have no problems seeing Athrun and Cagalli together.

So you read her GSD The Edge about AthrunxCagalli

[yezhanquan]

Originally Posted by boredandsleepy

So you read her GSD The Edge about AthrunxCagalli

Well, Kuori-sensei's art is the best (IMO) I've seen for any manga on Destiny. Also, the little touches were quite nice.

[boredandsleepy]

Originally Posted by yezhanquan

Well, Kuori-sensei's art is the best (IMO) I've seen for any manga on Destiny. Also, the little touches were quite nice.

Agreed; expecially, I like one picture she drew for Cagalli, a running bride with her Strike Rouge in the background. Cagalli looked very pretty in that picture. And as for Athrun, he looked a bit older in the first few volumes of the Edge but handsome later in her following volumes.

[yezhanquan]

Originally Posted by boredandsleepy

Agreed; expecially, I like one picture she drew for Cagalli, a running bride with her Strike Rouge in the background. Cagalli looked very pretty in that picture. And as for Athrun, he looked a bit older in the first few volumes of the Edge but handsome later in her following volumes.

Was this pic in the tankubon volumes? I don't remember seeing it.

[boredandsleepy]

Originally Posted by yezhanquan

Was this pic in the tankubon volumes? I don't remember seeing it.

The pic was found inside one Gundam Ace monthly series in 2006.

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/2706/cagallidb6.jpg

[yezhanquan]

Yeah, the pics which followed the chapters while in serialisation were not included in the tankubon volumes. But, Kuori-sensei can't really draw mecha well. But, her character designs were good. She should mentor under Sadamoto Yoshiyuki. Can't imagine how her Shinji and Kaworu will look like.

[Eidolon Sniper]

Originally Posted by boredandsleepy

Agreed with that portion except that they could still find time together in the future no matter how busy they were. Right?

.....




Now you totally lost me. Of course that was what I was also implying, but you saw my openness to a Meyrin and Athrun relationship as a threat to this.

On the contrary, I don't see his opinion even close to what we had. See below.

What I had said that their uniforms signalled they are in separate road at the end of SE IV. In regards to whether or not Athrun may meet with Luna, Meyrin or other former crew members in the future, we will wait for the movie to find out.

So what if Athrun's in Orb? Can't Orb people go to the PLANTs to speak with Lacus? We already saw Cagalli DO that in the 1st ep of Destiny, so THERE'S a chance that Athrun might see the others as well. Remember he's not the Chief Representative, Cagalli is. Cagalli might be too busy to do something with the PLANTs at the moment, so she could probably send Athrun to become her representative. How is this hard to figure out?

So, your response to this thread is that there's still a hope for AthrunxCagalli. And my answer, as you know, is always consistent; that is, they still love each other and there's hope for them.

Yes, that's my stand as well. But Athrun Meyrin or Athrun anything is a possibility. Cagalli loosened her leash for a while on Athrun so that she could devote herself to rebuilding Orb again. Cagalli entrusts Athrun to Meyrin. For a while. At least Cagalli is being very open about her relationship with Athrun.

This thread had been quiet and peaceful for a year until this new comer "deathknelld", quite KNOWN to both Seed Forum and Fanfiction.net, dug it out to resurface it and perhaps currently enjoyed reading our "posts". Unless you're persistent, shall we just take a break and wait for the movie coming?

Still, the PM is there to tell him out in private. D-KLAC is a notorious poster in various other forums I've been a part of, even in SEED Forum, and yes, he does have his share of being picked on by other people on this board, but of course, we do not take him seriously, and we do not really take his posts to heart, unless he is very much keen on starting to troll and all guilty of answering his trolling are guilty of feeding the troll. that's quite embarrassing for Deathknelld what you did there.

[boredandsleepy]

Originally Posted by Ediolon Sniper

but you saw my openness to a Meyrin and Athrun relationship as a threat to this.

If you want to open a new discussion for Athrun and Meyrin, please do so in your own thread rather than using this thread to develop your story. You should know this thread is about "if there's hope for Athrun and Cagalli". And your comments about Athrun and Meyrin is not a threat at all. I'm more concerned about the facts/proof/source, not your imaginary story, that you could provide in your discussion.

Originally Posted by Ediolon Sniper

So what if Athrun's in Orb? Can't Orb people go to the PLANTs to speak with Lacus? We already saw Cagalli DO that in the 1st ep of Destiny, so THERE'S a chance that Athrun might see the others as well. Remember he's not the Chief Representative, Cagalli is. Cagalli might be too busy to do something with the PLANTs at the moment, so she could probably send Athrun to become her representative. How is this hard to figure out?

First, are you responding to something I said earlier and what did I say? I recalled I said Athrun and Meyrin's uniforms signalled they were in separate road at the end. This is what we had seen from the show. I don't see your response have anything to do with what I had said earlier.

Originally Posted by Ediolon Sniper

But Athrun Meyrin or Athrun anything is a possibility.

Mind to show us your fact/proof/source?

Originally Posted by Ediolon Sniper

Cagalli entrusts Athrun to Meyrin.

Cagalli asked Meyrin to take care of him because "SHE COULD NOT GO WITH THEM" in episode 45. She did not say she's going to give Athrun to Meyrin.

Originally Posted by Ediolon Sniper

Still, the PM is there to tell him out in private. D-KLAC is a notorious poster in various other forums I've been a part of, even in SEED Forum, and yes, he does have his share of being picked on by other people on this board, but of course, we do not take him seriously, and we do not really take his posts to heart, unless he is very much keen on starting to troll and all guilty of answering his trolling are guilty of feeding the troll.

Do you see you are contradicting yourself by the time you talked about D-Klac.? So we should PM "Deathknelld", not D-Klac? D-Klac is not worth to be "PM" but being harrassed/insulted by you?! I'm not on any sides between D-Klac and you at this moment but the way you asked me to PM "Deathknelld" while you were talking bad about other people, "D-Klac" in this case, is rather ridiculous and fake.

Originally Posted by Ediolon Sniper

that's quite embarrassing for Deathknelld what you did there :heh

There? Where? Seed Forum? What did I do? Details please.

More, D-Klac is not dead at all. He's still active in this forum and reading our posts. So what you had just commented about him is not embarassing him at all?!

And, I noticed something weird here. Why you had no comments about what "Deathknelld" said below? Instead, you replied back to my posts which were originally addressed to him, not you, by me. Why?

Originally Posted by deathknelld
I have to say this pairing a false hope as IMO. Hear Asucaga people say he wearing a Orb Military mean Athrun and Cagalli stilll together there is a problem with that

[deathknell]

I like to defend myself. I used to like to AXC pairing before Cagalli tried to marry another man behind his back. I post nothing wrong I am stating my opinion. I haven't read the Gundam seed destiny the Edge manga I've heard things about I get it away hasn't been released in north america. Is their away I get translated vision? So I state my IMO on it.
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[boredandsleepy]

Originally Posted by deathknell

I like to defend myself. I used to like to AXC pairing before Cagalli tried to marry another man behind his back. I post nothing wrong I am stating my opinion. I haven't read the Gundam seed destiny the Edge manga I've heard things about I get it away hasn't been released in north america. Is their away I get translated vision? So I state my IMO on it.
'

Then, can you define why you said this? Why is it false hope? You based on what?

Originally Posted by deathknelld

I have to say this pairing a false hope as IMO

And why you wrote this line below?

Originally Posted by deathknelld

Hear Asucaga people say he wearing a Orb Military mean Athrun and Cagalli stilll together there is a problem with that

[Eidolon Sniper]

Originally Posted by boredandsleepy

If you want to open a new discussion for Athrun and Meyrin, please do so in your own thread rather than using this thread to develop your story. You should know this thread is about "if there's hope for Athrun and Cagalli". And your comments about Athrun and Meyrin is not a threat at all. I'm more concerned about the facts/proof/source, not your imaginary story, that you could provide in your discussion.

Hahaha oh wow.

I think YOU should do that, not me. Anime is the proof, the final reworked version HAS the proof (final reoworked verison of the ending episode I mean). You actually attacked my posts as threats, or maybe I overreacted. Anyway, I think the anime in itself provided some clues as to the reason why Meyrin and Athrun were lumped together at some point, and could be possible after a Cagalli Athrun relationship. Stop being obtuse. I am not being delusional, I do not post things for which I have no proof, even if there are just subtle hints into it that there could be a possible Meyruin Athrun end. Note that I said the word possible, it may not be possible, but it could be possible given hints at SE IV, and when they walked (Meyrin and Athrun - note that Kira had Lacus and Shinn had Luna, their significant others) away from the Onogoro Memorial. Cagalli should be the one in that scene cause it could've made more sense and thereby cementing that they are together and for each other after all. Cagalli = busy? So what was she doing in Valley of the Stars with Athrun?

First, are you responding to something I said earlier and what did I say? I recalled I said Athrun and Meyrin's uniforms signalled they were in separate road at the end. This is what we had seen from the show. I don't see your response have anything to do with what I had said earlier.
Mind to show us your fact/proof/source?

No, no. Of course they are in separate roads, but Cagalli's job is full time and she can actually assign some work to Athrun to DO in the PLANTs. Would you rather have Cagalli do a lot of things on her own? Probably Athrun would ask her to give some of the work to him since he's concerned that Cagalli is working herself out too much. It's possible you know. Your logic that they cannot meet again because of their separate roads needs to the the one to have conclusive proof that THEY can never be together in the future because anything could still happen.

Cagalli asked Meyrin to take care of him because "SHE COULD NOT GO WITH THEM" in episode 45. She did not say she's going to give Athrun to Meyrin.

Um, why would you entrust your boyfriend to a complete stranger? It's not conclusive evidence, but Cagalli did give Athrun away for Meyrin to take care of her boyfriend in her absence, and then we get Meyrin and Athrun walking together away from Onogoro Memorial when all logic and common sense should have Cagalli with him in there.

Do you see you are contradicting yourself by the time you talked about D-Klac.? So we should PM "Deathknelld", not D-Klac? D-Klac is not worth to be "PM" but being harrassed/insulted by you?! I'm not on any sides between D-Klac and you at this moment but the way you asked me to PM "Deathknelld" while you were talking bad about other people, "D-Klac" in this case, is rather ridiculous and fake.

Honestly, nobody cares about feuds with other people we have in this board. D-KLAC is D-KLAC and whatever position you had with Deathknelld probably is only between the 2 of you, very personal or whatever. So you then want Deatknelld to air dirty laundry about you, that's what you think? Fine, then. Case closed. What goes around comes around. We don't take D-KLAC seriously, but he does manage to troll very good and we bite the bait occasionally, and we had a run-in with monir because of it. If you want your feud with Deathknelld then PM him, if you want to keep some dirty laundry that you have that Deathknelld could possibly have in store for you to be just kept to the 2 of you. You wouldn't want to be embarrassed as well do you?

There? Where? Seed Forum? What did I do? Details please.

Nobody needs to know what Deathknelld probably did in Seed Forum or in Fanfiction.net. Honestly, this is actually the first time I've seen people harassing other people from ff.net, I also happen to have an account there as well.

More, D-Klac is not dead at all. He's still active in this forum and reading our posts. So what you had just commented about him is not embarassing him at all?!

Um, D-KLAC likes to live on this kind of notoriety. I don't know, but he's proud that he's the way that he is, and we can't take that away from him whatever we do to him, or lambast him for that matter. As well as your being a staunch supporter of the AsuCaga tandem. So let's just leave it at that.

And, I noticed something weird here. Why you had no comments about what "Deathknelld" said below? Instead, you replied back to my posts which were originally addressed to him, not you, by me. Why?

Because of this:

Originally Posted by boredandsleepy

Deathknelld, it appeared you haven't had enough fun in Seed Forum and now wanted to mess around and SPAM this forum again? Why did you run away from Seed Forum? How much trouble did you cause your own sister in Seed Forum? Do you want me to post her comment about you again? Don't you know people from this Animesuki also visit Seed Forum too? I'm wondering if you simply want attention from people.

which was your reaction to what he said in this:

Originally Posted by deathknelld

I have to say this pairing a false hope as IMO. Athrun in the new ending sequence wearing orb admiral's Uniform I guessing he was adimral at the Merimol to Cruz of exploits in the Final battle of Second Bloody Valentine war. Hear Asucaga people say he wearing a Orb Military mean Athrun and Cagalli stilll together there is a problem with that
1.Meyrin is with Athrun at Memorial at Orb
2. The vist to Plants in GSDSEIV ending Credits Meyin is with him on his right side she with Athrun.

So it appears that Deathknelld has an opinion and you suddenly attack him for whatever he's been doing on Seed Forum and ff.net? Seriously? It also became a bit personal when you inserted something about his sister, and posting the comment his sister made. Your reaction had really no purpose to what he also just stated, until you push on him your belief as to why there isn't anything possible with the open ended ending SE IV had and the Onogoro Memorial scene had. Really, that outburst could've been done off with, or should've been sent to him via PM.

[boredandsleepy]

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

I think YOU should do that, not me.

Why me? I and all others in this thread are discussing the topic "If there's hope for AthrunxCagalli". You was the one who constantly spent time with off-topic issue. Instead of continuing on with you for all non-related issue, I gave you the suggestion to open your own thread so you can talk whatever you wanted.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

Anime is the proof, the final reworked version HAS the proof (final reoworked verison of the ending episode I mean).

The real final work is SE IV, not Final Plus, and we all saw what's the true ending is; that is, Athrun's wearing Orb uniform while Meyrin's wearing Zaft uniform which signalled they were in SEPARATE road.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

You actually attacked my posts as threats, or maybe I overreacted.

First, you jumped in and replied to posts which were not addressed to you, but "Deathknelld", by me. I responded to you and even suggested us to take a break and wait for the movie. Then, you jumped in again and continued on your debate. Who is being overreacted here? Can you use common sense?

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

Anyway, I think the anime in itself provided some clues as to the reason why Meyrin and Athrun were lumped together at some point, and could be possible after a Cagalli Athrun relationship. I am not being delusional, I do not post things for which I have no proof [/B]even if there are just subtle hints into it that there could be a possible Meyruin Athrun end

Then, let me tell you one thing. Your subtle hint is not the hint but your own guess and imagination. And I don't take people guess and imagination but fact and truth. Therefore, I won't even take your imaginary story. Is this the problem with you? Even though you spent your time typing up what you thought it would be for Athrun and Meyrin, none was confirmed at all. It's all your plain guess talk. For now, I don't even want to bother reading the rest of your stuff for Athrun and Meyrin. In fact, there's all kind of fanfiction out there and their imagination is even much better than yours.

Answer me. Are you 100% sure that Meyrin will be added to their new movie's character list? If you are sure about that, show us your proof? None? Have you even thought of they might simply exclude her entirely in the movie? For all we knew, only 5 main characters (Kira, Lacus, Shin, Athrun and Cagalli) were included in the movie per their announcement. No one knew if all other characters will be added to the list. Therefore, I said we will have to wait for the movie to find out. How many times had I repeated saying this!! Instead, you chose to continue on your blabbing - saying hints here and hints there. As a result, there's no hint and you're the one who setup your talk show.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

Honestly, nobody cares about feuds with other people we have in this board.

That's correct. But by reading your former posts in regards to "Lacus is plot hole or not", it gave me an impression you constantly enjoyed feuds/dispute with others.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

whatever position you had with Deathknelld probably is only between the 2 of you, very personal or whatever.

I'm glad you used "probably" in your accusation. So to answer your question, "Deathknelld" and myself didn't have any personal issue, like what you imagined to be, (We don't even know each other's name!!! LOL) but we did have debate for several topics. People who read our posts in Seed Forum was clear about what's happening. But hearing you thinking "that way" really made me laugh and made me wonder if that's what's been in your mind. Anyway, are you clear now? As a matter of fact, I had been waiting for his response in Seed Forum and found he just joined this forum all of sudden.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

So you then want Deatknelld to air dirty laundry about you, that's what you think? Fine, then. Case closed.

You are really having some problem with your mind. Deathknelld won't because he does not know me thus he does not have any of my dirty laundry. It was you the one who made that assumption for us and it was you the one who called it "dirty laundry" attack with some of your UNKNOWN purpose and even asked me to PM him to "tell him out private". Even though you pretended to defend him, you actually treated him like how you treated D-Klac.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

Still, the PM is there to tell him out in private

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

What goes around comes around.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

D-KLAC is D-KLAC. We don't take D-KLAC seriously, but he does manage to troll very good and we bite the bait occasionally, and we had a run-in with monir because of it.

I'm not in your same race and I don't talk your dialect so I don't care who or what "monir" is. However, I care people's rights regardless races. Your continuing attack against D-Klac is unfair. D-Klac is a human being. "Monir" is not your excuse to harrass/insult him as a despiteful thing. And stop using "Deathknelld" to defend yourself in your discussion.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

If you want your feud with Deathknelld then PM him, if you want to keep some dirty laundry that you have that Deathknelld could possibly have in store for you to be just kept to the 2 of you. You wouldn't want to be embarrassed as well do you?

You listen to what you said. Isn't that you are still airing dirty laundry about D-Klac?! How ridiculous and hypocrite you are! So you don't even worry if D-Klac may air dirty laundry about you in one day too? Remember what you said to me - What comes around goes around.
Back here, no matter how you used "Deathknelld" for your defense, that did not make you look any better about how you badly commented about D-Klac and your hypocrisy. We are all witnesses to this issue. If I have issue with "Deathknelld", I will address it directly to him, like how I did in Seed Forum and here. That's where I stand no matter how you tried to twist around the fact.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

Nobody needs to know what Deathknelld probably did in Seed Forum or in Fanfiction.net.

That's true but don't forget we do have people, like me, joining both forums. So they knew what's happening without me mentioning it.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

Honestly, this is actually the first time I've seen people harassing other people from ff.net, I also happen to have an account there as well.

It's also my first time to see people in the same Filipino race continuously harrassing their own race people on this forum; that is, D-Klac. Also, you haven't even seen other people on FF.net being harrassed by others at all?

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

Um, D-KLAC likes to live on this kind of notoriety. I don't know, but he's proud that he's the way that he is, and we can't take that away from him whatever we do to him, or lambast him for that matter.

Can you PLEASE stop talking bad about D-Klac? As of now, he hasn't even responded to what you had said. Whether it's his nature/virtue to tolerate your insult, he has not done anything obvious bad to others. To me, he's humorous with funny signature. That's my impression about him when reading his post. I noticed others may not like what he said; however, unlike you, THEY did not continue their ongoing attack against him.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

As well as your being a staunch supporter of the AsuCaga tandem. So let's just leave it at that.

After all your ranting above? LOL. If you want to leave the way it is, I shall do the same too.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

So it appears that Deathknelld has an opinion and you suddenly attack him for whatever he's been doing on Seed Forum and ff.net? Seriously? It also became a bit personal when you inserted something about his sister, and posting the comment his sister made. Your reaction had really no purpose to what he also just stated

So you considered my warning as attacking him and your attacking D-Klac is no big deal? I respected this forum as meeting place for all those who like animes in general; yes, I have been overreacted of worrying him creating trouble to this forum again. Ever since reading his second response, I'm planning to take out that warning statement soon. Ok, I've just removed that warning statement. Now, what else from you?

You even pretended his bashing statement below the opinion?! So you agreed him bashing Asucaga people?! "People" is not just one person.

Originally Posted by deathknelld

Hear Asucaga people say he wearing a Orb Military mean Athrun and Cagalli stilll together there is a problem with that

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper"

until you push on him your belief as to why there isn't anything possible with the open ended ending SE IV had and the Onogoro Memorial scene had. Really, that outburst could've been done off with, or should've been sent to him via PM.

So called my following response to him outburst; especially the first one? I was asking him why he said Athrun and Cagalli do not have the chance to be together when he's wearing Orb uniform.

My responses:
1) Athrun is now on Orb side so why there won't be a chance they will be together?
2) Well, the true ending credit in SE IV is Athrun wearing's Orb uniform and Meyrin's wearing Zaft uniform that signaled they are in SEPARATE road.
3) Can you show us the image about them being together besides the Memorial scene? None? As far as I know, Athrun was walking with the Zaft team at the end so that's not anything special or ROMANTIC about seeing Luna, Shin, Kira, Meyrin and Dom Troops with him there.

What you purposedly did was to misinterpret what I had said and regarded his bashing statement as opinion to Asucaga people as a perfect response to what I had questioned you.

Originally Posted by boredandsleepy

And, I noticed something weird here. Why you had no comments about what "Deathknelld" said below? Instead, you replied back to my posts which were originally addressed to him, not you, by me. Why?

Here is my advice to you. If you had been wanting to resurface this thread to develop your story or for whatever attention reason, you should do so rather than using "deathknelld" post as your excuse.


All right, that's it. I apologize to mod about all these non-topic issues.

[Eidolon Sniper]

Originally Posted by boredandsleepy

Why me? I and all others in this thread are discussing the topic "If there's hope for AthrunxCagalli". You was the one who constantly spent time with off-topic issue. Instead of continuing on with you for all non-related issue, I gave you the suggestion to open your own thread so you can talk whatever you wanted.

What? Now you're claiming Athrun and Meyrin is a non-issue? You must be blind to see that for some reason Cagalli thought Meyrin was important in the equation regarding her and Athrun's relationship. As long as there is an Athrun in the equation, it is still relevant, also, Cagalli was the one who used Meyrin for some reason to entrust her Athrun with. Was I the one who put Meyrin in the equation?

The real final work is SE IV, not Final Plus, and we all saw what's the true ending is; that is, Athrun's wearing Orb uniform while Meyrin's wearing Zaft uniform which signalled they were in SEPARATE road.
First, you jumped in and replied to posts which were not addressed to you, but "Deathknelld", by me. I responded to you and even suggested us to take a break and wait for the movie. Then, you jumped in again and continued on your debate. Who is being overreacted here? Can you use common sense?

LOL what. Kindly read your first welcome back post to Deathknelld again. This is supposed to be a board wherein such personal attacks should not be the first things that you do when you see an enemy of yours. So who cares if he did some dubious things? I could leave you 2 off to argue for all I care, but then again, if the thing starts to devolve into a rather heated personal flame war, then it isn't an Athrun X Cagalli thread anymore. I would probably be interfering with what you guys are arguing about, but attacking Deathknelld like that is very .

Then, let me tell you one thing. Your subtle hint is not the hint but your own guess and imagination. And I don't take people guess and imagination but fact and truth. Therefore, I won't even take your imaginary story. Is this the problem with you? Even though you spent your time typing up what you thought it would be for Athrun and Meyrin, none was confirmed at all. It's all your plain guess talk. For now, I don't even want to bother reading the rest of your stuff for Athrun and Meyrin. In fact, there's all kind of fanfiction out there and their imagination is even much better than yours.

And so how can you even prove that they WOULD NOT BE TOGETHER or SEE EACH OTHER AGAIN in the long run? There's no proof to your claims that Athrun would not be seeing Meyrin again, maybe not to start a relationship, but see each other again. You have no proof. You are the one deluding yourself of that imaginary guess or supposition of yours. I am at least open to the possibility of that occurring, whereas you seem to have a trouble of even entertaining just for a second that it could be really possible. Cagalli is very busy as an Orb chief representative, and she could ask Athrun some favors to handle for her in the PLANTs. It's not that farfetched, nor it is imaginary. Cagalli couldn't probably do things all by her lonesome. What, you want to kill her off from overworking herself? Athrun could cover for her if Cagalli wants him to, you can't dictate him not to stay away from Cagalli's side if Cagalli wants it. Cagalli kept the ring away because for now at least she wants to concentrate on her job, but she's still open to a possible reunion with Athrun. Can you not understand that?

And wow, now you're also attacking me about my how my ideas are worse than fanfic authors as well too.

Answer me. Are you 100% sure that Meyrin will be added to their new movie's character list? If you are sure about that, show us your proof? None? Have you even thought of they might simply exclude her entirely in the movie? For all we knew, only 5 main characters (Kira, Lacus, Shin, Athrun and Cagalli) were included in the movie per their announcement. No one knew if all other characters will be added to the list. Therefore, I said we will have to wait for the movie to find out. How many times had I repeated saying this!! Instead, you chose to continue on your blabbing - saying hints here and hints there. As a result, there's no hint and you're the one who setup your talk show.

LOL. And so does this mean, Shinn, Luna would not be included as well? Um, last thing I heard they were now also on the Clyne Faction list of heroes too. And let's not forget the others as well, like Andrew, Mwu, Murrue, Yzak, Dearka, etc. They may not have big roles, but at least if they are considered part of the story, then it's not our job to dictate or even state that other characters would not be included in the movie. I am open to the fact that Meyrin would not be included, so who cares? But you seem to be finding it very hard to consider that Meyrin could be included in the movie as well. In movies, only big stars are named in the top tier credits and movie posters, but extras and other not so important characters, they get credited for their work as well in the ending credits. So your argument that the big 4 are the only ones who are included in the movie and no Meyrin that could be possibly put in is flawed logic as best. You are constantly not seeing the hints that were dropped in the show. So now you say that SEs are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the show in terms of canon things that were presented? Also, I find Athrun in Orb and Kira in ZAFT as a whitecoat to be pretty unbelievable because they deserve to be where they were affiliated beforehand, so Kira should be in Orb and Athrun should be in ZAFT. Heck, Kira is an EA person in SEED to an admiral in the Orb forces in Destiny then he suddenly changes into a whitecoat uniform. Same with Athrun, who was from ZAFT, came to Orb, back to ZAFT and back to Orb again. No wonder Morosawa and Fukuda are not taken seriously for what they did in the CE. Do those things (Kira and Athrun in their SE IV jobs as to what happened to them in the entire course of the series) make sense to you? Sorry, it does not for me. So we better leave it at that.

That's correct. But by reading your former posts in regards to "Lacus is plot hole or not", it gave me an impression you constantly enjoyed feuds/dispute with others.

No I do not. And LOL for bringing another not so related idea into this thread. I find Lacus a plothole character, but others do not think of her that way, so it allows for cheerful debate. But Cagalli kinda disproves them for some reason, and they still see her as not a plothole character. But this should be in that thread, not here.

I'm glad you used "probably" in your accusation. So to answer your question, "Deathknelld" and myself didn't have any personal issue, like what you imagined to be, (We don't even know each other's name!!! LOL) but we did have debate for several topics. People who read our posts in Seed Forum was clear about what's happening. But hearing you thinking "that way" really made me laugh and made me wonder if that's what's been in your mind. Anyway, are you clear now? As a matter of fact, I had been waiting for his response in Seed Forum and found he just joined this forum all of sudden.

But still, dragging in some insidious matter as to imply that he must've did something horribly wrong in Seed Forum and ff.net is a little too much. That somehow made it worse, because you say that you don't even know him that well as to explode on him suddenly like that. So what if he joins this forum? Could you ascertain or be 100% sure of the fact that he joined this forum to get some lulz or to annoy you or whatever you have in mind? I for one was curious as to why this CE thread was resurrected, and that was the first thing I see before your Athrun Cagalli talks with yezhanquan. What??

You are really having some problem with your mind. Deathknelld won't because he does not know me thus he does not have any of my dirty laundry. It was you the one who made that assumption for us and it was you the one who called it "dirty laundry" attack with some of your UNKNOWN purpose and even asked me to PM him to "tell him out private". Even though you pretended to defend him, you actually treated him like how you treated D-Klac.

Um what. Read your first welcome post to Deathknelld again. If that wasn't some blatant personal attack of whatever, or you just put it in a way that seemed very insulting, then I don't know what is. And how did I treat him like D-KLAC? Don't you even read your own posts for that matter? Probably your choice of words were wrong or something. And I see that you removed that post too! Wow. If you said something to that effect, boredandsleepy, then own up for it. I try to own up for what I do wrong.

I'm not in your same race and I don't talk your dialect so I don't care who or what "monir" is. However, I care people's rights regardless races. Your continuing attack against D-Klac is unfair. D-Klac is a human being. "Monir" is not your excuse to harrass/insult him as a despiteful thing. And stop using "Deathknelld" to defend yourself in your discussion.

._______________________.

monir is a moderator. I along with a bunch of people got burned of feeding the troll who is D-KLAC. This happened in the Trilogy thread for SEED, it became so bad that it was more of a flame hate war or whatever that was going on with D-KLAC than what it did with the SEED Trilogy. Even CE fans do not take to him kindly.

You listen to what you said. Isn't that you are still airing dirty laundry about D-Klac?! How ridiculous and hypocrite you are! So you don't even worry if D-Klac may air dirty laundry about you in one day too? Remember what you said to me - What comes around goes around.

D-KLAC's posts are a testament to that, that is why I said we just ignore him. But sometimes his posts are...a little too much. Did I tell tales out of school and said that D-KLAC was doing something insidious in the other forums I visited? He was known there notoriously for being a infinite % CE fanatic, and that is how people know him. Have you tried reading his posts?

Back here, no matter how you used "Deathknelld" for your defense, that did not make you look any better about how you badly commented about D-Klac and your hypocrisy. We are all witnesses to this issue. If I have issue with "Deathknelld", I will address it directly to him, like how I did in Seed Forum and here. That's where I stand no matter how you tried to twist around the fact.

I would be a hypocrite if I lambasted D-KLAC for nothing. Have you tried reading his posts? You should've been there during that Trilogy episode. All of us were raging at D-KLAC's posts because it was simply infuriating or just leaves a very bad taste in the mouth. So hence, we ignore him.

That's true but don't forget we do have people, like me, joining both forums. So they knew what's happening without me mentioning it.

>.>;;

And there are people who don't too. Don't forget that. I haven't been much to the SEED Forum lately, so I didn't know what was happening between you and Deathknelled, and there are people who aren't from SEED Forum and they see that about Deathknelld.

It's also my first time to see people in the same Filipino race continuously harrassing their own race people on this forum; that is, D-Klac. Also, you haven't even seen other people on FF.net being harrassed by others at all?

What?

Were we harassing D-KLAC? We're just ignoring him and letting him be by his lonesome. How can you call that harassment? The quality of his posts merit why even CE fans do not take to him kindly either. I haven't been to ff.net lately because of work, so I have no idea what's happening there as well. That is why I'm surprised to see you do that to him.

Can you PLEASE stop talking bad about D-Klac? As of now, he hasn't even responded to what you had said. Whether it's his nature/virtue to tolerate your insult, he has not done anything obvious bad to others. To me, he's humorous with funny signature. That's my impression about him when reading his post. I noticed others may not like what he said; however, unlike you, THEY did not continue their ongoing attack against him.

And now how am I attacking D-KLAC again? So I guess you probably read where he gets his information for the GS movie - from crunchyroll. OK. I am not attacking him, I just said that his posts are sometimes considered even by CE fans. I do not even randomly attack him, I just ignore him, until he brings irrelevant GS discussion into a thread where it's not supposed to be of that nature. Or say things about GS that are well and good in the context of the thread but sometimes gets carried away with what he's saying. I wasn't even saying that he did something BAD to others. Where did you get that?

After all your ranting above? LOL. If you want to leave the way it is, I shall do the same too.

Um you removed/edited that first post before that. Too bad for me I guess. But I guess you changed it because I could use it to great effect or something, and brings a lot of harming evidence that you did indeed "attack" Deathknelld. I SEE what you did there.

So you considered my warning as attacking him and your attacking D-Klac is no big deal? I respected this forum as meeting place for all those who like animes in general; yes, I have been overreacted of worrying him creating trouble to this forum again. Ever since reading his second response, I'm planning to take out that warning statement soon. Ok, I've just removed that warning statement. Now, what else from you?

Even so, if you see your sworn debate enemy on another forum, at least even try to respect him a little. I was really expecting new information for Athrun and Cagalli and that is what I saw. @.@;; I am pretty sure that Deathknelld would not try to do something which he "did" in the SEED Forums, or whatever he feels like doing. It's his right to do so, we can't make him do otherwise if he feels like it, unless he went over the limit and let the moderators worry about it if he did. Or if we have grievances with the person, we take it to PM him and not let the entire board knows about what happened between that person or persons and us.

You even pretended his bashing statement below the opinion?! So you agreed him bashing Asucaga people?! "People" is not just one person.

Um what. He stated that he loved the AsuCaga pairing until Cagalli got Morosawa'd and had to marry another man against her will - which I also think shouldn't have happened. How is he bashing the pairing or the people who love the pairing? He was probably at why Cagalli was SIDELINED for Meyrin in the ending sequence of SE IV, and why Cagalli wasn't with him in Onogoro Memorial because it meant a lot for Cagalli to be there as common sense dictates that CAGALLI SHOULD BE THERE.

So called my following response to him outburst; especially the first one? I was asking him why he said Athrun and Cagalli do not have the chance to be together when he's wearing Orb uniform.

He was stating opinions on the matter. >.>;; He stated that on his second reply to you. He admits to not having read the Edge manga, and stated that he loved AsuCaga until Cagalli was Morosawa'd because IT should not be the CASE. He's also stated that he's looking for a translated Edge manga as well, meaning he probably wants to read more about that manga and so make him have hope for AsuCaga or whatever he thinks should be. How could that be bashing? @.@;;

What you purposedly did was to misinterpret what I had said and regarded his bashing statement as opinion to Asucaga people as a perfect response to what I had questioned you.

What? How did his opinions suddenly become bashing? @.@;;

Here is my advice to you. If you had been wanting to resurface this thread to develop your story or for whatever attention reason, you should do so rather than using "deathknelld" post as your excuse.

I am not using Deathknelld as an excuse. And developing my story? I'm not even asking for Athrun and Meyrin to get all the wrong attention as they did from you, and I am quite surprised as to why you discount such a pairing that could probably happen. I consider myself an AsuCaga fan and I am open with Athrun anything relationship because Cagalli for this instance has loosened her rein on Athrun, and she was being open minded that her relationship with him could not possibly work at that time. If Yzak and Fllay could have a fanbase, so does Meyrin and Athrun. At least Athrun just didn't yell at Meyrin to sit down or something and so a pairing happens.

All right, that's it. I apologize to mod about all these non-topic issues.

For further Deathknelld arguments, then it's off to PM for us. Anyway this is also derailing the topic at hand, and I also apologize. The fact still remains that I am open to an AsuMey as much as AsuCaga to happen, and that will never change.

[boredandsleepy]

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

Now you're claiming Athrun and Meyrin is a non-issue? You must be blind to see that for some reason Cagalli thought Meyrin was important in the equation regarding her and Athrun's relationship. As long as there is an Athrun in the equation, it is still relevant, also, Cagalli was the one who used Meyrin for some reason to entrust her Athrun with. Was I the one who put Meyrin in the equation? And so how can you even prove that they WOULD NOT BE TOGETHER or SEE EACH OTHER AGAIN in the long run?

Do I have to go through this again with you? Just because you have memory problem, it does not mean I have to keep repeating things to entertain you. Both Seed 120% announced Meyrin at that walking scene did not mean she was the one for Athrun and then Morosawa in her 2006 interview did not even say that meant couple, not to mention the GSD The Edge. That's the proof, more reliable than your guess and vision. Don't act dumb as if you did not know this since we've gone through number of posts for these in the past. I repeated saying both Athrun and Meyrin's wearing different uniforms at the end of SE IV signalled they were on separate roads, which was referencing back to what Morosawa said in 2006 - perhaps they would go to separate roads. And there's no record indicating Meyrin would be part of the new movie. In comparison with your guess/imagination, which is more reliable?. How reliable your guess/vision is? None. It's all your plain guess. I'm sick about you forcing people on taking your imagination just to satisfy yourself.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

Kindly read your first welcome back post to Deathknelld again. This is supposed to be a board wherein such personal attacks should not be the first things that you do when you see an enemy of yours. So who cares if he did some dubious things? I could leave you 2 off to argue for all I care, but then again, if the thing starts to devolve into a rather heated personal flame war, then it isn't an Athrun X Cagalli thread anymore. I would probably be interfering with what you guys are arguing about, but attacking Deathknelld like that is very

I have already removed my warning statement so it's not even there. As a matter of fact, I don't even mention him much in my posts. It was you constantly brought him up in your discussion. What's your issue here? For all we know, you are still attacking D-Klac.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

And I see that you removed that post too! Wow. If you said something to that effect, boredandsleepy, then own up for it. I try to own up for what I do wrong. If you said something to that effect, boredandsleepy, then own up for it. I try to own up for what I do wrong.

First, I don't want that statement there anymore since he seems willing to join our discussion. Second, I removed the warning statement so you can't use Deathknelld as your defense anymore for D-Klac case. It sounds like you are upset and want me to put it back? For your enjoyment? Are you sick or something?

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

your claims that Athrun would not be seeing Meyrin again, maybe not to start a relationship, but see each other again.

To me, yes, it's very possible considering of what Seed 120% and Morosawa had said as well as the possibility that Meyrin, as a sub character, may not be in the movie due to show time. So, what's your answer for Meyrin in the movie? Will they add her to the movie? If she's not in the movie, all your guess are just garbages.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

You have no proof. You are the one deluding yourself of that imaginary guess or supposition of yours.

Haven't you forgotten you was the one hallucinating something "personal" going on between me and Deathknelld? Who's been deluding? It's YOU.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

I am at least open to the possibility of that occurring, whereas you seem to have a trouble of even entertaining just for a second that it could be really possible.

Nope, it was you who was upset about me not taking your imagination/opinion.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

Cagalli is very busy as an Orb chief representative, and she could ask Athrun some favors to handle for her in the PLANTs. It's not that farfetched, nor it is imaginary. Cagalli couldn't probably do things all by her lonesome. What, you want to kill her off from overworking herself?

Well, it depends on how the movie will be developed whether it may have that part for Athrun's returning to Plant. Even though Athrun returns to Plant for Cagalli, it does not mean he will meet with everyone, that includes Meyrin and other as well. Also, we don't even know if she will be included in the movie.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

Cagalli kept the ring away because for now at least she wants to concentrate on her job, but she's still open to a possible reunion with Athrun. Can you not understand that?

Eh? That's the nice statement. Are you saying I'm objecting it?

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

And wow, now you're also attacking me about my how my ideas are worse than fanfic authors as well too.

No, I'm not talking about your ideas but your imagination. Well, since you're on FF.net, you should know there's a lot of competitive fanfic authors. I don't consider it attack to you when I said theirs is better than your imagination. I'm simply trying to be honest.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

And so does this mean, Shinn, Luna would not be included as well?

Shin is included officially but Luna. I think she will be included but I can't be too sure to answer that.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

Um, last thing I heard they were now also on the Clyne Faction list of heroes too. And let's not forget the others as well, like Andrew, Mwu, Murrue, Yzak, Dearka, etc. They may not have big roles, but at least if they are considered part of the story, then it's not our job to dictate or even state that other characters would not be included in the movie.

Unlike TV show, the movie may only include certain characters for the show. I doubt Mwu, Murrue and Andrew will be included in the movie.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

I am open to the fact that Meyrin would not be included, so who cares?

Then, why were all these arguments from you?

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

But you seem to be finding it very hard to consider that Meyrin could be included in the movie as well.

Well, I'm using logic based on Seed 120% and Morosawa's saying. So you believe Meyrin will be included?

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

In movies, only big stars are named in the top tier credits and movie posters, but extras and other not so important characters, they get credited for their work as well in the ending credits. So your argument that the big 4 are the only ones who are included in the movie and no Meyrin that could be possibly put in is flawed logic as best.

No, it's big 5 - Kira, Lacus, Athrun, Shin, and Cagalli are officially announced. And we don't know the list of other characters for the movie.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

You are constantly not seeing the hints that were dropped in the show.

You are denying the message from Seed 120% and Morosawa as well as all those information I posted for Asucaga (see previous pages for details) but seeing your own hints valid. When I don't see what you see, you think I don't see the hints. As a matter of fact, there are no valid hints at all.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

So now you say that SEs are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the show in terms of canon things that were presented? So we better leave it at that.

It at least added more new scenes for Asucaga and included that extra ending credit scene - Athrun's wearing Orb uniform, not to mention Morosawa confirmed they still love each other in her 2006 interview.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

But still, dragging in some insidious matter as to imply that he must've did something horribly wrong in Seed Forum and ff.net is a little too much. That somehow made it worse, because you say that you don't even know him that well as to explode on him suddenly like that. So what if he joins this forum?

I don't know him that did not mean I can't find out anything about him. Just like I know you are Filipino.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

Could you ascertain or be 100% sure of the fact that he joined this forum to get some lulz or to annoy you or whatever you have in mind?

After reading your response, I must warn you about your hallucination about me and Deathknelld. I have stated there's no personal issue between me and him and we don't even know each other name at all. You continued on your very sick mind to imagine something about us. Yes, I have debate with him over certain topics in Seed Forum and that's all. If you continue on this again, I will have to take it up to the moderator.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

monir is a moderator. I along with a bunch of people got burned of feeding the troll who is D-KLAC. This happened in the Trilogy thread for SEED, it became so bad that it was more of a flame hate war or whatever that was going on with D-KLAC than what it did with the SEED Trilogy. Even CE fans do not take to him kindly

D-KLAC's posts are a testament to that, that is why I said we just ignore him. But sometimes his posts are...a little too much. Did I tell tales out of school and said that D-KLAC was doing something insidious in the other forums I visited? He was known there notoriously for being a infinite % CE fanatic, and that is how people know him. Have you tried reading his posts?

Why are you still airing the dirty laundry about him? If there's a really issue with D-Klac, our mod will take appropriate action instead of your spreading the gossip on this forum. Take a break and drink coffee or whatever. You are not acting normal now.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

I would be a hypocrite if I lambasted D-KLAC for nothing. Have you tried reading his posts? You should've been there during that Trilogy episode. All of us were raging at D-KLAC's posts because it was simply infuriating or just leaves a very bad taste in the mouth. So hence, we ignore him.

I read his posts myself too and not all his posts are useless. Even though he's not with us at this moment, you still continue on your backslabbing him. Have you noticed other people did not complain much about him now? Because we are all silent and reading your posts. Don't you even notice it? YOU are the only one currently enjoying your bad talking at him.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

So I guess you probably read where he gets his information for the GS movie - from crunchyroll.

I read that myself but I'm not their member. Even though the information may not be reliable, D-Klac is not lying about his source but you chose to attack him continuously.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

I do not even randomly attack him, I just ignore him

Yeah, right, ignored him but then you added "it's hazardous to your health" after you said "ignore him". You are still attacking him.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

until he brings irrelevant GS discussion into a thread where it's not supposed to be of that nature.

Tell you the truth. Not everything he said is irrelevant but you simply disregard that.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

Or say things about GS that are well and good in the context of the thread but sometimes gets carried away with what he's saying.

It's ok. Just don't be too mean to him.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

I wasn't even saying that he did something BAD to others. Where did you get that?

I said he did not do anythings obvious bad to others. Read my previous post.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

Um what. He stated that he loved the AsuCaga pairing until Cagalli got Morosawa'd and had to marry another man against her will - which I also think shouldn't have happened. How is he bashing the pairing or the people who love the pairing? He was probably How did his opinions suddenly become bashing? @.@;;

It's inside his first post. See text in bold in below.

Originally Posted by Deathknelld

I have to say this pairing a false hope as IMO. Athrun in the new ending sequence wearing orb admiral's Uniform I guessing he was adimral at the Merimol to Cruz of exploits in the Final battle of Second Bloody Valentine war. Hear Asucaga people say he wearing a Orb Military mean Athrun and Cagalli stilll together there is a problem with that

That is, he saw a problem with Asucaga fans thinking Athrun and Cagalli together when he's now wearing a Orb Military uniform. That's the bashing statement. You was the one considering it's a no big deal opinion. It's indeed a bashing statement to Asucaga fans and you somewhat advocated him.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

I am not using Deathknelld as an excuse. And developing my story?

Well, it depends on what your motive at this moment whether you just want attention from people and now you have mine.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

The fact still remains that I am open to an AsuMey as much as AsuCaga to happen, and that will never change.

And the fact is my response to this thread is always consistent; that is, Morosawa confirmed Athrun and Cagalli still love each other and there's hope for them.

Finally, I apologize to Mod for all non-topic related issues.

[Eidolon Sniper]

Spoiler for boredandsleepy:

Originally Posted by boredandsleepy

Do I have to go through this again with you? Just because you have memory problem, it does not mean I have to keep repeating things to entertain you. Both Seed 120% announced Meyrin at that walking scene did not mean she was the one for Athrun and then Morosawa in her 2006 interview did not even say that meant couple, not to mention the GSD The Edge. That's the proof, more reliable than your guess and vision. Don't act dumb as if you did not know this since we've gone through number of posts for these in the past. I repeated saying both Athrun and Meyrin's wearing different uniforms at the end of SE IV signalled they were on separate roads, which was referencing back to what Morosawa said in 2006 - perhaps they would go to separate roads. And there's no record indicating Meyrin would be part of the new movie. In comparison with your guess/imagination, which is more reliable?. How reliable your guess/vision is? None. It's all your plain guess. I'm sick about you forcing people on taking your imagination just to satisfy yourself.

Sigh.

Let me get through this again.

I am not denying the possibility of an actual reunion for AsuCaga, but I am also open to the fact that Athrun and Meyrin could meet again. I am not forcing you to agree that AsuMey is the only intended pairing, it's a possible pairing, after what Cagalli did in SE IV and in the run of the series when she entrusts Athrun to Meyrin. Just be open minded about other fandoms will you? >.>;; Now you are making me like AsuKira even more. ToT

I have already removed my warning statement so it's not even there. As a matter of fact, I don't even mention him much in my posts. It was you constantly brought him up in your discussion. What's your issue here? For all we know, you are still attacking D-Klac.

Now you seem to be the one with the wild imagination, not me. I ignore D-KLAC, as most of the other people on this board would probably do as well, unless he goes into his fanatic outbursts and the fun begins anew with the moderator cuttings and trimmings with posts. How did ignoring suddenly become attacking?

First, I don't want that statement there anymore since he seems willing to join our discussion. Second, I removed the warning statement so you can't use Deathknelld as your defense anymore for D-Klac case. It sounds like you are upset and want me to put it back? For your enjoyment? Are you sick or something?

First of all, why did you remove that statement? The statement could've been avoided the first time you used that as a welcome message to deathknelld, and all this awkwardness should have been avoided at all costs. I didn't actually see that you removed that statement because I was busy trying up new ways to defend myself from not being overly imaginative with worse ideas than fanfic writers that you compare me with. If something like an allusion or even a hint that the Meyrin Athrun interaction didn't happen, I wouldn't try defending it. But they DID have minimal interaction in a couple of eps. You are completely ignoring that small interaction, and the meaning that SE IV and the entrusting and Final Plus episode because by all accounts as I have stated time and again, CAGALLI SHOULD BE THERE and NOT MEYRIN. And so you don't have anything against deathknelld, well and good. But the phrasing was just a bit insulting and a bit personal - nobody would care about what his exploits are in other forums, and they didn't need to know.

To me, yes, it's very possible considering of what Seed 120% and Morosawa had said as well as the possibility that Meyrin, as a sub character, may not be in the movie due to show time. So, what's your answer for Meyrin in the movie? Will they add her to the movie? If she's not in the movie, all your guess are just garbages.

So what if she DOES appear in the movie? Then all your claims that Meyrin is not to be included in the movie also becomes totally considered as not the complete truth as well? I said that I don't care if she's not or if she is in the movie, I'm stating that I'm open to that possibility, and it seems that you do not like that. OK.

Haven't you forgotten you was the one hallucinating something "personal" going on between me and Deathknelld? Who's been deluding? It's YOU.

That is why I said "probably". this, after completely forgetting what I wrote, and how you thanked me for using the word probably too. Oh boy. >.>;;

Nope, it was you who was upset about me not taking your imagination/opinion.

And disregarding opinions against what you hold as the infallible truth is also upsetting for AsuCaga fans like me.

Well, it depends on how the movie will be developed whether it may have that part for Athrun's returning to Plant. Even though Athrun returns to Plant for Cagalli, it does not mean he will meet with everyone, that includes Meyrin and other as well. Also, we don't even know if she will be included in the movie.

The word is possible, probable, they could meet. And why wouldn't they meet? Meyrin wasn't just some random bridge bunny on the Minerva, wasn't she? And she served even for a while in the Eternal. But who knows.

Eh? That's the nice statement. Are you saying I'm objecting it?

No, but it was somehow lost in translation when you saw all red when I used that in accordance with AsuMey.

No, I'm not talking about your ideas but your imagination. Well, since you're on FF.net, you should know there's a lot of competitive fanfic authors. I don't consider it attack to you when I said theirs is better than your imagination. I'm simply trying to be honest.

Saying it like "I have heard better thoughts than yours regarding the AsuMey pairing and why I think it wouldn't work" or saying it like "why do you think it could work" is a lot better than outright trying to brand my ideas as a conveniently hidden "all your words are lies, you have a great imagination" and saying that "it could never happen and you are just imagining things". I know about the competitive authors thing, and I have heard a lot of bad things other people say about fanfic writers, and it saddens me because it's like they're lumping fanfic writers into a stereotype. And the ironic thing is they brand Destiny as a fanfic gone bad as well. Take that as you will. And I had a comment like that in my Yami No Matsuei fanfic, the anonymous poster asked why I made up a lot of words that don't make sense, equivalent to disregarding my fanfic as an outright "blasphemy" for the YnM fandom and saying that all my thoughts in that fanfic were lies. Got disheartened by it, but what the heck, why would I care? If they want a fanfic that so appeals to their fan senses, then they should go make their own and not lambast other people for trying to write a fanfic that way. That was why it was called as "fan fiction". >.>;;

Shin is included officially but Luna. I think she will be included but I can't be too sure to answer that.

>.>;; Now why would Morosawa do that??

Unlike TV show, the movie may only include certain characters for the show. I doubt Mwu, Murrue and Andrew will be included in the movie.

Extras or cameos from other people would not be a thing unheard of in compilations or a movie, especially if there is a huge fanbase to these characters to be appeased. Not sure if that was the case in the UC compilation movies, so I stand to be corrected here.

Then, why were all these arguments from you?

You asked for proof, and I did try to provide it, but were completely steamrolled over by indications that you clearly see as not a possible AsuMey pairing, and because it was used in conjunction with AsuMey as well.

Well, I'm using logic based on Seed 120% and Morosawa's saying. So you believe Meyrin will be included?

Yes. As I stated a lot of times I am open to that fact, and if not, then it's OK. I love AsuCaga pairing after KiraFllay, and that means a lot.

No, it's big 5 - Kira, Lacus, Athrun, Shin, and Cagalli are officially announced. And we don't know the list of other characters for the movie.

This is bad and I feel bad because it must mean LOL DEADLINE CRAMMING decisions from Morosawa again, hiatus as she is as she is currently ill. >.>;; And I do not like what Fukuda Fukuda'd his wife for in the blog post brightman produced in the Trilogy thread for the lulz, mainly because Fukuda is not known for being an honest man with the CE and interviews regarding it, and how he contradicts Morosawa (FUKUDA'D) in that aspect.

You are denying the message from Seed 120% and Morosawa as well as all those information I posted for Asucaga (see previous pages for details) but seeing your own hints valid. When I don't see what you see, you think I don't see the hints. As a matter of fact, there are no valid hints at all.

>.>;;

Can you point a post I made that stated clearly that AsuCaga would not be together? Is it not possible to like 2 fandoms at the same time?

It at least added more new scenes for Asucaga and included that extra ending credit scene - Athrun's wearing Orb uniform, not to mention Morosawa confirmed they still love each other in her 2006 interview.

Of course they still love each other, and Cagalli taking her ring off does not mean she is not open to reuniting with Athrun, etc. But keep in mind that Cagalli's going to be a very busy woman, and it could be possible that their love would not prove as strong as before or could wane, especially if Cagalli's work takes up all of her time to be with Athrun, an aspect she clearly acknowledged when she apologized to Athrun for not being there in the first eps of Destiny. She clearly wants to be there for Athrun, but Orb needed her more.

I don't know him that did not mean I can't find out anything about him. Just like I know you are Filipino.

Well, I spent a lot of time with D-KLAC in a lot of forums, and he's simply like that, the best poster boy for the CE. I don't really take him too seriously unless he goes on a fanatic mode that even keep CE fans wary of him. We just let him be, and well, it's OK for him, we don't bother him.

After reading your response, I must warn you about your hallucination about me and Deathknelld. I have stated there's no personal issue between me and him and we don't even know each other name at all. You continued on your very sick mind to imagine something about us. Yes, I have debate with him over certain topics in Seed Forum and that's all. If you continue on this again, I will have to take it up to the moderator.

The word is probably again, PROBABLY. I did not say that bad blood exists between the both of you, but the welcoming post to him was that harsh. If it were addressed to you, how would you feel? >.>;; I said probably, because I didn't know. However, this is something that shocked me.

Originally Posted by boredandsleepy

Deathknelld, it appeared you haven't had enough fun in Seed Forum and now wanted to mess around and SPAM this forum again? Why did you run away from Seed Forum? How much trouble did you cause your own sister in Seed Forum? Do you want me to post her comment about you again? Don't you know people from this Animesuki also visit Seed Forum too? I'm wondering if you simply want attention from people.

This statement alone could hurt your stance in defending yourself against yourself. Let's see..."you didn't have enough fun in the Seed Forum and now you want to SPAM this forum again?" What, deathknelld only posted an opinion. Spam happens when he asks would Kira get a score with Cagalli or some random stuff that doesn't appeal to the context of this thread, and he hasn't violated anything of that sort when he posted that. Or doubleposting everytime he says those opinions. The next statement made it kinda personal and it shocked me: "how much trouble did you cause your own sister in the Seed Forum" and "do you want me to post her comment about you again". Not really something that could warrant just a heated debate, I mean, his sister was involved in this, or maybe you just worded it in a wrong way. Then the clincher: "I'm wondering if you simply want attention from people". >.>;; In all my times I've been to this forum, I have never encountered a post like this, even if it came to serious heated debates. At least we still try to respect each other even if we don't agree on either ends of the fandom spectrum. And of course, I was foolish enough to just take it as a single post only thing, never to be attacked or questioned (my reply to that).

Why are you still airing the dirty laundry about him? If there's a really issue with D-Klac, our mod will take appropriate action instead of your spreading the gossip on this forum. Take a break and drink coffee or whatever. You are not acting normal now.

D-KLAC has been going on like that for quite some time now. And no, I'm not backstabbing him. >.>;; it's a known fact here. I just used D-KLAC as an example and you simply took off from there. I only SAID that even if I knew D-KLAC was from other forums I visited, I didn't say anything personal about his past or whatever as to have others make fun of him in other forums because what goes on in other forums, people wouldn't probably need to know, and besides, it's not nice. D-KLAC really is like this in other forums, in other guises, he simply is a pure GS fan at heart and he would have it no other way. And so we leave him at that. Even moderators don't faze him.

I read his posts myself too and not all his posts are useless. Even though he's not with us at this moment, you still continue on your backslabbing him. Have you noticed other people did not complain much about him now? Because we are all silent and reading your posts. Don't you even notice it? YOU are the only one currently enjoying your bad talking at him.

>.>;;

I am not bad talking him. Stop putting words into my mouth. He simply is D-KLAC.

I read that myself but I'm not their member. Even though the information may not be reliable, D-Klac is not lying about his source but you chose to attack him continuously.

I think a lot of people were asking questions about official state of the movie, and D-KLAC was going on that he has a secret source. I could've redirected them to you, because you are one of the few people I know on the Gundam board who could be trusted with such information, along with brightman, Tak among others, and the ever reliable Gunota, and now for me 4chan's /m/. But as we all know crunchyroll is kinda like youtube, and wiki: fans can share their thoughts as easily as they could, some which are probably true, and some which aren't. Information from wiki and some other fan-modifiable website could be put there with some bias, or some made-up information. He was not lying about the source, but crunchyroll isn't exactly like Gunota when it came to such big news like that. crunchyroll could be a 50/50 hit or miss, with Gunota, at least you are certain that it is true. This is like tantamount to saying that all people should believe what is written on wiki, like they would any scholarly article or journal.

Yeah, right, ignored him but then you added "it's hazardous to your health" after you said "ignore him". You are still attacking him.

>.>;;

Too bad you weren't here at the height of the D-KLAC furor in the Trilogy thread. Then maybe you could understand. And of course you must realize that it was a jest on my part. See the at the end. It's up for the people to decide whether they should ignore D-KLAC or play along to his posts. The other people's reactions on that thread could best sum up the D-KLAC equation nicely if they choose to notice him. And this is VERY off topic already.

Tell you the truth. Not everything he said is irrelevant but you simply disregard that.

>.>;;

I think he was part of Seed Forum too. Not really sure. It wasn't irrelevant to the topic at hand, but he overdoes it, to the point wherein you have to ask him himself if he was just joking with his statement. Or he was just doing it for the lulz to be had.

It's ok. Just don't be too mean to him.

I'm not being mean to D-KLAC.

I said he did not do anythings obvious bad to others. Read my previous post.

So we all agree on that. It was probably because of the choice of words you said in the removed post that you did. >.>;; I know you mean well by that, but you could say it in a nicer way.

It's inside his first post. See text in bold in below.

That is, he saw a problem with Asucaga fans thinking Athrun and Cagalli together when he's now wearing a Orb Military uniform. That's the bashing statement. You was the one considering it's a no big deal opinion. It's indeed a bashing statement to Asucaga fans and you somewhat advocated him.

...to which he proceeds with why he thinks so, and I think, is VERY important. Meyrin was in Onogoro, and Meyrin was in PLANTs with Athrun, which, by all accounts, it should have CAGALLI with ATHRUN in those CRUCIAL SCENES. What the heck is Meyrin there for? Personal torment for AsuCaga fans? Aside from that, there's no reason WHY Meyrin should be there. Cagalli has all rights to be in those crucial scenes. Why is it bashing?

Well, it depends on what your motive at this moment whether you just want attention from people and now you have mine.

Nope, this wasn't intended to blow up this way, and you dragging a moderator in here too. >.>;; so let's just stop this and go back to ordinary AsuCaga talk.

[boredandsleepy]

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper"

I am not denying the possibility of an actual reunion for AsuCaga, but I am also open to the fact that Athrun and Meyrin could meet again. I am not forcing you to agree that AsuMey is the only intended pairing, it's a possible pairing, after what Cagalli did in SE IV and in the run of the series when she entrusts Athrun to Meyrin.

SE IV's ending as well as Seed 120%, Morosawa, and GSD The Edge did not hint and consider Athrun and Meyrin possible, not to mention there's NONE showing Athrun's romantic feelings towards Meyrin on any shows (TV, Final Plus and SE) we saw. However, I'm not forcing you either to believe in me so you can keep your opinion. Although I'm thinking our case should be closed now, look at what you have below. Are you sure you are willing to stop the debate and move on?!

Anyway, I'm now going through your responses below since you're the one who started it.

Spoiler:

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

Now you seem to be the one with the wild imagination, not me. I ignore D-KLAC, as most of the other people on this board would probably do as well, unless he goes into his fanatic outbursts and the fun begins anew with the moderator cuttings and trimmings with posts. How did ignoring suddenly become attacking?

Everyone here knows I go by fact, not imagination, so your accusation about me having wild imagination is fraud. More likely, you're saying that so people won't think you are the only one deluding. As for D-Klac, haven't you forgotten every post you responded to me including back talking him?! This is your recent post against D-klac on 6/24/2008 after he showed the link to Crunchyroll to prove he's not lying. Besides every post you responded to me, this is where I also found you attacking him.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper
Lesson learned: never take D-KLAC too seriously. If you do, it would be extremely hazardous to your health.

Yes, you can say "ignore him" but saying "it would be extremely hazardous to your health" is insulting to him; especially, he had just proved he's not lying. That is just one instance. The problem you have is why you are still talking bad about him in your response to me? Can you check your own posts in this thread? Will you think he and others will never read our posts at all?

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

First of all, why did you remove that statement? The statement could've been avoided the first time you used that as a welcome message to deathknelld, and all this awkwardness should have been avoided at all costs. I didn't actually see that you removed that statement because I was busy trying up new ways to defend myself from not being overly imaginative with worse ideas than fanfic writers that you compare me with. If something like an allusion or even a hint that the Meyrin Athrun interaction didn't happen, I wouldn't try defending it.

The statement was gone so why you kept bringing it up?! You spent number of posts attacking my warning statement to him. Now, I removed it and then you are attacking me because of the new reason - it was removed. How does it sound to you? Why you are such a troublemaker?!

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

And so you don't have anything against deathknelld, well and good. But the phrasing was just a bit insulting and a bit personal - nobody would care about what his exploits are in other forums, and they didn't need to know.

It's you the one who cared here, don't you know? To be fair with other people, if his post is bashing people, I may respond and address it to him directly, regardless I have removed the warning statement.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

But they DID have minimal interaction in a couple of eps. You are completely ignoring that small interaction, and the meaning that SE IV and the entrusting and Final Plus episode because by all accounts as I have stated time and again, CAGALLI SHOULD BE THERE and NOT MEYRIN.

Athrun also has moments with Mirillia so will I count that too? Regardless # of small interactions/incidents between Athrun and Meyrin, we saw NONE from Athrun showing/implying his romantic feelings towards Meyrin. SE IV ending clearly stated they are on separate road by judging their uniforms. If you continue to use that Meyrin's walking behind Athrun as your own hint, Seed 120% and Morosawa had already confirmed it's not what you thought, even though Cagalli was not in that scene. And yes, Cagalli, asked Meyrin to take care of Athrun because she could not go with them. But don't forget SE IV added the new scene showing her keeping the ring to her case that told us she DID NOT RETURN it back to Athrun. So all these said there's hope for Athrun and Cagalli. You are the one persistent saying there's hope for Athrun and Meyrin; your continuing on the debate with me because I don't accept your opinion; your saying not to force me to take your opinion and then later continuing on debating with me. I wonder how long do you plan to continue on like that? You know I'm also a busy person and I don't have much time to entertain you like that.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

So what if she DOES appear in the movie? Then all your claims that Meyrin is not to be included in the movie also becomes totally considered as not the complete truth as well? I said that I don't care if she's not or if she is in the movie, I'm stating that I'm open to that possibility, and it seems that you do not like that. OK.

You did say you was open to that and then later on continuing on the debate with me because I don't take your believe about the possibility of them. Yes, I DO NOT LIKE you forcing people to accept what you believed and you are so fake to say you are not that person. Can you see all your posts to me? Did you even consider a moment to stop and move on?

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

That is why I said "probably" this, after completely forgetting what I wrote, and how you thanked me for using the word probably too. Oh boy

It's because I was trying not to be mean to you in first sentence. Later, I clarified it with you with more details. See below. Are you telling me all you read was just my first sentence? Did I say anywhere I had personal issue with him? NONE.

I'm glad you used "probably" in your accusation. So to answer your question, "Deathknelld" and myself didn't have any personal issue, like what you imagined to be, (We don't even know each other's name!!! LOL) but we did have debate for several topics. People who read our posts in Seed Forum was clear about what's happening. But hearing you thinking "that way" really made me laugh and made me wonder if that's what's been in your mind. Anyway, are you clear now? As a matter of fact, I had been waiting for his response in Seed Forum and found he just joined this forum all of sudden.

Then you gave me your response:

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper
Could you ascertain or be 100% sure of the fact that he joined this forum to get some lulz or to annoy you or whatever you have in mind?

That's the time I noticed you continued on the same imagination. Whether your motive is just to irritate me is unacceptable; especially, it also included 3rd person, Deathknelld. Therefore, you received my warning in my last post.

Originally Posted by Boredandsleepy
After reading your response, I must warn you about your hallucination about me and Deathknelld. I have stated there's no personal issue between me and him and we don't even know each other name at all. You continued on your very sick mind to imagine something about us. Yes, I have debate with him over certain topics in Seed Forum and that's all. If you continue on this again, I will have to take it up to the moderator.

Even though you received my warning, you still continued on...

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

The word is probably again, PROBABLY. I did not say that bad blood exists between the both of you, but the welcoming post to him was that harsh. If it were addressed to you, how would you feel? >.>;; I said probably, because I didn't know. However, this is something that shocked me.

Did my warning message above have implied "probably" to you? Are you now crystal clear? Eidolon Sniper, let me tell you one thing. When people join this forum, it does not mean they would have that sort of motive that you imagined. Understand!!

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

And disregarding opinions against what you hold as the infallible truth is also upsetting for AsuCaga fans like me

Do you understand what you just said? That is, when I disregard the opinion you hold against my infallible truth, it's upsetting you as a Asucaga fan. Isn't that very clear to say you are upset about being objected by me? I don't expect everyone believing in my opinion but I also don't accept those I don't bellieve. Clear with you?

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

The word is possible, probable, they could meet. And why wouldn't they meet? Meyrin wasn't just some random bridge bunny on the Minerva, wasn't she? And she served even for a while in the Eternal. But who knows

Keep that to yourself then and we will wait for the movie to find out.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

Saying it like "I have heard better thoughts than yours regarding the AsuMey pairing and why I think it wouldn't work" or saying it like "why do you think it could work" is a lot better than outright trying to brand my ideas as a conveniently hidden "all your words are lies, you have a great imagination" and saying that "it could never happen and you are just imagining things". I know about the competitive authors thing, and I have heard a lot of bad things other people say about fanfic writers, and it saddens me because it's like they're lumping fanfic writers into a stereotype. And the ironic thing is they brand Destiny as a fanfic gone bad as well. Got disheartened by it, but what the heck, why would I care? If they want a fanfic that so appeals to their fan senses, then they should go make their own and not lambast other people for trying to write a fanfic that way. That was why it was called as "fan fiction".

First, did I say fanfic authors for Asumey in my post? I said there's all kind of fanfictions and theirs is better than your imagination. For example, there are number of good Asucaga fanfictions, their imagination is much better than yours.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

Take that as you will. And I had a comment like that in my Yami No Matsuei fanfic, the anonymous poster asked why I made up a lot of words that don't make sense, equivalent to disregarding my fanfic as an outright "blasphemy" for the YnM fandom and saying that all my thoughts in that fanfic were lies. Got disheartened by it, but what the heck, why would I care? If they want a fanfic that so appeals to their fan senses, then they should go make their own and not lambast other people for trying to write a fanfic that way. That was why it was called as "fan fiction".

Well, I did not know about that and I'm sorry to hear that too. I will drop by to find out.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

You asked for proof, and I did try to provide it, but were completely steamrolled over by indications that you clearly see as not a possible AsuMey pairing, and because it was used in conjunction with AsuMey as well

You never have proof for AsuMey. You was only listing those hints that you believed. Your hints are always these: Meyrin walking behind Athrun scene, Cagalli entrusting Meyrin and Cagalli was not there at memorial. What else? If you scroll up a bit, I already replied back to your want-to-be-believed hints.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

This statement alone could hurt your stance in defending yourself against yourself.

As a matter of fact, I have already admitted my overreaction in previous post and removed the warning statement for a while. See my post below. No matter how hard you tried to use my deleted warning statement for your defense, it did not change the fact that you had been publicly bad-talking/gossiping D-Klac within your previous responses to me in this thread.

Originally Posted by Boredandsleepy
So you considered my warning as attacking him and your attacking D-Klac is no big deal? I respected this forum as meeting place for all those who like animes in general; yes, I have been overreacted of worrying him creating trouble to this forum again. Ever since reading his second response, I'm planning to take out that warning statement soon. Ok, I've just removed that warning statement. Now, what else from you?

That statement was resurrected because you wanted to. In other words, those who did not read that statement before is now knowing what that was and know where to check what's going on. I honestly don't see any issue with my warning but it's raising people's curiosity. Now, YOU, not me, the one who gave people's direction to look up about him. Are your intention now considered nice and friendly to Deathknelld?

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

In all my times I've been to this forum, I have never encountered a post like this, even if it came to serious heated debates. At least we still try to respect each other even if we don't agree on either ends of the fandom spectrum. And of course, I was foolish enough to just take it as a single post only thing, never to be attacked or questioned (my reply to that).

The most funny thing is that it was YOU so far the one who responded to my warning statement. If my warning statement was bad, why didn't the moderator do something about it? Don't you even try to find out? Can you even think they might have already researched about it but did not want to make further comments? Let me tell you this. You have a serious problem; that is, you always hold GRUDGE against those who disagreed with you such as myself. Therefore, you will seek for your revenge or attack whenever it's available. I have the similar debate with other people a long time ago. At that time, I received objection as well but a while later I did not go back to continue fighting to get them agreed with me. I simply moved on and waited for more news. Unlike you, I don't hold grudge against them or go behind their back to backstab. Can you do the same?

[Eidolon Sniper]

Spoiler for boredandsleepy:

Originally Posted by boredandsleepy

SE IV's ending as well as Seed 120%, Morosawa, and GSD The Edge did not hint and consider Athrun and Meyrin possible, not to mention there's NONE showing Athrun's romantic feelings towards Meyrin on any shows (TV, Final Plus and SE) we saw. However, I'm not forcing you either to believe in me so you can keep your opinion. Although I'm thinking our case should be closed now, look at what you have below. Are you sure you are willing to stop the debate and move on?!

It's because Edge is, as you say, Athrun and Cagalli centric. Also, romantic? He was concerned about Meyrin. He was concerned about Meer. He wasn't concerned about Lunamaria. And something must be different with Meyrin, because Cagalli didn't entrust Athrun for a while to ANY other. If it was just being on the safe side, then she must entrust Athrun to either Kira or Lacus, cause it makes a LOT of sense, because she knows very well that Kira and Lacus are more than enough to keep an eye on Athrun, and because they know their background. Why Meyrin? Meyrin doesn't know Athrun well enough like Kira and Lacus. Meyrin has no sense in being there other than the girl whom Athrun saved, in comparison to the girl whom Athrun almost saved, who was Meer. We all know how nice Athrun really is.

Meyrin was also the one who looked after Athrun when Cagalli was being very busy, so maybe Cagalli trusts her enough to put Athrun under her care for a while. Did I say anything to the effect that she gave Athrun away to Meyrin forever, or for the rest of her working life as Orb's chief representative? Because if it were the case, Cagalli wouldn't be shown to still keep her ring and hide it, she could've just sold it to a pawnshop, or even returned the ring to Athrun if she thinks that she's not the girl for Athrun or something. Entrusting Athrun in this case might mean that Cagalli sees Meyrin well enough to take care of Athrun, and in light of her work, wherein she has to do a lot after the war, she possibly might not have enough time for Athrun and they could be estranged; at least she was very open that it could happen. But she still has hope or is open to the possibility that everything between them is not yet over. Stop being so obtuse about that. Cagalli is more open minded than you are. You seem to have a problem being open with Meyrin and Athrun and how Cagalli views Meyrin. Of course, this is just the way I see why Cagalli would entrust Athrun to Meyrin, probably she has another reason for doing so.

Everyone here knows I go by fact, not imagination, so your accusation about me having wild imagination is fraud. More likely, you're saying that so people won't think you are the only one deluding. As for D-Klac, haven't you forgotten every post you responded to me including back talking him?! This is your recent post against D-klac on 6/24/2008 after he showed the link to Crunchyroll to prove he's not lying. Besides every post you responded to me, this is where I also found you attacking him.

Have you not read about what I said about crunchyroll? He didn't lie about the source he has, but crunchyroll has about as much the same credibility as wiki in some sense. If he were to quote your myriads of sources, of which you seem to have a lot, then OK, because it came from credible sources. Fans are of course very much excited about the movie, then if he were to pull a source from a not so credible source, it would mislead people into believing something like that is to happen (provided that the source was not that 100% accurate). Not a lot of people would actually take you seriously if you do say that your sources are from fan-modifiable websites, because the fans who would modify the website could either be biased, telling the truth, or telling lies. For the real truth, then it's up to the official websites or official notes in magazines that come straight from the creators themselves, because journalism could also just work to an extent wherein it could skip several thoughts about the article and make it look palatable to their readers. There's also some bias in journalism, or some sensationalism, or whatever. The only thing we could really be sure about is that we get our facts straight from the creators themselves, but as we can see, Fukuda doesn't have a very good track record in saying sense and stating real honest answers. He even has no idea what is going on in his own Gundam series, he even forgot that Mwu was killed off by a positron beam cannon, strong enough to destroy fortresses.

For further examples, remember the furor caused by the SEED Eternity rumor? It was lifted from a fan weblog or some site, and it had a lot of fans intrigued and excited for a while, before it was dispelled as only a rumor, and it has no truth to it. Of course, the SEED Eternity rumor also came with the AsuCaga fanart that you also got angry about when it was 'shopped to look like Meyrin. I am beginning to think that you do not just dislike Meyrin... If you are very upset enough at the fandom, why don't you also lambast Japanese fanartists belonging to an AsuMey webring while at it? I saw an AsuFrey Japanese webring, and even if it was LOL, I wasn't really upset.

Yes, you can say "ignore him" but saying "it would be extremely hazardous to your health" is insulting to him; especially, he had just proved he's not lying. That is just one instance. The problem you have is why you are still talking bad about him in your response to me? Can you check your own posts in this thread? Will you think he and others will never read our posts at all?

His source is not credible as Gunota, like what you can dig up, or what other people can dig up for that matter. You now mean to say that crunchyroll is a reliable source of information? Did I even say outright that he was lying about his source? Now you've got a lot of things confused. @.@;;

The statement was gone so why you kept bringing it up?! You spent number of posts attacking my warning statement to him. Now, I removed it and then you are attacking me because of the new reason - it was removed. How does it sound to you? Why you are such a troublemaker?!

No I'm not. I'm curious why you removed it, when it can be avoided upon first impact. >.>;; And as I said, it's already finished, what's done is done. Also, while you're at it, how come you haven't let off the D-KLAC example that I only stated and now you attribute a lot of things about D-KLAC that I never even said? It all started with me saying that even if I knew D-KLAC on other forums, whatever personal things I know about him,I won't talk about in other forums where I meet him. His being an infinite SEED fanatic in other forums =/= personal stuff, because he really is.

It's you the one who cared here, don't you know? To be fair with other people, if his post is bashing people, I may respond and address it to him directly, regardless I have removed the warning statement.

Thank you for saying that I did care about how deathknelld was treated in your removed post.

Athrun also has moments with Mirillia so will I count that too? Regardless # of small interactions/incidents between Athrun and Meyrin, we saw NONE from Athrun showing/implying his romantic feelings towards Meyrin. SE IV ending clearly stated they are on separate road by judging their uniforms. If you continue to use that Meyrin's walking behind Athrun as your own hint, Seed 120% and Morosawa had already confirmed it's not what you thought, even though Cagalli was not in that scene. And yes, Cagalli, asked Meyrin to take care of Athrun because she could not go with them. But don't forget SE IV added the new scene showing her keeping the ring to her case that told us she DID NOT RETURN it back to Athrun. So all these said there's hope for Athrun and Cagalli. You are the one persistent saying there's hope for Athrun and Meyrin; your continuing on the debate with me because I don't accept your opinion; your saying not to force me to take your opinion and then later continuing on debating with me. I wonder how long do you plan to continue on like that? You know I'm also a busy person and I don't have much time to entertain you like that.

And the point is, as countless posts I have already stated time and again, MEYRIN does NOT deserve to be THERE in those SCENES. It's Cagalli. It ONLY has to be CAGALLI. It is significant to a degree because Cagalli was the one who also worked toward the peace after that war, didn't she? Lacus should be busy doing her job or should be busy with arranging things in ZAFT cause she is the new mediator, but she still found enough time to be with Kira in the memorial. Lunamaria probably also should be very busy with her new job, she isn't a hotshot officer or something like Athrun and Kira were to be excused for some random trip to the memorial, but she was there. And Meyrin, she also has her own duties to think of, she is very busy like her sister, and she WAS on the memorial with Athrun. Cagalli is like Lacus who should be very busy, but since it was a closure on the last war again, for all that makes sense Cagalli should be there, and it makes sense cause Cagalli is from Orb. Why did Meyrin make a trip to Orb from the PLANTs just to be with Athrun, ditto Lunamaria? It was also a great opportunity for Shinn to apologize to Cagalli, if it were such. But Cagalli wasn't there. ditto with the Kira and Lacus embrace in the ED credits. I am all for the AsuCaga romance, I have no qualms with the romance that they have, but Cagalli was missing in THOSE very important crucial scenes.

You did say you was open to that and then later on continuing on the debate with me because I don't take your believe about the possiility of them. Yes, I DO NOT LIKE you forcing people to accept what you believed and you are so fake to say you are not that person. Can you see all your posts to me? Did you even consider a moment to stop and move on?

You're the one who can't seem to move on and accept that possibility, and you always keep saying Morosawa this and that. I was only pointing to the evidence in the anime, because clearly, Morosawa also bungled AsuCaga in more ways than one, and I am upset about that, and because what she initially wrote into the series did not make sense and only brought Meyrin into the equation. Can you say that she handled AsuCaga OK in the series? Where did all the possibility of AsuMey start? Unless you also forgot or refused to see the scenes wherein Meyrin was taking care of Athrun, Meyrin who saved Athrun's life, Athrun who saved Meyrin, Meyrin having a crush on Athrun (well, on her side anyway), Cagalli entrusting Athrun to Meyrin, and the removal of her ring in SE IV... the problem is, Cagalli could've just easily gone with Athrun in those crucial scenes Ive mentioned a lot of times already, plus Morosawa could've retconned the memorial scene with Cagalli in there, not Meyrin, to show that the possibility of an AsuMey is totally shot down. She could've just worn her ring as well, instead of removing it for safekeeping, it MEANS a lot because she treasures Athrun as much as the proof of his love he gave her (which runs into another plothole because as other meticulous AsuCaga fans observe that the ring doesn't HAVE Cagalli's birthstone on it, it would be more special and significant if the ring had Cagalli or Athrun's birthstone, which is either an emerald [Cagalli = May] or an opal [Athrun = October], or a stone like from the necklace she gave to Athrun), and is still thinking of Athrun or remind Athrun that she is still OK with them being a couple. But Orb is more important than Athrun at the moment, and so she stores it away for the moment. And Cagalli was being mature with her decision, it means that she has allowed her relationship with Athrun to play second fiddle to her current job right now, as Orb needs her more.

It's because I was trying not to be mean to you in first sentence. Later, I clarified it with you with more details. See below. Are you telling me all you read was just my first sentence? Did I say anywhere I had personal issue with him? NONE.

And probably I should also warn you about going on saying things like I am backstabbing, being mean to, or bad mouthing D-KLAC as well. I clearly am not doing any of those things. In any case, you still haven't even explained why you wrote those things in the removed post that you did. But I guess it's all just a wrong choice of words, when you clearly didn't mean anything by them. So I will stop right now. >.>;;

That's the time I noticed you continued on the same imagination. Whether your motive is just to irritate me is unacceptable; especially, it also included 3rd person, Deathknelld. Therefore, you received my warning in my last post.

....@.@;; I do not understand. So yes, I will stop right now.

]Even though you received my warning, you still continued on...

Did my warning message above have implied "probably" to you? Are you now crystal clear? Eidolon Sniper, let me tell you one thing. When people join this forum, it does not mean they would have that sort of motive that you imagined. Understand!!

...wait what? @.@;; Of course they don't. Now where did you get this? Or are you confusing my posts again? @.@;; For whatever reason you put that "warning" for deathknelld, that's what I thought at first that you are singling him out for all the things that you said in that post. So before you confuse my posts up again for some other reason, I would like to know the reason why you wrote those things in the first place. Do not attempt to accuse me again of using deathknelld, because in our argument about the matter, you haven't even tried explaining yourself, and so therefore you lash out at my "using" deathknelld and "backstabbing/badmouthing/being mean to" D-KLAC as an excuse. So that misunderstanding and confusion in posts would not occur again.

Do you understand what you just said? That is, when I disregard the opinion you hold against my infallible truth, it's upsetting you as a Asucaga fan. Isn't that very clear to say you are upset about being objected by me? I don't expect everyone believing in my opinion but I also don't accept those I don't bellieve. Clear with you?

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I think you do more than dislike Meyrin as a character and as a possible outcome for Athrun. But...YOUR infallible truth? @.@;; I think it's close to the truth, but saying it's infallible? Are you...serious? I don't care for either end (Cagalli or Meyrin end), but...my mind is in a mess...I don't know what to think anymore...

First, did I say fanfic authors for Asumey in my post? I said there's all kind of fanfictions and theirs is better than your imagination. For example, there are number of good Asucaga fanfictions, their imagination is much better than yours.

So you say my imagination is worse than a good AsuCaga fanfic author? equating my creativity to a fanfic author with a better imagination than mine is a bit...insulting you know. So I'll let this pass. You don't know me, so stop about saying things like that. >.>;; And I wasn't even starting with AsuMey fanfic authors. Way to confuse posts up again...or...never mind. @.@;;

You never have proof for AsuMey. You was only listing those hints that you believed. Your hints are always these: Meyrin walking behind Athrun scene, Cagalli entrusting Meyrin and Cagalli was not there at memorial. What else? If you scroll up a bit, I already replied back to your want-to-be-believed hints.

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After hearing you state something about your infallible truth, then I don't want to repeat myself again to you. You're completely ignoring the simple interactions to which a lot of other AsuCaga fans interpret as there actually is a possibility of a Meyrin in the equation, even the more meticulous ones when it came to interpreting the absence of Cagalli/Athrun's birthstone in the ring he gave her. And besides, if I try to say something about that again, I am sure that you won't hear it anyway, because it's YOUR infallible truth I'm going against. So believe all you want,and I am going to believe in what I think is my reasoning for an AsuMey. This concludes this. >.>;;

As a matter of fact, I have already admitted my overreaction in previous post and removed the warning statement for a while. See my post below. No matter how hard you tried to use my deleted warning statement for your defense, it did not change the fact that you had been publicly bad-talking/gossiping D-Klac within your previous responses to me in this thread

Stop. Just stop. I am not doing anything bad to D-KLAC and if you think you are not doing anything bad to deathknelld, then try explaining yourself. You're the one who seems to be using deathkenlld and D-KLAC as an excuse, not me, for you to defend yourself. You didn't explain the things you just said. Also, you're just...contradicting yourself, you say nice things then you completely retcon them in order to argue something about a completely irrelevant matter, or use them to further your stance that I am doing something bad to D-KLAC. @.@;; So you're also already confusing me. I'd rather that this stop now, because you further confuse yourself even further.

That statement was resurrected because you wanted to. In other words, those who did not read that statement before is now knowing what that was and know where to check what's going on. I honestly don't see any issue with my warning but it's raising people's curiosity. Now, YOU, not me, the one who gave people's direction to look up about him. Are your intention now considered nice and friendly to Deathknelld?

You've completely put yourself in that situation. If you didn't remove that post, at least, when people would ask you what the heck's going on, you can explain yourself to them. But the fact is you haven't explained yourself, you completely jumped on the defensive and then put D-KLAC into the equation, when I only used that as a comparison, and you took off from there and started accusing me of being mean to him. Sure, you were meaning OK when you stated that warning, but it brushes other people off the bad way because...wrong choice of words. X____X Your intention was well meaning, but you stated it in a way that was and could be misunderstood. You were the one who wrote those things in the warning, not me, so why am I the one who led other people to look things on deathknelld? @.@;; are you saying that I imagined all those things too? What?? @.@;; Way to confuse things again, and my head's spinning. @.@;;

The most funny thing is that it was YOU so far the one who responded to my warning statement. If my warning statement was bad, why didn't the moderator do something about it? Don't you even try to find out? Can you even think they might have already researched about it but did not want to make further comments?

>.>;;

Moderators also have their own lives than just continuously monitoring the boards, as we all do too. The furor that happened in the Trilogy thread was going on without their knowledge until someone told the admin what was already going on. And it was a massive trimming of posts, 30 something posts were trimmed out of it. And monir gave a warning that it should return to what it was and not try to do anything that could lead the people involved into getting a flame war/hate war against D-KLAC again, or else get the thread risked in getting locked down. I haven't been much on the boards nowadays because of my own work as a freelance writer, but something happened again probably because xris now managed to get in the thread and issued new warnings - he is a moderator and one of the site staff for animesuki. I don't know what happened, but D-KLAC's reputation (if it is any indication) became lower again than the last rep that he had that I knew. Maybe he became an overly eager fanatic again, that's why he got lowered rep, or maybe something happened that involved him, or maybe he was being himself (GS super fan) on other threads that warranted such neg repping, I have no idea.

We haven't been probably doing anything bad so far, or the moderators haven't been also aware of what's going on this thread, or maybe they're lurking without our knowledge and wait until somebody starts doing very bad things that would warrant their actions on this thread. Or maybe, as you think, they're already learned something about deathknelld cause they did their own research on the matter. Or maybe because they don't find this topic interesting, as there is already a lot of concern on other boards that warrant their full attention, and have their own shares of trolling or flaming that's even worse than what this board has. Whatever the reason, if this thread became just 20 pages of irrelevant discussion to the AsuCaga hope for their romance, or even 5 pages of it depending on their tolerance meter, this thread could likely be locked down and we get burned for it until the movie starts and discussions start pouring in. If this keeps up, ==>then I will have to ask a moderator to lock it down, if you want to<==. This clearly isn't going anywhere.

Let me tell you this. You have a serious problem; that is, you always hold GRUDGE against those who disagreed with you such as myself. Therefore, you will seek for your revenge or attack whenever it's available. I have the similar debate with other people a long time ago. At that time, I received objection as well but a while later I did not go back to continue fighting to get them agreed with me. I simply moved on and waited for more news. Unlike you, I don't hold grudge against them or go behind their back to backstab. Can you do the same?

I hold a grudge against you? Why would I do that? @.@;; You know, if I did, then this wouldn't be a civilized discussion we're having, I'll flame you or troll you if you're just some person that I have a deep grudge on, any single instance that I can get back at you. Can you state several posts wherein I purposefully flamed or trolled you or insulted you? The times you seem to insult me, I guess it's just a wrong choice of words again, and you didn't really mean them, so I won't hold it against you. You say you wait around for further proof of the movie, but so far the last infallible proof that you have was from 2 years ago. Morosawa explains that she has already written the script and she is currently ill

Spoiler:

(/m/ people speculate that she has the big "C", but I don't believe them unless they have further evidence)

, but if it was intentional or for lulz purposes she got Fukuda'd, and we learn from Fukuda that there's no CE project that he could foresee at the moment, and he admits that Morosawa was the one who singlehandedly wrote all things in the CE for her own liking, and we all know Fukuda is not a person to be trusted.

But you seem to be the one who cannot accept the possibility of AsuMey, and you seem to be the only person around me here who you are arguing with, because I can't seem to accept your infallible truth. Well you know what? A lot of things can happen, and there's the 30th anniversary of Gundam to look forward to, and a lot of people think it's the SEED movie, but for the SEED movie to happen, at least by now we have proof like tentative screenshots or news from Morosawa and Fukuda, the 30th anniversary is next year (unless I get corrected). It's already taken 2 whole years for Morosawa to prepare the script, and get into talks with Hirai and Fukuda (or maybe they're NOT the ones who would be involved in the movie), and we should have news of it by now. UC fans want the 30th anniversary to be an animated Gundam Unicorn, or maybe we will get confirmation for the movie after Gundam 00 finishes its 2nd season that would start in October and ends next year. But something big for the CE fans should warrant at least a little bit for now, with releases for new figurines of Lacus, Lunamaria and Stellar, and I think a CE MG or whatever the figure release is speculated on.

You keep repeating all the infallible evidence that you have from sources already 2 years old, 2006. The latest things we know about the movie is we have 1. Morosawa ill, but she claims that she has the script for the movie finished to that effect, and 2. Fukuda (intentionally or just for the lulz) denying the existence of anything SEED related for the time being. If Gundam 00 rolls around on its 2nd season in October, we could have real news about the movie by then, or if they are to unveil a UC series to cap off the 30th anniversary offering of Gundam, or maybe they would reveal a new line of Gundam figures like a platinum Gundam for all we care, we don't know what Sunrise intends to do as of the moment. Also, Morosawa claims that Athrun and Cagalli love each other, but wait what? She made an entire mess of their relationship in the entire run of Destiny, to which I am very upset about, because it seems like Morosawa doesn't like the idea of a Natural and Coordinator relationship and keeping Coordinators together and leaving Naturals to be on their own, either getting them killed for being potential love interests for the main leads and make way for Coordinator-to-Coordinator OTPs (Fllay and Stellar) or making them evil villains of all evil villains (Djibril, Azrael, EA). Athrun wasn't even shown to be worried about Cagalli very much in in the initial Destiny run (until it was horribly retconned; like, if they were to do something right the first time, why wait for the SEs to happen >.>;; ). If Morosawa couldn't just get over her rumored hatred or whatever it was on Cagalli's VA, then AsuMey is a possibility, since she likes them all Coordinators very much. >.>;; The mess was very evident as it even has a lot of AsuCaga fans kinda disheartened about what the hell happened; if it wasn't you know, there would probably be more people who would be arguing with me to deny the possibility of an AsuMey to happen, because they don't think so. Or maybe the reason why they don't is because they're also open to such a possibility like me. >.>;; I am not assuming, but at least as far as this thread goes, I am not a lone voice crying in the wilderness who keeps an open possibility for an AsuMey to happen, the AsuCaga fans who are open to AsuMey. Romantic relationship or probable meeting each other again or becoming very good friends, who knows? The point is, I am open to whatever relationship he will have with Meyrin. And you can't SEEM to accept it.

[boredandsleepy]

@Eidolon Sniper:
I don't want to be mean or rude to you but you have gone through number of pages for all your non-topic issue that we should put a stop now.

As for Athrun and Meyrin, one of your off-topic issue, I have already gone through the same discussion with you a year ago which is quite enough for now. All your hints such as "Cagalli entrusting Athrun to Meyrin" and "Cagalli was not in the memorial" were never considered as the possibility for Athrun and Meyrin according to GSD official files. No magazine ever bothered to ask Morosawa and she herself did not even bother to mention. So it's you who was guessing what Morosawa implied. As far as she and Seed 120% said that walking scene did not mean Athrun and Meyrin couple, it is all it counts. You're not Morosawa so your assumption/guess is not deemed to be valid or reliable. You can't expect Morosawa think the same way as yours. On the other hands, in GSD the Edge, your hints (Cagalli entrusting Athrun to Meyrin, Memorial scene, Meyrin's walking behind Athrun) were completely removed. I'm not stopping you from imagining their possibility but I have to at least tell the truth.

As for D-Klac, you have no rights to use this thread to even discuss and criticize him. All I heard was your one-sided opinion/criticism for him. This is not your Eidolon-Sniper-free-talk thread where you can use it for your own. No matter how bad you mentioned about him, he's still the member of this forum and can't be stereotyped because of what you said. He also had never done anything obviously bad to others. If you do respect each member, you should at least stop talking others any further in any topics. I didn't go through all your posts about D-Klac because I don't want to know more about him from you. You had spent too much time talking/gossiping about him in this thread.

As for Deathknelld, I welcome him as our member on this forum. Just like D-Klac, I didn't go through all your posts about him and I don't want to discuss any further with you about Deathknelld.

Finally, for Athrun and Cagalli, their information stayed the same; that is, Morosawa confirmed they still love each and there's hope for them. Unless there are more news, I suggest us to wait for the movie to find out. For now, I'm back to my routine job.

Everyone, have a nice day!

[Eidolon Sniper]

Well then, I don't care for either end. It just shows that you are closed minded for the possibility that they can meet each other, or for a possible relationship with Athrun, like friends or partners or whatever. Anyway, you are also NOT Morosawa. The only things that matter right now is the possibility that Fukuda Fukuda'd Morosawa, and unless we get news for the movie, then it's safe to assume that nothing really is definite at the moment. All the official files and Morosawa's admission about the AsuCaga story is well and good. Why, am I attacking the canon of AsuCaga? Could you just please read all my posts again? I don't know what got into you, attacking why I think AsuMey is a possibility. Just a possibility. Did I say that they would end up together and leave Cagalli out of the equation? Did I say that they will be in love with each other? Anything's possible, and you simply refuse to believe such things can happen in a span of 2 whole years. Or in the movie, or whatever. You just seemed to prove yourself that you have more than just mere dislike on Meyrin.

Also, kindly leave D-KLAC out of your accusations that I did something mean to him or to that effect. You are basing your accusations on just wild imaginations of yours. It's irrelevant to this discussion, I just merely used him as an example and then you imagine me doing a lot of mean things to him. You haven't proven that I did become very mean to him that could amount to personal attacks or whatever you imagine that I could be doing. And you're using him as an excuse to get back at me. Now I guess I should just leave this thread as it is, because it's no use talking to an AsuCaga fan who is angry and seems to more than dislike other Asu+someone possibilities.